GDT(3/3): New York Yankees @ Toronto Blue Jays - Sabathia vs. Hutchison - 1:07 PM ET

[gruber92]

3-4 without Reyes against rays and yank isn't the worst thing that could have happened. day off and then back at it tuesday.

 

+ 1

 

Most were expecting a 1-6 or 2-5 at best against those starters,especially without Reyes.

 

Lets sweep the Astros and get the offense rolling vs their staff.

[John_Havok]

f*** YOU UMP! f*** YOU BABIP! NO f***ING BREAK FROM ANYONE!

 

/rant

 

Here's the strike zone map - pretty even against LHB but against RHB, Yankee's got 11 extra borderline strikes called in favour of their pitchers to the Jays 2

 

http://brooksbaseball.baseballprospectus.com/pfxVB/zoneTrack.php?&game=gid_2014_04_06_nyamlb_tormlb_1/&innings=yyyyyyyyy&month=04&day=06&year=2014

[ElNik2013]

Tough outing from Hutchison, but you've gotta live with it and hope he learns from them. He was wild from the beginning, sometimes out of the strike zone for walks and a few times over the middle of the plate. Let's not forget he was a bit wild against the rays as well in his first start.

 

Offense once again failed to score more than 4 runs although they have faced some tough pitchers.

 

I thought the ump screwed the blue jays on called strike 2 to both Navarro in the 8th and Cabrera in the 9th. Cabrera still hit the ball well and arguably should've hit it out, but he was on the defensive trying to battle.

[TheHurl]

Beeston says we went from $85M to $125M to $140M...now it's up to us to deliver. I take that as a I'll step down statement. f*** that son of a bitch sounds and looks like an idiot. ReleaseTheBeest

[gruber92]

Here's the strike zone map - pretty even against LHB but against RHB, Yankee's got 11 extra borderline strikes called in favour of their pitchers to the Jays 2

 

http://brooksbaseball.baseballprospectus.com/pfxVB/zoneTrack.php?&game=gid_2014_04_06_nyamlb_tormlb_1/&innings=yyyyyyyyy&month=04&day=06&year=2014

 

No surprise.

[berenjenareturns]

Here's the strike zone map - pretty even against LHB but against RHB, Yankee's got 11 extra borderline strikes called in favour of their pitchers to the Jays 2

 

http://brooksbaseball.baseballprospectus.com/pfxVB/zoneTrack.php?&game=gid_2014_04_06_nyamlb_tormlb_1/&innings=yyyyyyyyy&month=04&day=06&year=2014

 

YAY the Yankees get all the calls

[JJippidy]

Beeston says we went from $85M to $125M to $140M...now it's up to us to deliver. I take that as a I'll step down statement. f*** that son of a bitch sounds and looks like an idiot. ReleaseTheBeest

 

I still can't help but find it slightly insulting that they continue to play it as if Rogers invested a ton of money into the team when all they really did was elevate payroll from the 97 million a few years back to match the extra revenue they're now receiving.

 

It's not as if they spent in good faith, more like they're just keeping up.

 

The money wasn't spent with terrible efficiency, but still having to pass around a collection plate in the locker room makes the organization look comfortably second tier.

 

Who invests 130 million only to then draw the line in the sand? That's not how you maximize an investment in a club, it's a decent way to waste one though.

 

Blow it up or add what was essentially promised at the start of the off season, an arm, it's these half measures with crossed fingers that kills my enthusiasm for the organization.

[John_Havok]

I still can't help but find it slightly insulting that they continue to play it as if Rogers invested a ton of money into the team when all they really did was elevate payroll from the 97 million a few years back to match the extra revenue they're now receiving.

 

It's not as if they spent in good faith, more like they're just keeping up.

 

The money wasn't spent with terrible efficiency, but still, having to pass around a collection plate in the locker room makes the organization look comfortably second tier.

 

Who invests 130 million only to then draw the line in the sand?

 

Blow it up or add what was essentially promised at the start of the off season, it's these half measures with crossed fingers that kills my enthusiasm for the organization.

