Orioles progressing to a deal for Jimenez

[Boxcar]

Another thread derailed by the village idiot.

 

Seriously Nox, take your nerdy statistical numbers and gtfo

[Nox]

Another thread derailed by the village idiot.

 

Seriously Nox, take your nerdy statistical numbers and gtfo

 

Understood

[Santos]

@bluejayhotstove

I would at least like to see them not blow the opportunity of these protected 1st round picks and sign Stephen Drew to play 2nd. Makes sense

 

If the Greek wasnt smart enough to upgrade his rotation then i highly doubt he does something like this although it really would be a total waste not to capitalize on the advantage he has on the market with the two protected first rounders...f***ing idiot

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

You couldn't be more wrong, but it makes for a great example of how abusing stats can lead to irrational thinking. Here's a few realities for you. The Leafs only a few years ago were second last in all of hockey, missed the playoffs every year, had an older roster, had no real depth in their system. Now, they've addressed all of these issues. Rome wasn't built in a day, but very few NHL franchises have rebuilt as well as they have.

 

The fact you say "Bozak laugher" shows how truly delusional you are. Go ahead, tell me what the Leafs W/L record is from 2012-2014 with Bozak in their line up. Now that's a real stat, winning games. And with respect to Clarkson, its far too early to address how he will do on his contract. If he's "crippled" their team then explain to me why they are solidly in the playoff race again. I don't care about some bs stats, there is a guy on here that ranked the Leafs dead last in hockey this year based on his bs forecasting stat. They aren't even close to dead last. What's the point of forecasting anything if your results are so brutally bad ?

 

Is this clown ever right about anything?

[eastcoastjaysfan]

How can you just completely ruin the benefit of having a protected draft pick? Like how does that even happen.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

How can you just completely ruin the benefit of having a protected draft pick? Like how does that even happen.

When you have one of the worst GM's ever, s*** like this isn't even surprising.

 

Like I've said before, AA is the Isiah Thomas of the MLB.

[Jimcanuck]

How can you just completely ruin the benefit of having a protected draft pick? Like how does that even happen.

 

No budget

[jaysfan2014]

Isiah Thomas is a LOT worse than AA. Knicks fans can tell you that.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

Isiah Thomas is a LOT worse than AA. Knicks fans can tell you that.

Those big trades last offseason were classic Isiah-esque moves. Absolutely no patience for building the right way, and blowing a ton of money on a bunch of old career loser veterans and losing team.

[Laika]

How can you just completely ruin the benefit of having a protected draft pick? Like how does that even happen.

 

Two protected picks. They could have signed a dozen QO free agents and still get to pick 9th and 11th this summer.

 

It's kind of like MLB has handed the Blue Jays an extra ~$6M or so to spend on a free agent (arbitrary guess at value gap between lost 2nd and lost 1st rounder), and they've said "no thanks, we're good".

[jays4life19]

When you have one of the worst GM's ever, s*** like this isn't even surprising.

 

Like I've said before, AA is the Isiah Thomas of the MLB.

 

lol @ "one of the worst GM's EVER"

[jaysfan2014]

At least the Jays aren't a complete trainwreck like the current Knicks team.

[KingKat]

How can you just completely ruin the benefit of having a protected draft pick? Like how does that even happen.

 

It happens every time the Jays have one.

[KingKat]

Is this clown ever right about anything?

 

You're doing it wrong. You're supposed to call him a turd "in passing".

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

At least the Jays aren't a complete trainwreck like the current Knicks team.

 

We pretty much are.

[GD]

We pretty much are.

 

We have a better core by far. We have elite locked up players. They have Melo who might leave and, um, Amar'e. Um. Felton.

 

They're looking at trading for Jeremy Lin and that says all that it needs to. I get that you're frustrated but holy hell do you go overboard sometimes.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

We pretty much are.

 

I don't think you realize how terrible the Knicks are.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Why would anybody compare a hockey team and a baseball team in a semi-serious manner? That doesn't make any sense.

 

Why would anybody bring up Nonis on a thread about the Orioles signing Jiminez ? Seriously now, it's kind of funny you even said this.

