Filthiest pitch to ever be thrown from a Blue Jays uniform?

[Eragon]

The absolute filthiest pitch to ever be thrown from a Blue Jay. I didn't watch baseball before the 90's so can't really name any past that.

 

If the name is not on the list you select other and write-in your vote.

 

 

*Not serious

[Eragon]

I'd make that Delabar's split change instead of his FB.

 

I forgot what kind of pitch it was and different sites have it listed as different things so I just gave up and put his fastball.

[Eragon]

Pitch F/X thinks its a change, he says its a splitter, make it a split change!

 

Can't edit the poll once it's posted.

[Chappy]

Roger Clemons. For those who were old enough to remember, he was devastating during his tenure with the Jays and had the most success.

[Eragon]

I selected Brandon Morrow's slider. Hard to argue with 17 strikeouts.

[Chappy]

Wtf? I've never seen most of these guys pitch before

 

Honest question, what's your real age? I think I started watching the jays before the time you were born and I'm 32, lol.

[NorthOf49]

Shawn Camp's change-up was pretty effective.

 

Honest question, what's your real age? I think I started watching the jays before the time you were born and I'm 32, lol.

King's in grade nine or something lol

[Abomination]

Some great choices on that list (and one or two I'm hoping are jokes)! Probably unfair to pick across different pitches, but rather rate by each pitch type.

 

That Henke forkball would absolutely disappear, but it's hard to beat the Clemens fastball at 98mph across the letters. Absolutely unhittable. The Hentgen called strike fastball a foot off the plate was pretty nasty too lol. He was a master at expanding the zone.

[Chappy]

16, 17 near the end of the year (1997)

 

 

 

GD is in grade 9

 

Watch video on Clemons during his tenure with the jays. He was that good. Santos slider is impressive but he does it in a relief role, so we have to be leery of his success.

[Chappy]

Some great choices on that list (and one or two I'm hoping are jokes)! Probably unfair to pick across different pitches, but rather rate by each pitch type.

 

That Henke forkball would absolutely disappear, but it's hard to beat the Clemens fastball at 98mph across the letters. Absolutely unhittable. The Hentgen called strike fastball a foot off the plate was pretty nasty too lol. He was a master at expanding the zone.

 

Hentgen was great at his craft but once Clemons came into the fold he made a fool of the league, if he didn't already. It was an epic tenure as shot as it was.

[43211234]

I know this isn't what the thread was intended to consider but in terms of pure effectiveness and overall value added to the franchise, I think I have to go with Doc's cutter.

[Chappy]

I know this isn't what the thread was intended to consider but in terms of pure effectiveness and overall value added to the franchise, I think I have to go with Doc's cutter.

 

He was the most effective overall, but if we are talking best of the best only one name comes to mind for me.

[Chappy]

I know this isn't what the thread was intended to consider but in terms of pure effectiveness and overall value added to the franchise, I think I have to go with Doc's cutter.

 

BTW, get a haircut.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Going with Santos slider. But Morrow and McGowan have really good ones as well. That's really tough.

 

Seriously now, none of these guys can touch Stieb or Clemons. It's laughable to compare these new guys with legends.

[Chappy]

Seriously now, none of these guys can touch Stieb or Clemons. It's laughable to compare these new guys with legends.

 

Clemons was in a league of his own. He dominated at an elite level and no one else compared.

[admin]

Maybe not the filthiest but Lilly curve was fun to watch.

Burnett when he was on was filthy.

I'd probably say Brandon League.

He probably won't get the recognition he deserves (though jfas already mentioned him!), but the movement on his pitches in the high 90s almost defies physics. The reason he isn't known as one of the best is because there was so much movement on it, he couldn't even control it, and his walk rates were way too high. But he had the potential to be one of the top closers in baseball imo.

[Chappy]

Maybe not the filthiest but Lilly curve was fun to watch.

Burnett when he was on was filthy.

I'd probably say Brandon League.