 

Bingo. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[ElNik2013]

So basically what hea saying his neck is on the line ok. He really needs him to go. I want him to go more then I do Alex. If I had to pick one to go it would be Beeston.

 

 

I can agree with this, but of course, the new president would reserve the right to hire a new GM if he so decided.

[Art Vandelay]

Sportsnet is really ruining these home games for me. They seem desperate to make these games all about the "fan experience". I don't mind seeing reaction shots if the people don't know they're on camera, but when you actually put the cameraman in the stands, people start waving at the camera, saying hi to their friends at home, and it creates a feeling of artificiality. It was particularly bad during the home opener, with constant shots of people waiting at the concession stands, and shots of the cameraman walking down the steps. You don't see this happening on American broadcasts.

[TheHurl]

I still can't help but find it slightly insulting that they continue to play it as if Rogers invested a ton of money into the team when all they really did was elevate payroll from the 97 million a few years back to match the extra revenue they're now receiving.

 

It's not as if they spent in good faith, more like they're just keeping up.

 

The money wasn't spent with terrible efficiency, but still having to pass around a collection plate in the locker room makes the organization look comfortably second tier.

 

Who invests 130 million only to then draw the line in the sand? That's not how you maximize an investment a club, it's a decent way to waste one though.

 

Blow it up or add what was essentially promised at the start of the off season, an arm, it's these half measures with crossed fingers that kills my enthusiasm for the organization.

 

So well said...I still have less confidence in the offense than most but still they are essentially waiting on some pitcher to have a career year to mask that they didn't make a move.

[ElNik2013]

I still can't help but find it slightly insulting that they continue to play it as if Rogers invested a ton of money into the team when all they really did was elevate payroll from the 97 million a few years back to match the extra revenue they're now receiving.

 

It's not as if they spent in good faith, more like they're just keeping up.

 

The money wasn't spent with terrible efficiency, but still having to pass around a collection plate in the locker room makes the organization look comfortably second tier.

 

Who invests 130 million only to then draw the line in the sand? That's not how you maximize an investment in a club, it's a decent way to waste one though.

 

Blow it up or add what was essentially promised at the start of the off season, an arm, it's these half measures with crossed fingers that kills my enthusiasm for the organization.

 

 

Well said, especially the part about the half-ass approach.

 

I do wonder what impact Nadir Mohamed's retirement may have had. I mean, he's the one who approved the payroll increase so who knows what they discussed going forward.

 

Who knows, maybe Mohamed wanted to go out on top or something.

[JJippidy]

It would be incredibly unlikely for AA to stick if Beeston stepped down.

 

That's getting ahead of ourselves, but if things go south I'd imagine we do see Beeston step down, they'll allow him to leave under his own accord even though between the lines it's a canning.

 

AA follows when the new GM comes in, question then would be how much do they blow up?

 

Hopefully this club stays healthy and that scenario doesn't play out.

[ElNik2013]

Sportsnet is really ruining these home games for me. They seem desperate to make these games all about the "fan experience". I don't mind seeing reaction shots if the people don't know they're on camera, but when you actually put the cameraman in the stands, people start waving at the camera, saying hi to their friends at home, and it creates a feeling of artificiality. It was particularly bad during the home opener, with constant shots of people waiting at the concession stands, and shots of the cameraman walking down the steps. You don't see this happening on American broadcasts.

 

 

Agreed, it's so annoying. I already watch the games on mute, but I may have to watch them with my eyes closed as well.

[JJippidy]

I do wonder what impact Nadir Mohamed's retirement may have had. I mean, he's the one who approved the payroll increase so who knows what they discussed going forward.

 

Who knows, maybe Mohamed wanted to go out on top or something.

 

I think it's become clear that the payroll was boosted because they were pitched a contender that would recoup the expenses and the safety net of the new national TV money.

 

The team tanked last year, now hands are tied and the farm can't support 25 man upgrades.

 

Bright spot = Stroman and Sanchez, they could be what determines the entire organizations short term fate.

[o2cui2i]

dumb ass beeston still has it backwards. if you build it they will come, not come and we might build something. f***ing idiot has some retarded business sense. it's like a kotex machine that might be filled if enough chicks stuff cash into it?

