Melky gon get paid

[HERPDERP]

What are you going to pay for a 30 year old outfielder that is all hit, and no defense (and not your prototypical power hitting OF)

 

http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2014/08/08/blue_jays_how_much_is_melky_cabrera_worth.html

 

I'd hope 12 m per year for 3 years, option for 4th year

[KingKat]

What are you going to pay for a 30 year old outfielder that is all hit, and no defense (and not your prototypical power hitting OF)

 

http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2014/08/08/blue_jays_how_much_is_melky_cabrera_worth.html

 

I'd hope 12 m per year for 3 years, option for 4th year

 

He's worked himself past "worthy of a q.o status" which is pretty awesome given how bleak things looked after that season and how unlikely that seemed going into this one. That's a big win for the Jays regardless of what happens going forward.

[Atothe]

I wonder if he'll take less money to stay here?

[HERPDERP]

I wouldn't. Not with the front office we have.

 

It'll be his last big contract he'll get, he's looking to get paid

[BigCecil]

What are you going to pay for a 30 year old outfielder that is all hit, and no defense (and not your prototypical power hitting OF)

 

http://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2014/08/08/blue_jays_how_much_is_melky_cabrera_worth.html

 

I'd hope 12 m per year for 3 years, option for 4th year

 

If we can get 3 with a 4th year option at that price Id be surprised.

 

I hate that kind of commitment to a player like him (aside from last night doesn't BB much - not that much pop and sub par D).

 

Respect his abilities and his toughness to play through a tumour last year and he has played 118 games this year. His OPS is .850+

 

I don't buy the arguments FAs play this way solely for a contract - otherwise Colby would be lighting it up. I think this is the real Melky, sans PEDS, since his KC debut.

 

I lean towards QO - just don't like the 3 year deal with him in OF and he isn't a AL East DH.

[o2cui2i]

I lean towards QO - just don't like the 3 year deal with him in OF and he isn't a AL East DH.

 

He is fine as a DH. hits for high avg, hits for power, has really high OBP. bang for the buck I think he will be a perfect candidate to extend. he can play at least 1 more year in LF and perhaps 2. give him a day off now and then to just DH and he can be a very good piece.

[Chappy]

I'd be shocked if Melky isn't back. Melky seems to love it here and losing him not only hurts our offence but it would likely be a PR nightmare. AA will let everyone else walk before he let's Melky go, at least I would hope that is the case.

[Chappy]

He is fine as a DH. hits for high avg, hits for power, has really high OBP. bang for the buck I think he will be a perfect candidate to extend. he can play at least 1 more year in LF and perhaps 2. give him a day off now and then to just DH and he can be a very good piece.

 

I mentioned this in another thread, but I'd probably let Lind walk this winter. Melky is probably the only guy I would make sure is back and he could still be the primary LF, but also getting time at DH. A Francisco/Reimold platoon at DH with Reimold also being the 4th OF would make a lot of sense and save this team a lot of money to address the infield, pen, and rotation.

[BigCecil]

He is fine as a DH. hits for high avg, hits for power, has really high OBP. bang for the buck I think he will be a perfect candidate to extend. he can play at least 1 more year in LF and perhaps 2. give him a day off now and then to just DH and he can be a very good piece.

 

Assuming this year production ish continues "he is fine as a DH". His OBP has really taken off the last while 2014 and it was .390 in SF - but I still would call him a pretty free swinger.

 

He had an OPS of .800 just in KC- then PED year in SF - then his 1st year (injuries) with us now so far a premo 2014.

 

I think 3 years is a big risk on continued production and I don't really see him as a solid DH in AL East (but that also depends on the production of your position players).

 

LF-DH morph sharing those roles isn't bad idea. We are buying high if we extend, but he has played his way to it.

Edited August 11, 2014 by BigCecil

[wilko]

I mentioned this in another thread, but I'd probably let Lind walk this winter. Melky is probably the only guy I would make sure is back and he could still be the primary LF, but also getting time at DH. A Francisco/Reimold platoon at DH with Reimold also being the 4th OF would make a lot of sense and save this team a lot of money to address the infield, pen, and rotation.

 

http://i.imgur.com/gUH3MJD.gif

[G-Snarls]

I'd be shocked if Melky isn't back. Melky seems to love it here and losing him not only hurts our offence but it would likely be a PR nightmare. AA will let everyone else walk before he let's Melky go, at least I would hope that is the case.

