AA considering Hendriks as 5th starter

[NorthOf49]

[jayswin11]

Janssen, Delabar, Cecil, McGowan, Loup does set up to be a pretty nice top 5 in the bullpen.

[jaysblue]

Liam Hendricks is from Perth, Western Australia! His minor league numbers have been solid, but I prefer Stroman given a chance first. The Jays have heavily mishandled Stroman up at the big league level. If they are just using him for mop up duty, then send him back down so he could start every 5th day.

[ElNik2013]

Liam Hendricks is from Perth, Western Australia! His minor league numbers have been solid, but I prefer Stroman given a chance first. The Jays have heavily mishandled Stroman up at the big league level. If they are just using him for mop up duty, then send him back down so he could start every 5th day.

 

 

When drafted, many said Stroman would be a reliever because of his height. The Jays correctly gave him a chance to start and he has thrived. They have said they view him a starting pitcher, yet they called him up after 5 starts at AAA and sunk him in the BP. Now they are saying they're leaning towards Hendriks to start next Saturday because he's fully stretched out. Well, had they not "de-stretched" Stroman, they wouldn't have this issue.

 

It's just another sign of incompetence, IMO.

[Bunchedundies]

When drafted, many said Stroman would be a reliever because of his height. The Jays correctly gave him a chance to start and he has thrived. They have said they view him a starting pitcher, yet they called him up after 5 starts at AAA and sunk him in the BP. Now they are saying they're leaning towards Hendriks to start next Saturday because he's fully stretched out. Well, had they not "de-stretched" Stroman, they wouldn't have this issue.

 

It's just another sign of incompetence, IMO.

 

Ugh I agree, this FO makes some mind boggling decisions.

[Terminator]

Do you really think that's it? That they just whoopsied, and had Stroman lined up for a possible rotation spot, but then, after bad timing (promotion to the MLB pen), they just couldn't put him in the rotation?

 

It's poppycock. Just smoke they're blowing in order to attempt to appease all parties affected (Stroman, fans, etc.).

 

They don't want him (Stroman) in the rotation right now. That's all.

 

Well then that's even worse. He's clearly a better pitcher than Hendricks.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

I really don't have a huge problem with giving Hendriks a shot. His numbers have been fantastic and he's still young. Why not?

 

Stroman gets his shot at some point this year. Give him a few more 2-3IP outings to get him acclimated.

[ElNik2013]

I really don't have a huge problem with giving Hendriks a shot. His numbers have been fantastic and he's still young. Why not?

 

Stroman gets his shot at some point this year. Give him a few more 2-3IP outings to get him acclimated.

 

 

We're all Ok with giving Hendriks a shot, the issue is with how they've handled Stroman. AA said "I don’t think there is a scenario where we would keep him [stroman] in a long role,", so basically, he's rotting in the pen.

 

As I said earlier, this is not a case where Stroman was brought up to get his feet wet out of the BP and keep him stretched out. AA clearly said they brought him up to bolster the struggling pen in the late innings.

[Bunchedundies]

Hope AA makes a trade for a starter, not easy but this team has a shot at seriously contending with a good arm added to the rotation. What would it take to get Jeff Samardzija?

[ElNik2013]

Hope AA makes a trade for a starter, not easy but this team has a shot at seriously contending with a good arm added to the rotation. What would it take to get Jeff Samardzija?

 

 

Sanchez, Stroman, Nay and Barreto.

[Bunchedundies]

Sanchez, Stroman, Nay and Barreto.

 

too much. f*** ervin santana and brandon morrow.

[JJippidy]

It can't be expressed enough how much of an embarrassment it is that we lost a year of control for Stroman just so he could be wasted in the bullpen for a few weeks and not starting every 5th day.

 

This is pissing me off.

 

Im not 100% on the new cba but they shouldnt have lost a year of control, he just becomes arb eligible a year earlier, he was off the 25 man long enough not to log his first 1 year of mlb service time until next season, no?

 

As far as him as a starter, I say run him out there, long term his height worries me, but I dont suspect his size will be an issue while his arm is young, might as well use his youth in the rotation rather than waste the talent in a relief role.

[Angrioter]

Morrow is helpful while in the DL, He should remain there all year.

[John_Havok]

Im not 100% on the new cba but they shouldnt have lost a year of control, he just becomes arb eligible a year earlier, he was off the 25 man long enough not to log his first 1 year of mlb service time until next season, no?

 

As far as him as a starter, I say run him out there, long term his height worries me, but I dont suspect his size will be an issue while his arm is young, might as well use his youth in the rotation rather than waste the talent in a relief role.

 

I think he just had a terminology mixup. They won't lose a year of control, but he burns his first option year and he could be Super 2 eligible with 4 arbitration years instead of three if he's up for the rest of this year and all of 2015 and 2016.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I have no problem giving credit where credit is due, but let's wait on proclaiming Francisco to be the real deal.

 

If used predominantly against RHP's Francisco should put up some real healthy numbers. He's been a decent platoon bat his entire time in the majors.

 

s*** happens, but let's face it, it shouldn't take a legitimate backup IF and a guy like Gomes to land a dime-a-dozen middle reliever.

 

It happens to every team. Heck the Red Sox traded journeyman RP Larry Andersen as a rental once upon a time, giving up future HOF Jeff Bagwell.

