JJippidy

Offense has been stupid. All i know is i like this lineup and the question marks i see on the 25 man look like less than every other team in this division. Plus this board likes the idea of regression to the norm so... isnt it about time the jays get a few breaks along the way?

Its baseball, i say dont overthink it, youre going to have nights where the bats dont click, if you come out of it with a win against the defendind nl champs, well thats gravy. Team game, team win.

This is a good team. That is all, see you all next month for my monthly obvious statement. Have fun Jays fans, you've all waited for this, however long this lasts.

Hype does more than winning on the very short term only, that's not applicable here since the Jays only produced hype and failed to win. I don't see any examples in the game where hype beats out success long term, it's just the nature of the timeline, you can manufacture hype and sales all winter long, you can only produce winning once a season gets significantly underway. It's easier to pump ticket sales all winter long after big splashes than it is to sellout a stadium in May after a good April etc. In most places the lag is just a reflection of that. Toronto is a little different than the average, but if anything the nature of this market (large, good following but success starved) leads me to believe that if the Jays win the attendance spike will be swifter than most, fans want a winner here, the Jays just have to plow their way through the sour taste of the past 20 years of broken goals.

I can't remember a time when it was open for the opener, unless we go way back. The issue generally isn't just the weather outside on that day but all the work and checks they have to go through after a winter to ensure the mechanics and structure of the roof is ready to go.

There's always been a lag. You can see it in other markets as well. Especially true here, not just after last year but after the last decades, people need more than 1 game above .500 in May before they put aside their scepticism. Play off race come mid summer and attendance concerns are gone. Team has to win, do that and everything is fine.

I'm worried the Rays won't make the playoffs. A successful, on the field, Rays team in an unsuccessful Rays market isn't nearly as worrying as the thought of a successful Rays team in a supportive market. If they're selling by the deadline what's their attendance and TV numbers look like? They'd probably be profitable, maybe even highly, with a slashed payroll but MLB has to not like the idea of 5k crowds on a team that just came off of a half decade of great teams.

Im not 100% on the new cba but they shouldnt have lost a year of control, he just becomes arb eligible a year earlier, he was off the 25 man long enough not to log his first 1 year of mlb service time until next season, no? As far as him as a starter, I say run him out there, long term his height worries me, but I dont suspect his size will be an issue while his arm is young, might as well use his youth in the rotation rather than waste the talent in a relief role.

I came to this thread to make a post and realized I had already made one last night. While I should be concerned about the lack of memory I'm mostly impressed that my post was oddly readable.

There was a time where I looked at Buerhle and thought he was an innings eating throw in with the Miami trade who was grossly overpaid... But the guys a f***ing horse, and I think I finally accept that while I dont understand how he has success with 83, its somehow not a fluke. I don't expect this level of performance to continue, but I oddly feel perfectly at piece when the freak of nature takes the mound.

Picking up the option is fine, it just needs to be done with the realization that you can't count on him for being more than the 5th best option on a team looking to contend.

Hard to make that comparison until a "winning" team takes the field with a chance to win some meaningful games. Slightly better than .500 records vs slightly more exciting off seasons isn't much to compare. No reason to expect the Jays to show a trend in attendance better than what the rest of baseball would expect with .500 or worse teams with meaningless Septembers for 2 decades. As for the original topic, you worry about attendance when the Jays are in first place come July and no one shows up... until then you accept the numbers are about what the team has earned.

Well, according to Wilner this franchise has probably only had 5 bad years in the past 20, if you take their best 50 games from each season and sprinkle them around to the other 20 years and put then in the nl east they would have made the play offs most years, thats a fact, patently!!! Also, I just got a text from wilner, he wanted me to tell everyone how much he likes/needs his job because his oher qualifications are pretty weak, and that its early and hes doing alright tonight.

Is it just me or does anyone else want to see, from this point on, every ******* who takes the mound on a cold night in short sleeves and walks the opposing teams entire 25 mam roster whipped and then dfa'd? I know everyone sucked in the 8th, but happ and his short sleeves on a cold nigth throwing garbage to the plate really set me off. Not fair, but he sucks so i hate him most. Beer typed this.

Designs are different, obviously, but it's the arraignment of the roof and roof supports that I see as what's important. If you're going to go the retractable route you need to be willing to toss in the extra cash needed, even over a typical retractable roofed stadium, to ensure as much of the roof as possible isn't within the site lines of the spectators and pushed back as far as possible. Chase field has it's roof looming over both sides of the stadium even when open and the supports out beyond centre field are in clear view, the fans are boxed in. If they had lowered the outfield roof supports to sit below the stands and had the roof sections slide over more to open up the sky it would have been a very different feeling park. I suspect the cost of doing something like that would mean hundreds of more millions. Safeco is open air even when the roof is closed, that probably made it more feasible to have the roof arranged the way it is, it slides to right field on a 45 and sits well back, plus there's no visibly clunky supports needed all around the park, it feels open and looks good because of that. vs