 

Yep. Keep him. He stabilizes the top of the lineup so much. He's just a hit producing machine. Can't lose him from the 2 hole.

 

3 years ~40M

[G-Snarls]

A 3 year deal seems like a decent compromise for both sides.

 

Lowers risk for Jays. Allows him probably one more good contract after before he has to go year to year.

[shortstop]

Worked out with Bautista in the off season - maybe they'll stick with it

[burlingtonbandit]

I mentioned this in another thread, but I'd probably let Lind walk this winter. Melky is probably the only guy I would make sure is back and he could still be the primary LF, but also getting time at DH. A Francisco/Reimold platoon at DH with Reimold also being the 4th OF would make a lot of sense and save this team a lot of money to address the infield, pen, and rotation.

 

I can not see Francisco coming back next year. Lind likely costs about 3-5 million more than Francisco and he is worth much more than that.

[Terminator]

I mentioned this in another thread, but I'd probably let Lind walk this winter. Melky is probably the only guy I would make sure is back and he could still be the primary LF, but also getting time at DH. A Francisco/Reimold platoon at DH with Reimold also being the 4th OF would make a lot of sense and save this team a lot of money to address the infield, pen, and rotation.

 

Not a bad plan at all although I'm not sure how that would mesh with having a backup CF.

[ace3113]

Either he accepts the qualifying offer or we get a comp pick in a very deep draft. I'm happy with either outcome.

 

#MapleUpton2015

[Chappy]

I can not see Francisco coming back next year. Lind likely costs about 3-5 million more than Francisco and he is worth much more than that.

 

A Francisco/Reimold DH platoon would provide an overall solid bat for the lineup. Mix in the occasional DH start for Melky and I like that a whole lot better than paying Lind twice as much as Francisco likely gets. Lind is a platoon player himself and considering the other more pressing needs for this team saving a few million on what Lind will make could go a long way.

[Chappy]

Not a bad plan at all although I'm not sure how that would mesh with having a backup CF.

 

It would mean no true backup CF. Considering our bench for 2015 already looks like it will feature Thole, Valencia, and Reimold/Francisco, that means only one more spot for a super utility type.

[burlingtonbandit]

A Francisco/Reimold DH platoon would provide an overall solid bat for the lineup. Mix in the occasional DH start for Melky and I like that a whole lot better than paying Lind twice as much as Francisco likely gets. Lind is a platoon player himself and considering the other more pressing needs for this team saving a few million on what Lind will make could go a long way.

 

I don't believe Francisco is much more than a 110-115 wRC+ bat vs RHP. Lind can probably give you 130wRC+ at least and he is better against LHP than Francisco. Francisco is going to cost at least 3 million in arb. as he has the numbers that give lots of money to arb. players. And Francisco is a guy who will strikeout a ton of times and give you a HR once in a while.

 

Not to mention the PR of letting lind go for francisco who most casual fans hate. There are much better ways to save money like trading Buehrle.

[G-Snarls]

Alex should see if RAJ has any interest in Buehrle in the off season. If he could get Borjos for Buerle + he'd be a perfect platoon with Gose. Even if you had to play them both the defence would make up for any lack of offence either might have against their week side platoon. Plus a Gose,Borjos,Pompay OF in 2016 is enticing.

 

RAJ won't be managing the Phillies this off season. And the new guy will be selling, not buying.

[G-Snarls]

You seem pretty certain about that. What should happen and what will happen are two entirely different things when discussing the Phillies front office.

 

This is probably true

 

I'm sure curious to see

[HERPDERP]

Yuk, I like the Bourjos suggestion, but that leaves AA dealing with Mo...

 

You reminded me of Scrabble, so I went to check his #'s

 

He's not even with St. Louis anymore! Still seems to be a solid reliever, but exclusively as a loogy

[HERPDERP]

ya, seems he got traded at the deadline last year

[Chappy]

I don't believe Francisco is much more than a 110-115 wRC+ bat vs RHP. Lind can probably give you 130wRC+ at least and he is better against LHP than Francisco. Francisco is going to cost at least 3 million in arb. as he has the numbers that give lots of money to arb. players. And Francisco is a guy who will strikeout a ton of times and give you a HR once in a while.

 

Not to mention the PR of letting lind go for francisco who most casual fans hate. There are much better ways to save money like trading Buehrle.

 

There would be little PR ramifications for losing a guy like Lind who is often injured and is only one half of a platoon. Allocating an extra 3 million or so to a guy like Lind over Francisco when both are not everyday players just doesn't make much sense especially when this team still needs to re sign Melky, find an everyday 2B or 3B, address the pen with at least a couple arms, and least but not last try to upgrade this rotation with a frontline SP.