The fact you were trying to make fun of the idea that the most important stat in hockey being winning games is rather absurd too. It is the most

important stat, there is no doubt in that. You can talk bs about "regressing to the mean" which in itself is a phrase abused to death online, but the Leafs have over 100 games of playoff level results in the regular season now so it is rather impossible to dismiss their results as random short term luck. In fact, on a purely statistical basis, you can't. 100 games are meaningful.

[awsomest]

We pretty much are.

 

The knicks are pretty much the most screwed up team in the history of sports. The have a terrible expensive roster and their only good player is going to leave at the end of the season and walk for nothing. They have like zero draft picks for a s*** ton of years because they spent them all on guys like bargnani. The Team litterally traded their first round pick in 2016 their second round pick in 2014 and 2017 for andrea barg f***ing nani. Its like if the jays didn't have a single draft pick until like 2020 and instead of having an aging good but good enough roster, they had a steaming pile of s*** and their only nice piece was going to leave for nothing. And if that wasn't a good enough of analogy imagine a red sox payroll with a twins team with a Yankees farm system with no draft picks. L O f***ING L

[Angrioter]

JonHeymanCBS

#blueJays didn't make Ubaldo an official offer since they weren't prepared to go where he wanted to be. #50 #4

[The_DH]

JonHeymanCBS

#blueJays didn't make Ubaldo an official offer since they weren't prepared to go where he wanted to be. #50 #4

 

According to Shi Davidi, the Hillbilly said we were in a bidding war for Jimenez. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/02/free-agent-notes-byrdak-johan-blue-jays-martis.html

[jays4life19]

The fact that we didn't make an official offer is being blown out of proportion.

 

The agents/Gibby confirmed there was constant communication. If we knew he was not going to accept our s***** 3 year offer and we were waiting for the price to go down or whatever AA thinking was. What's the point of submitting an offer?

[The_DH]

There doesn't seem to be any point to this offseason. It's chaos.

[Nox]

In fact, on a purely statistical basis, you can't. 100 games are meaningful.

 

Why are 100 games meaningful? Are 80 meaningful? How about 63 or 37? When does it become meaningful? How do you determine this?

 

Explain exactly what you mean here because it really just seems like you've decided arbitrarily that 100 games is statistically significant.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Why are 100 games meaningful? Are 80 meaningful? How about 63 or 37? When does it become meaningful? How do you determine this?

 

Explain exactly what you mean here because it really just seems like you've decided arbitrarily that 100 games is statistically significant.

 

My point is 100 games is significant because X is significant where X << 100. You seem to think an NHL team can survive on luck alone for 100 games. That only exists in your imagination and extreme bias to see the Leafs lose. The same bias allows you to think Bozak was a bad signing even though the Leafs record with him in the line up is far better then without.

 

In the end, neither of our opinions will determine the Leafs future. I think its brighter now then what it was 2-3 years ago.

[The Cats Ass]

My point is 100 games is significant because X is significant where X << 100. You seem to think an NHL team can survive on luck alone for 100 games. That only exists in your imagination and extreme bias to see the Leafs lose. The same bias allows you to think Bozak was a bad signing even though the Leafs record with him in the line up is far better then without.

 

In the end, neither of our opinions will determine the Leafs future. I think its brighter now then what it was 2-3 years ago.

 

I heard this was the Leafs year

[GD]

My point is 100 games is significant because X is significant where X << 100.

 

There is a very direct correlation to having an elite center and winning the cup.

 

So, um, is anyone actually going to support their claims or are we just gonna throw s*** at the wall and see what sticks?

[GD]

Seriously? I was quoted in tandem with this f***ing guy. What the f***? I took for granted that anyone could just think back to the last 10 cup winners and look at the centre position. The only 2 teams that won without a truly elite center is New Jersey and L.A. but they had a kind of 1a 1b options at center.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you. It's just ridiculous when people throw out claims as fact without actually showing that they're fact and proving it. How you define elite, which teams had one, if the elite centre was the reason why they won and it wasn't causation != correlation, etc. You have to back up opinions.