Around Baseball 2014

[Orgfiller]

Yes -------> http://www.thescore.com/news/564395

 

The transfer and release on that play is sick!

 

Also, wtf is with Walden's delivery? How does a guy that pitches like that only walk around 4 per 9?

[Boxcar]

Yes -------> http://www.thescore.com/news/564395

 

Come on, seriously, anyone who would take Cozart over Simmons is a fool. It's not debatable.

[burlingtonbandit]

Defensively? Cozart. He's steadier. He makes the plays you expect. All the time. As a former pitcher, that's far more important to the psyche of a pitcher than the occasional spectacular play.

 

And he doesn't go deep in the hole and do the "fun to look at, but fundamentally unsound" Derek Jeter jump throw, like in that clip.

 

Here's Cozart, doing it better ...

 

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/6479266/v34438735/chccin-cozart-makes-backhanded-play-for-the-out

 

Thats pretty dumb reasoning. Any pitcher that has Simmonds at SS isn't going to have any mental lapses because they know they have the best SS in the game behind them.

[Orgfiller]

Defensively? Cozart. He's steadier. He makes the plays you expect. All the time. As a former pitcher, that's far more important to the psyche of a pitcher than the occasional spectacular play.

 

Simmons:

http://i.gyazo.com/e15ec9fd521999b50385172dd928a088.png

 

Cozart:

http://i.gyazo.com/af866c8ea06e6de8e04512ac9cecda76.png

 

So not only does Simmons convert about the same amount (if not more) of plays he's expected to, he also makes the much more difficult plays a lot more often.

[burlingtonbandit]

Moogy is just trying to be the Mike Wilner of the board.

[burlingtonbandit]

lol, why would anyone want to be the Mike Wilner of anything?

 

Ask Moogy not me lol. He disagrees for the sake of disagreeing.

[BTS]

Simmons:

http://i.gyazo.com/e15ec9fd521999b50385172dd928a088.png

 

Cozart:

http://i.gyazo.com/af866c8ea06e6de8e04512ac9cecda76.png

 

So not only does Simmons convert about the same amount (if not more) of plays he's expected to, he also makes the much more difficult plays a lot more often.

 

/debate

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Tigers walk off the Yankees.

 

Jays fall to 6 GB of WC

[jaysfan2014]

Tigers walk off the Yankees.

 

Jays fall to 6 GB of WC

 

Still 5.5 back. Seattle is idle tonight. All the Tigers win does is tie them with the Mariners.

[burlingtonbandit]

You just used circular logic. That's, like bad and stuff. Real bad. Makes "dumb reasoning" look really, really smart.

 

Sorry.. I'm not writing a novel ms. Shakespeare

[John_Havok]

Simmons:

http://i.gyazo.com/e15ec9fd521999b50385172dd928a088.png

 

Cozart:

http://i.gyazo.com/af866c8ea06e6de8e04512ac9cecda76.png

 

So not only does Simmons convert about the same amount (if not more) of plays he's expected to, he also makes the much more difficult plays a lot more often.

 

What's the difference on each players # of defensive chances this year? That would probably explain the rankings

[Orgfiller]

What's the difference on each players # of defensive chances this year? That would probably explain the rankings

 

If what the parenthesis show are the number of plays in each category, then it would appear that Cozart has had about 50 more routine plays while Simmons has had 14 more impossible plays.

[John_Havok]

If what the parenthesis show are the number of plays in each category, then it would appear that Cozart has had about 50 more routine plays while Simmons has had 14 more impossible plays.

 

That's why cozart is ranked higher than. That many more routine plays would outrank the 14 harder ones. People need to remember these rankings aren't absolute. They're just saying that these guys are having great defensive seasons, based on a set of certainly imprecise measures, of which cozart has had more chances and not made mistakes. They don't mean cozart is the best defensive SS.

[jaysfan2014]

Travis d'Arnaud may not last at catcher. Mets are discussing moving him to LF due to his frequent concussions:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/baseballinsider/travis-arnaud-turned-keeper-ny-mets-save-concussions-blog-entry-1.1920941

 

Not that it's a big issue for the Mets.. they have Kevin Plawecki in the pipeline, who will likely push d'Arnaud off catcher anyway. Besides, d'Arnaud's defense behind the plate isn't good(-0.9 dWAR, -12 DRS).. so lousy that it makes Navarro look like Yadier Molina. It may be better for d'Arnaud to be moved to another position, especially considering his power bat is better suited for the OF than at C.

 

Oh, and the Mets called up top 2B prospect Dilson Herrera due to Daniel Murphy going on the DL.

[G-Snarls]

d'Aranud's bat doesn't seem likely to play well in LF. At one point people used terms like "possible middle of the order bat" with regards to him, but that was a long time ago.

 

I guess keeping him healthy is the main priority now. But a career path of "4th outfielder" suddenly seems plausible for him. That's not what the Mets thought they were getting as half the package for their Cy Young winner.

[Angrioter]

TDA LF = s***

[jaysfan2014]

d'Aranud's bat doesn't seem likely to play well in LF. At one point people used terms like "possible middle of the order bat" with regards to him, but that was a long time ago.

 

I guess keeping him healthy is the main priority now. But a career path of "4th outfielder" suddenly seems plausible for him. That's not what the Mets thought they were getting for their Cy Young winner.

 

True. But his frequent injuries behind the plate and Plawecki's development are close to forcing the Mets' hand. It makes you wonder if AA knew something about him when they traded him along with Syndergaard(who the jury is still out on and is unlikely to be called up until 2015.) for RA Dickey.