 

that trick only works once.

 

 

what web site did this f***ing moron get his MBA degree on?

[o2cui2i]

I think it's become clear that the payroll was boosted because they were pitched a contender that would recoup the expenses and the safety net of the new national TV money.

 

The team tanked last year, now hands are tied and the farm can't support 25 man upgrades.

 

Bright spot = Stroman and Sanchez, they could be what determines the entire organizations short term fate.

 

according to AA they had money in play to sign Santana, but that could be AA treating us like mushrooms again and at some point the fans will react unkindly to being fed s***.

[JJippidy]

dumb ass beeston still has it backwards. if you build it they will come, not come and we might build something. f***ing idiot has some retarded business sense. it's like a kotex machine that might be filled if enough chicks stuff cash into it?

 

that trick only works once.

 

 

what web site did this f***ing moron get his MBA degree on?

 

Beeston doesn't understand modern technology, therefor I think the relevant question would be which cereal box?

 

Seriously though, it'd be nice for the next president not to be a dinosaur - not in relation to age, just general out of touchness.

Edited April 6, 2014 by JJippidy

[JJippidy]

according to AA they had money in play to sign Santana, but that could be AA treating us like mushrooms again and at some point the fans will react unkindly to being fed s***.

 

They had money to sign him... if they pushed salary to next year.

 

That's like me saying I have money to buy a million dollar home so long as I extremely over burden myself with debt and hope interest rates don't rise from historic lows... then I tell my bank not to worry about how I plan on coming up with the money.

[Nabru]

Sportsnet is really ruining these home games for me. They seem desperate to make these games all about the "fan experience". I don't mind seeing reaction shots if the people don't know they're on camera, but when you actually put the cameraman in the stands, people start waving at the camera, saying hi to their friends at home, and it creates a feeling of artificiality. It was particularly bad during the home opener, with constant shots of people waiting at the concession stands, and shots of the cameraman walking down the steps. You don't see this happening on American broadcasts.

 

The beauty of mlb.tv: I haven't watched one inning of Buck and Pat's ball-lapping.

[ElNik2013]

Beeston doesn't understand modern technology, therefor I thing the relevant question would be which cereal box?

 

Seriously though, next it'd be nice for the next president not to be a dinosaur - not in relation to age, just general old of touchness.

 

 

You're right, the president is the key. To this day, I don't think we see the change of direction if a good president was in charge, even if the GM wanted to. I think a good president would've easily said, "wait a minute here, this goes against the plan we set out for the franchise, can't do it unless you're getting a big discount in both prospects and $$$".

 

Sadly, they only got $8M and I actually think getting rid of Escobar's team-friendly contract was part of the equation.

[o2cui2i]

Beeston doesn't understand modern technology, therefor I think the relevant question would be which cereal box?

 

Seriously though, it'd be nice for the next president not to be a dinosaur - not in relation to age, just general old of touchness.

 

I still think Beeston's hair took over as CEO a couple years ago. kind of like the Old Spice commercials... I wonder what Beeston's hair gets paid to do those?

 

I'd like the team to be run by baseball guys, but the bare minimum would be someone who understands the open market system that the team is exists in.

[ElNik2013]

That freaking strike called on Cabrera was a joke, same for strike 2 on Navarro in the 8th. Anyway...

[glory]

Hutchison should be in AAA to regain his command after surgery and have his innings, pitch counts, and workload in general monitored.

 

I can't see this season playing out as anything other than a firesale by mid-season. All the stories coming out and the lack of activity in the off-season seemed to plant the seeds.

[jayswin11]

Now that we're officially looking towards 2015 what pieces should be moving now?

I may hold onto Dickey and Buehrle for the season or at least until end of July just to help save our bullpen and young starters.

 

Rasmus

Bautista

Encarnacion (may hold onto him, try to sign to another extension)

Reyes

 

we should look at moving sooner rather than later and hopefully get some nice returns. Get what ever team trades for them to agree to take Happ and Izturis to clear that pay roll.

