Jays targetting Jeff Samardzija and/or Ryan Hanigan

[Terminator]

Provided his medical records check out, I'd love to see Hanigan as our C. Viewed through a sabremetric lense, there is a lot to like about him. Supposedly a top notch pitch framer as well.

[Sorrow]

I'd like Hannigan if he could be got cheap, someone like Todd Redmond or Luis Perez. I wouldn't trade a legitimate prospect for the guy.

 

Samar is interesting, he'll be a massive overpay that our system can't support - but he is so damn good.

[z3r0s]

I like both. But not my top targets. Wouldn't be mad unless Sanchez or Stroman are involved.

 

We 100% need to keep Stroman and Sanchez... we need some home grown pitching talent with #2 ceilings once our entire roster's contracts wrap up. Bautista, EE, Mark B, Romero, Melky, Morrow, Dickey, Rasmus, Lind, Izturis, Happ, Jannssen, Santos... ALL potentially gone in 2015 (some if we WANT them gone).

 

We need a base to build from when that happens.

[DuckDuckGose]

IMO Stroman doesn't even land you Samardzija. It takes Stroman and 1-2 other guys from our top-15. I actually really like Samardzija, but he just doesn't make any sense unless the FO is panicking in an effort to win in 2014 at all costs.

 

IMO Sanchez/Stroman shouldn't have to be included in any Samardzija package. Stroman might be a mid-rotation guy as soon as next season -- To move Sanchez I'd want a true #1 guy back. It would have to be Hutch or Rogers/Redmond/Happ (which I don't think gets it done) plus a couple top 15 guys or there really isn't a deal to make.

[BarrysSyringe]

Based on what? He is actually a good pitcher. Would be a significant boost to our rotation, the only real issue is the cost of trading for him.

 

Loses command too often and for his price, hes not worth the risk in my eyes

[Angrioter]

I would question his motivations for extending right now unless he's guaranteed like 3 FA years at like 15 per.

 

I really wish they hadn't sold the farm last year. If AA had kept the prospects, Samardzija would make a lot of sense. We could move something like Sanchez + Nicolino + Hechavarria for Samardzija and still have a deep system. He'd be an interesting anchor for a staff that's about to break in Stroman, Syndergaard, and Hutchison. As things stand right now, I'd guess we'd be looking at something like Stroman/Sanchez + Nolin + 3rd piece, and the system really can't absorb that hit, especially if there's no extension.

 

The only two valuable assets we have in the minors are Sanchez and Stroman, if we lose one of them wouldn't have decent pieces for a possible transaction deadline 2014.

 

Osuna injured, our two 2014 first-round picks will be a disaster, Norris apparently doesn't have the stuff, Stilson is just a reliever .................. Davis, Alford, Dean, Nay, Barreto, Tirado, Tellez, Hollon, Brentz are at 2 and 3 years to get their true value, if any of them have some value.

 

Alex needs to attack the free agent and sign one or two starter (Mid-rotation guys).

 

FA

Dickey

Morrow

FA

Buehrle

Happ

Hutchison

Stroman (~100 IP)

[DuckDuckGose]

1 Ace

2 Above average pitcher

3 Average pitcher

4 Just below average

5 Below average

 

No way Samar is a ¾. He's definitely above average.

 

That's just an arbitrary list. The majority of contending rotations would not fit that mould and the Jays are trying to contend. Let's not pretend that Samardzija as your 2nd best pitcher would be nothing less than underwhelming going in to any "window of contention" season.

[G-Snarls]

This is the polar opposite of the way good teams manage themselves - the goal should be to trade these pieces way for youth a year or two before they walk.

 

Eg. Marcum for Lawrie

 

That's what you do until you're close to contention. Then maybe you overpay for a critical need or two via free agency (preferably) or trade (from depth)

 

AA thought the team was ready for that jump when in reality it wasn't. I still blame a lot of the failure this year for doing NOTHING 2 off seasons ago.

[DuckDuckGose]

I don't see how we could possibly land him without including Stroman/Sanchez. Some other team would easily beat our offer of crap + crap + crap + crap.

 

I don't consider Hutch crap -- he's going to provide lots of innings for cheap and the Cubs desperately need that as theyc ontinue to rebuild. Obviously the other pieces would have to be more exciting than if Sanchez or Stroman were included but, something might be able to be put together. IMO something like Hutch + Gose would be very inticing to the Cubs. I would also float out Rasmus for Samardzija and Castro as a trade that makes a lot of sense for both teams.

[The_DH]

That's how we grew into world series contenders. We went from perennial 77 game winners to 82 or so to 89 and then boom. We tried to go from 74 to 90 plus. That's a big jump. A good manager would manage expectation better.

[Angrioter]

I don't consider Hutch crap -- he's going to provide lots of innings for cheap and the Cubs desperately need that as theyc ontinue to rebuild. Obviously the other pieces would have to be more exciting than if Sanchez or Stroman were included but, something might be able to be put together. IMO something like Hutch + Gose would be very inticing to the Cubs. I would also float out Rasmus for Samardzija and Castro as a trade that makes a lot of sense for both teams.

 

Do you want to send garbage to one of the most talented organization throughout the baseball?