[G-Snarls]

[nmrch]

Travis d'Arnaud may not last at catcher. Mets are discussing moving him to LF due to his frequent concussions:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/baseballinsider/travis-arnaud-turned-keeper-ny-mets-save-concussions-blog-entry-1.1920941

 

Not that it's a big issue for the Mets.. they have Kevin Plawecki in the pipeline, who will likely push d'Arnaud off catcher anyway. Besides, d'Arnaud's defense behind the plate isn't good(-0.9 dWAR, -12 DRS).. so lousy that it makes Navarro look like Yadier Molina. It may be better for d'Arnaud to be moved to another position, especially considering his power bat is better suited for the OF than at C.

 

Oh, and the Mets called up top 2B prospect Dilson Herrera due to Daniel Murphy going on the DL.

 

Framing stats which don't need a huge sample size to paint an accurate picture say d'Arnaud us an elite framer and those catching metrics you're citing are unreliable in small sample sizes. Even if he struggled with blocking pitches and throwing out runners the impact that has on the game is minor compared to how important framing is, i really don't see the point in moving him to left field, he's not that elite of a bat and there's a good chance he'll struggle defensively. And concussions aren't the only injury concern with him, he's had several issues with his back, they might get better without the workload of a catcher but it could also be a chronic thing no matter where he plays, afterall there are plenty of outfielders who have back problems. If i where Alderson i would keep him on at catcher and take the risk, because most if not all of TDA's value as a player requires him to stay behind the plate.

[jaysfan2014]

TDA LF = s***

 

His bat would still be better than most of the Mets OFs on the MLB team and in the minors, of which many are s*** offensively, but some have great gloves (i.e. Lagares)

[G-Snarls]

True. But his frequent injuries behind the plate and Plawecki's development are close to forcing the Mets' hand. It makes you wonder if AA knew something about him when they traded him along with Syndergaard(who the jury is still out on and is unlikely to be called up until 2015.) for RA Dickey.

 

Jays were known to be very concerned about his injury history. Concussions, lower body injuries and hand injuries all by the time he got to AAA.

[Angrioter]

His bat would still be better than most of the Mets OFs on the MLB team and in the minors, of which many are s*** offensively, but some have great gloves (i.e. Lagares)

 

En resumen: Travis can't hit or catch the ball; and he's injury prone. Sounds like bust to me.

[bzapple]

JPA should do this: http://wapc.mlb.com/cutfour/2014/08/28/91872030/joe-nathan-reads-mean-tweets-tigers-kimmel

[jaysfan2014]

Framing stats which don't need a huge sample size to paint an accurate picture say d'Arnaud us an elite framer and those catching metrics you're citing are unreliable in small sample sizes. Even if he struggled with blocking pitches and throwing out runners the impact that has on the game is minor compared to how important framing is, i really don't see the point in moving him to left field, he's not that elite of a bat and there's a good chance he'll struggle defensively. And concussions aren't the only injury concern with him, he's had several issues with his back, they might get better without the workload of a catcher but it could also be a chronic thing no matter where he plays, afterall there are plenty of outfielders who have back problems. If i where Alderson i would keep him on at catcher and take the risk, because most if not all of TDA's value as a player requires him to stay behind the plate.

 

Elite framers don't matter if they keep getting foul tips hitting them in the head causing concussions, which d'Arnaud has a history of. Oh, and he has 12 PBs, and only has a CS% of 20%.

[jaysfan2014]

En resumen: Travis can't hit or catch the ball; and he's injury prone. Sounds like bust to me.

 

Well, he has hit a little (12 HR, 32 RBI, 26/54 BB/K ratio, .229/.292/.397).. but his poor defensive skills and injuries do scream bust. Yes, his pitch framing is good, but it's negated by his awful defense.

[jaysfan2014]

An article about d'Arnaud recently, includes some GIFs of his awful defense.. CATCH the dang ball, don't just try to frame it! Is it a wonder he has 12 PBs and gives up a ton of stolen bases?

 

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2014/8/27/6044493/mets-travis-darnaud-pitch-blocking-framing

[Angrioter]

Well, he has hit a little (12 HR, 32 RBI, 26/54 BB/K ratio, .229/.292/.397).. but his poor defensive skills and injuries do scream bust. Yes, his pitch framing is good, but it's negated by his awful defense.

 

MadBum Hitta > Travis D Hitta

[Angrioter]

An article about d'Arnaud recently, includes some GIFs of his awful defense.. CATCH the dang ball, don't just try to frame it! Is it a wonder he has 12 PBs and gives up a ton of stolen bases?

 

http://www.amazinavenue.com/2014/8/27/6044493/mets-travis-darnaud-pitch-blocking-framing

 

I'm a former catcher, and I tell you that he's awful (Article Gif)

[jaysfan2014]

On the other hand, TDA's pitch framing does help the Mets pitching staff (all 5 starters have ERAs in the 3s). Still, PBs and SBs from him hurt, especially on an offensively challenged team like the Mets (near the bottom in many categories regarding hitting and SLG)

[burlingtonbandit]

Well, he has hit a little (12 HR, 32 RBI, 26/54 BB/K ratio, .229/.292/.397).. but his poor defensive skills and injuries do scream bust. Yes, his pitch framing is good, but it's negated by his awful defense.

 

More like his bad defence is negated by his superior pitch framing..