 

Janssen although I like him and Santos should be the next 2 out the door.

 

We could then give Gose, Sierra and maybe someone we get in return almost a full season of development in the big leagues.

You'd think those 5-6 players should net us a nice return to start building a contender for the 2016 maybe 2017 season.

 

The additional $$$ saved by making early moves could be re-invested into the FA market for some younger players maybe even on, dare I say it, a 7 year deal.

 

If we could maybe snag a top young SP and catching prospect that would be great.

 

Been a Jays fan since 1985, seen the highs and low's. Obviously not making playoffs this year. We tried last year and failed miserably and could be cursing the Dickey trade for the next 10 years. That being said no sense in making it worse. Players are depreciable assets especially once they hit about 31 years. Time to use those players to rebuild.

[Convo]

Now that we're officially looking towards 2015 what pieces should be moving now?

 

For some reason this made me laugh. I don't know why any fan would be anxious to start a rebuild... are you really looking forward to not having any chance to compete for 5-10 years? I can see the humor in my last question, but even if it's fool's gold, as a fan, I still like to have that shred of hope to start the season. Last year and this year are at least seasons I can foolishly invest my fandom into, and it's better than nothing. Maybe we can at least wait a few months before we start talking about a total rebuild?

Edited April 7, 2014 by Convo

[Convo]

The sooner it starts, the shorter it will last. The team has three pending free agents that should have value this year (Rasmus, Janssen, Melky) and should be traded instead of allowed to walk, and guys like Dickey, Bautista, Reyes, and Edwin will lose value every year they're retained.

 

Cool man. I basically agree but still don't see the harm in waiting until June/July to make an informed decision. 2024 post-season here we come!

[ElNik2013]

Yet Robertson had to throw 6 strikes to retire Kratz to start the bottom of the 9th, including two strikes that were called balls.

 

 

What? Pitch one was a cutter, borderline high strike/ball, it was called a ball. Pitches 2 and 3 were called strikes. Pitch 4 was hit foul. Pitch 5 was low and away, not far from the strike zone, but it was a ball. Pitch six was hit for a ground out.

 

All this according to pitch f/x. Same with my complaints about the strikes called on Cabrera and Navarro. Not saying they lost the game because of these calls, but bad umping bothers me period.

[ElNik2013]

For some reason this made me laugh. I don't know why any fan would be anxious to start a rebuild... are you really looking forward to not having any chance to compete for 5-10 years? I can see the humor in my last question, but even if it's fool's gold, as a fan, I still like to have that shred of hope to start the season. Last year and this year are at least seasons I can foolishly invest my fandom into, and it's better than nothing. Maybe we can at least wait a few months before we start talking about a total rebuild?

 

 

It wasn't that far ago that this team was rebuilding and they decided they couldn't wait. All it took for them to give up the rebuilding process was one bad season, 2012, where they had injury and performance setbacks. They probably knew they would go into 2013 expected to lose 90+ games and instead of accepting to take a step back to take 2 forward in 2014 and beyond, they went into desperation mode. AA was described in the 2012 off season as "itching to make a trade".

 

It's just not clear to me that this franchise has the patience to go through a full rebuild. We'll see what happens.

[reedjohnsonfan]

It wasn't that far ago that this team was rebuilding and they decided they couldn't wait. All it took for them to give up the rebuilding process was one bad season, 2012, where they had injury and performance setbacks. They probably knew they would go into 2013 expected to lose 90+ games and instead of accepting to take a step back to take 2 forward in 2014 and beyond, they went into desperation mode. AA was described in the 2012 off season as "itching to make a trade".

 

It's just not clear to me that this franchise has the patience to go through a full rebuild. We'll see what happens.

 

How would they be taking 2 steps forward in 2014? Syndergaard hasn't come up yet, d'Arnaud might be made of glass and hasn't proven anything, Hech didn't show anything with the bat last year, Alvarez still can't K anyone. They also seem to have trouble signing FA's, so I don't know if they'd be competing this year or next regardless of what they did. I'm not supporting all the moves but the reality is all of the players they traded could still be unimpressive players.