 

Rizzo, Castro, Baez, Soler, Almora, Vizcaino, Bryant, Olt, Candelario, Alcantara, C.J. Edwards, Pierce Johnson, Vogelbach

Lake > Gose

[TRM]

Samardzija is good because he is on my DDL roster!!!!

 

#No49Logic

[Laika]

The Blue Jays need more Jeffs.

 

Agree or disagree?

[jaysblue]

Hanigan is very good. I've liked him for a long time provided hes healthy. He can hit a little bit as well.

 

He'd be a huge upgrade over Thole. If all he costs is a reliever like Perez or some excess BP arm, the Jays should do it!

[jaysblue]

Or we could have traded them for Gio and Latos, and signed Darvish (all of which I advocated for at the time, this analysis isn't hindsight-fuelled). Gio signed an amazing deal with the Nats, Darvish is affordable, and Latos had a lot of control. We'd have tons of money left to spend and some prospects left.

 

There were so many posters on here against trading for Latos and Gio I remember. BTS was one of them (he hated Gio).

[Terminator]

He's not bad framing wise. Definitely above average. Not much of an upgrade on framing over JPA though.

 

Well I was going off of this running article which had him in the Top 10: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=21855. I also read something on fangraphs very recently which suggested something similar.

[Laika]

Saying that Toronto "should have just traded for Latos" is incredibly stupid. Please stop doing it.

[Abomination]

There were so many posters on here against trading for Latos and Gio I remember. BTS was one of them (he hated Gio).

 

I think a lot of us weren't comfortable with the idea of Gio. I seem to recall a lot of people being upset we didn't get Latos though.

[jays_fever]

I think a lot of us weren't comfortable with the idea of Gio. I seem to recall a lot of people being upset we didn't get Latos though.

 

Yea most were very worried about Gio's walk rates and how he would transition to a hitters ball park. Most liked Latos though.

[Angrioter]

The Blue Jays need more Jeffs.

 

Agree or disagree?

 

Jeff Baker!

 

Jeff "Nate McLouth" Locke. He's available

[TRM]

I'm just messing around with you Spence!

 

Samardzija is what he is, a solid 2ish starter who K's like a 1, but walks a few too many is prone to a bad inning. Problem is he has 2 years of control left, so as others have said he isn't an ideal target for the Jays current situation. I'm sure most would trade for him in a vacuum.

[TRM]

It has been my experience that no DDL member is even close to as satisfying to troll as No49.

 

Totally and completely agreed. Boxy is a close second. Boxy and Gibbers quarrelling is a good time, also.

 

Remember when he (No49) decided to parade unsolicited attacks on the quality of my team after like two weeks on the old board? That was fun.

[KingKat]

1 Ace

2 Above average pitcher

3 Average pitcher

4 Just below average

5 Below average

 

No way Samar is a ¾. He's definitely above average.

 

If you break starting pitching into five tiers, there's big separation between 1st and 2nd and between 4th and 5th and not much separation otherwise so it's not really worth much to argue whether a guy is a 2 or a 3/4. It's basically like this:

 

#1 (top 20% of starting pitchers)

Middle rotation guys (60 %)

#5 (bottom 20%)

[TRM]

I dug up some of those quotes, and let's just say they were...

 

[TRM]

That was your MPL team I tore into, I always respected your DDL team. It was and is indeed quite strong.

 

Also BTS, I don't care that I didn't do well in the Consolation Rounds of DDL, that doesn't matter. I won my Division and had a very successful year. Realmin also had a great year, and so did you in fact.

 

Naw that's not entirely true, you suggested I be booted from the DDL once or twice or questioned my quality as a manager. I can dig the quotes but I don't really care, it's more just funny. Frankly, I was (and still am) the biggest unknown as a manager in the DDL, so it wasn't totally surprising to me, it was just so unjustified it was blindsiding.

 

And yes we all had great teams let's quickly circle jerk for old times sake, yay!

[TRM]

Also I'm about two years from a Boxy level tank according to BTS (who is probably right), so that should be buckets of fun!

 

I have something like 5 impact players the right side of 30, one of them being Kimbrel who although is as decent a bet as any reliever to be sustainably valuable, at the end of the day is still a freaking reliever. Stanton, Jones, Donaldson and Samardzj are my only other even remotely "youngsters".

[TRM]

Yup.

 

Speaking of being under the radar, Spanky legitimately asked me who I was in the Off Topic forum the other day. So as Forrest once said "That's all I need to say about that".

[TRM]

I really wish you had let me violate you for Donaldson+ when we were discussing Lynn. It would have been better that way.

 

http://www.2m4b.com/2M4B13-14-235.html

[TRM]

As I'm looking at the boxscore closely for the first time, wtf was up with the shots in the first period?

[jays_fever]

I'm just messing around with you Spence!

 

Samardzija is what he is, a solid 2ish starter who K's like a 1, but walks a few too many is prone to a bad inning. Problem is he has 2 years of control left, so as others have said he isn't an ideal target for the Jays current situation. I'm sure most would trade for him in a vacuum.

 

His walk rate is solid. His BABIP has just been high for the past 2 seasons, which makes sense when you look at whos playing SS behind him. HR rate a bit high as well, but he does pitch in Wrigley