[Chappy]

Who would play CF when Gose is out? And please don't say Bautista

 

They would need a super utility type or dump one of Valencia/Francisco with the other being the primary LHH DH bat. None of this is ideal, but there is no way this team can address bigger needs like 2B, locking up Melky, addressing the pen, and upgrading the rotation, without making a couple sacrifices. There is only so much money to go around and unless AA can dump Buehrle (which I doubt he will), were still going to have holes next season.

[burlingtonbandit]

There would be little PR ramifications for losing a guy like Lind who is often injured and is only one half of a platoon. Allocating an extra 3 million or so to a guy like Lind over Francisco when both are not everyday players just doesn't make much sense especially when this team still needs to re sign Melky, find an everyday 2B or 3B, address the pen with at least a couple arms, and least but not last try to upgrade this rotation with a frontline SP.

 

You could sell me on declining Lind's option and finding a replacement as a better move. Francisco likely is going to put up a 105 wRC+ over a full season and that even might be generous. Paying him 3-4 million$ for that would not be smart as I think that is his upside. He's terrible at 3rd base and is very inconsistent.

 

If you are going to keep one Lind is the better option in terms of value for money IMO.

[Chappy]

You could sell me on declining Lind's option and finding a replacement as a better move. Francisco likely is going to put up a 105 wRC+ over a full season and that even might be generous. Paying him 3-4 million$ for that would not be smart as I think that is his upside. He's terrible at 3rd base and is very inconsistent.

 

If you are going to keep one Lind is the better option in terms of value for money IMO.

 

See that's the problem, I don't think it's one or the other with AA. I think he will be very reluctant to let Francisco go because he is still under control and that's one of the reasons I'd let Lind go. That being the case keeping both on the roster is just horrid roster management. If it were me I'd get rid of both and save close to $10M, sign a good defensive OF, bring back Melky and keep Reimold in the mix. I would then push hard to address the 2B/3B situation and get that resolved. We can rotate guys through the DH spot which will help keep this team better rested. Reimold would be my primary, and we can give guys like Melky, Bautista, and EE DH time to keep them fresh every now and then.

 

Problem is I fully expect us to go into 2015 with a jumbled roster, but I hope I am wrong.

[glory]

No more platoon players!

 

Re-sign Melky, start Reimold at DH (he hits both sides equally well), and trade Lind for either an infielder or reliever. If you have to platoon anyone, have it be Gose and Pillar at center. That's it. I'm tired of teams bringing lefties in and the Jays hitters turning into mush.

[burlingtonbandit]

No more platoon players!

 

Re-sign Melky, start Reimold at DH (he hits both sides equally well), and trade Lind for either an infielder or reliever. If you have to platoon anyone, have it be Gose and Pillar at center. That's it. I'm tired of teams bringing lefties in and the Jays hitters turning into mush.

 

I think it would be a huge mistake to have Reimold heading into the season as your starting DH. There has been no evidence to suggest he can stay healthy for a full season let alone a half season. He strikes out around 25% of the time as well so he reminds me of a Colby Rasmus with less power. You're better off to keep Lind and know that your are at least going to get a very good bat in the lineup all be it only vs RHP.

[saskjayfan]

I would be trying to sign Melky to a 3 year deal with a option for the 4th year at a discount. They Jays gave him a shot post steroids. His Dominican brothers are here. He likes Toronto and the stuck with him through his injury issues last year. I think Melky would give the Jays a bit of a discount. I would also like the Jays to keep Lind. Most pitchers are right handed so he's more than a half time player and his contract is pretty reasonable for the production although I understand the injury concerns.

 

I would be moving Buehrle and Dickey in the offseason. They might have to eat some of the contract, but their are rich teams that will take salary on in the MLB. You save 25 mil on those 2 players. You let Morrow walk and that frees up 7 mil. You know Ricky Romero's 7 mil comes off the books the following year. You could let Rasmus walk and that saves 7 mil. That's 39 mil next year in savings and 46 the following season. That's more than enough to give Melky a raise from 8 to 12 mil per season. I know reyes and some other guys are getting bumps in pay, but you still have enough money especially if you back load a contract to go after a good veteran starter in the offseason.

 

You have still have a good offense and you have stro, hutch, sanchez, happ, Norris and go sign a legit starting pitcher or make the trade and take on salary to get that player.