He probably won't get the recognition he deserves (though jfas already mentioned him!), but the movement on his pitches in the high 90s almost defies physics. The reason he isn't known as one of the best is because there was so much movement on it, he couldn't even control it, and his walk rates were way too high. But he had the potential to be one of the top closers in baseball imo.

 

Clemons set the stages. The rest just hated on the best.

[43211234]

BTW, get a haircut.

 

Yeah, I've been meaning to switch up avatars. How's this one?

 

http://www.beatlesbible.com/wp/media/george-harrison_018.jpg

[Chappy]

Yeah, I've been meaning to switch up avatars. How's this one?

 

http://www.beatlesbible.com/wp/media/george-harrison_018.jpg

 

Jesus!!

[43211234]

Just songwriting Jesus.

[torontofan]

I loved watching Ted Lilly throw his curveball, although Burnett had a better curve when on.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Hard to compare pitchers from different eras, I've seen most of these guys pitch dozens of times and recently only Morrow at his very best was truly dominant in my opinion. Clemons is one of the best pitchers ever ( any team ), he was on top of his game far more frequently then most pitchers. My point on Stieb is more trying to relate to the one pitch theme. What I'm thinking is in terms of when these guys were at their best, who was most dominant ?

 

Roughly, this is how I remember it :

 

Clemons ( early Boston ) > Stieb ( best games ) > Clemons ( Toronto ) > Halliday ( best games )

 

This is subject to error of course and I'm thinking more in terms of best dozen games then any one game. Stieb was close to a perfect game numerous times. Clemons would just blow people away on his best nights. Halliday was good but I don't remember him being as dominant.

 

Which begs another question, what has this got to do with one "filthy pitch" ? Well, I just wasn't sure how to rate a Stieb slider vs a Halliday cutter vs a Clemons fastball. I just know Stieb was almost unhittable some games, but I can't remember if it was because his slider was so good or it was just control pitching. I see the stats say Clemons in Toronto was over the entire season rated higher by WAR then when he was in Boston. But he was more dominant in my mind in Boston. And Stieb statistically seems weaker then he really was, which to some degree might be because he pitched for some fairly weak teams some years. And I'm not sure how well new stats like WAR hold up going back to the 1980s.

 

Toronto has been blessed with some really good pitchers.

[Olerud363]

The absolute filthiest pitch to ever be thrown from a Blue Jay. I didn't watch baseball before the 90's so can't really name any past that.

 

If the name is not on the list you select other and write-in your vote.

 

 

*Not serious

 

Didn't Guzman throw a split fingered fastball?? I voted for Stieb. But Guzman and Marcum were close.

 

Injuries really derailed Guzman and Marcum. I think we forget how good they were.

 

When the Mets got Marcum I told a friend he was capable of a season like Dickey 2012. A guy with a trick pitch who had an outside chance to contend for a Cy Young if things broke right. Marcum just made guys look silly when he was on. But injuries and to much partying?? took him out.

[Caper]

I think it's the Santo's slider.

[P2F]

Jesus f***, guys. It's Clemens!

 

Unless Pinball Clemons had a nasty fastball I was unaware of.

[Grant77]

I remember being a little kid and wondering why Henke didn't throw the forkball ever pitch, it was just ridiculous. Santos' slider is good, but might not even be the best pitch in our bullpen.

 

For starters, I've only seen a bit of footage, but Stieb's name always comes up when discussing the best sliders of all-time, pretty high praise.

[sleeving]

Best pitch from a starter, Stieb's slider, closer Santos slider.

 

Agreed. There was an All-Star game in the early '80's that Stieb started where the catcher (can't remember who) could hardly get a mitt on some of his pitches!

[Grant77]

And lol at "Halliday"

 

Hate to do it but...

 

You just called him 'Roger Clemons' multiple times bro.

[GD]

Hate to do it but...

 

You just called him 'Roger Clemons' multiple times bro.

 

I knew something was off there. Like 8 different people just did that.

[Grant77]

I copied Chappy lol

 

So did cooler heads. I guess the lesson here is don't copy annoying trolls