[Smedley Butler]

U fokin wot m8? I'll fokin rek u swear on me mum!

 

Rofl

 

I grew up in England, that was actually how the underclass males would talk. Good times.

[kgm1]

If used predominantly against RHP's Francisco should put up some real healthy numbers. He's been a decent platoon bat his entire time in the majors.

 

 

 

It happens to every team. Heck the Red Sox traded journeyman RP Larry Andersen as a rental once upon a time, giving up future HOF Jeff Bagwell.

 

 

Suddenly everyone knew Yan Gomes was going to turn out to be a front line catcher. LOL at all the hindsight on this board

[ElNik2013]

Suddenly everyone knew Yan Gomes was going to turn out to be a front line catcher. LOL at all the hindsight on this board

 

 

I imagine this is in reference to my posts about Gomes. Show me where I claimed I knew how he'd turn out and I'll give you a prize.

 

Fact is, I said it shouldn't have taken Aviles and Gomes to get a relief pitcher. Another issue is that it's fine for fans not to know how good a player is, especially when they haven't seen much of him. However, it's not fine for a team not to know what they have in a player. Does it happen? Yes it does to even well-run organizations, but the fact that it does happen around the league doesn't exempt any organization from criticism.

 

Anyway....too late now.

[ElNik2013]

If used predominantly against RHP's Francisco should put up some real healthy numbers. He's been a decent platoon bat his entire time in the majors.

 

 

Problem is, the Jays already have a platoon LH bat in Lind. Let's hope AA can trade Lind for a young 2B with some upside.

 

It happens to every team. Heck the Red Sox traded journeyman RP Larry Andersen as a rental once upon a time, giving up future HOF Jeff Bagwell.

 

 

I know it happens, but as I said, it's the organization's job to know what they have and there's nothing wrong with looking back at a FO's track record in trades and talent evaluations.

[ElNik2013]

We shouldn't have known, but they the FO should have known his defensive skill set.

 

 

I can't remember exactly, but I think he had some decent numbers in the minors that would look good for a catcher.

 

Regardless, like you say and I've been trying to point out, the FO gets paid to know these things.

 

All this started with me joking about how AA has a reliever fetish and absent this fetish, he would've likely not dealt for Rogers...but anyway.

[ElNik2013]

So what's the point of keeping the out-of-options guys like Redmond and Rogers if they're not gonna use them?

[Fearthedoc]

I would rather give Hendricks a shot than Redmond. Don't get me wrong, Redmond had some decent starts last year, but I don't see any upside to him. At least Hendricks has youth on his side.

[Maahfaace]

I can't remember exactly, but I think he had some decent numbers in the minors that would look good for a catcher.

 

Regardless, like you say and I've been trying to point out, the FO gets paid to know these things.

 

All this started with me joking about how AA has a reliever fetish and absent this fetish, he would've likely not dealt for Rogers...but anyway.

 

You can add Jessie Chavez to that list, he's been lights out in oak the last 2 years

[Caper]

Problem is, the Jays already have a platoon LH bat in Lind. Let's hope AA can trade Lind for a young 2B with some upside.

 

Yes... because there are so many teams willing to trade young upside 2nd basemen.... for Adam Lind.... Maybe we can ask them to throw in a #1 starter as well.

[GD]

Yes... because there are so many teams willing to trade young upside 2nd basemen.... for Adam Lind.... Maybe we can ask them to throw in a #1 starter as well.

 

I bet the Padres would deal Spangeberg for Lind. Their 1B situation is UGLY. Blanks is probably gone and Alonso a.) can play LF and b.) has a Goinsian wRC+.

 

Actually, independent of a Lind deal, I wonder what Gyorko would cost. Seems like whenever SD locks up a young guy, they get cursed.

 

Also, Angels would totally do a Taylor Lindsey for Adam Lind deal.

[flafson]

We need starters, not position players.

[ElNik2013]

You can add Jessie Chavez to that list, he's been lights out in oak the last 2 years

 

 

Doesn't really apply, IMO, because he wasn't a guy drafted by the Blue Jays like Gomes. I don't really hold Chavez against the Jays. If I'm not mistaken, he's been in several organizations. Plus, it's not like the A's picked him up and put him in their rotation, he's in their rotation because of injuries and kudos to him for taking advantage of the opportunity.

 

Gomes said that Cleveland called him after they acquired him and flat out told him they viewed him as a catcher. This tells you the Jays had no clue what they had in him.

 

Anyway, s*** happens, it's not the end of the world.

[The_DH]

We need starters, not position players.

 

We need both. Rasmus and Melky are free agents, others will age and break down, and we always need starters.

[flafson]

If the team will be competitive, Melky and Rasmus will want to stay. Plus, if you slap QO on both of them, they will probably stay another year.

Which goes back again to starters that we need.

[ElNik2013]

Yes... because there are so many teams willing to trade young upside 2nd basemen.... for Adam Lind.... Maybe we can ask them to throw in a #1 starter as well.

 

 

I said 'let's hope AA can trade Lind for a young 2B with some upside'. I'm hardly suggesting they could get the next Pedroia for Lind, calm-the-f***-down.

 

s***, does this AA character have his apologists.