Why the Blue Jays should have dealt Casey Janssen | Fangraphs Community Research

[GD]

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To sum this up, we have a closer who has declined across the board, who will be 32 next month, and who is getting results by suppressing home runs in a hitter-friendly park.

 

Nice article from Paul Berthelot.

[o2cui2i]

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Nice article from Paul Berthelot.

 

since the blue jays front office has no idea how to evaluate talent, I'm sure keeping him is the better of the two evils. better that than they trade for another piece of s*** like Bonifiasco. trades and drafts are going to be f***ed until the org gets in some guys who can crunch numbers and tell AA's gut to f*** off.... just sayin

[theblujay]

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Nice article from Paul Berthelot.

No, we need all the saves we can get from here to the end of the season.

[GeorgiaPeach]

http://www.fangraphs.com/community/why-the-blue-jays-should-have-dealt-casey-janssen/

 

 

 

Nice article from Paul Berthelot.

 

 

Nice?

 

Come on.

[GD]

What we get instead is a whole load of bs posts from idiots like you who have no idea what REAL teams are offering for our players. You keep pushing for them to dump their most productive veterans this season. Ok, smart guy ( sarcasm ), tell me about any trades that occured during this season ( ANY TEAM ) that involved productive veterans being sent away for valuable future pieces. Must be a ton of them given how sure you are about your ideas.

 

Honestly, its just a blur of fantasy land ideas from guys like you. Are you suggesting that every REAL GM is baseball just can't measure up to your incredible talent in building a baseball team ? ( sarcasm again )

 

You should send in your resume to the Jays I'm sure they'll hire you based on your posts. ( sarcasm again )

 

Excellent post, 10/10. Exceptional content, eloquently worded, very constructive, glad I read it.

 

No, I'm not going to f***ing label my sarcasm.

[GD]

Nice?

 

Come on.

 

Yeah, nice. It was a fairly decent article I figured people would like. It's not a groundbreaking article but I enjoyed it.

[Caper]

Sure the article was fine. But who were we getting back by trading CJ?

[GNick]

Article unnecessary because everybody knows relievers are all the board anyway. For example how are Drew Storen or John Axford doing now?

[BlueJayWay]

I love Janssen. But as I said before, I think the odds are high that in a couple of years (or less) we'll be saying, damn, shoulda traded him in 2012 or 2013.

[G-Snarls]

No, I'm not going to f***ing label my sarcasm.

 

It seems like you have to for some people. (Wait, actually, even labelling it didn't work so yeah, don't bother)

[Jays]

Yep. Just about every reliever with a sub-3.00 ERA right now won't be good in three years. That's what makes guys like Rivera and Joe Nathan so special.

 

Not everyone can be an ace reliever.

[Laika]

Stupid to say that they *should* have traded him when we don't even know what would be offered. Sure, they could possibly have made a profit trading Janssen. Was the right deal out there? We have no idea.

 

This article is a great example of absolute base level blog analytics. A 50 grade point surrounded by 30 grade writing. There's no substance here.

[ElNik2013]

Stupid to say that they *should* have traded him when we don't even know what would be offered. Sure, they could possibly have made a profit trading Janssen. Was the right deal out there? We have no idea.

 

This article is a great example of absolute base level blog analytics. A 50 grade point surrounded by 30 grade writing. There's no substance here.

 

 

 

You make a good point, but it's better to just bash the team despite the fact that some of us who're doing the bashing picked them to win around 90 games, it's just the way it works.

[Howard Roark]

A top-150 prospect would have been an excellent return for a junkballer failed starter who is riding the Luck Dragon to a good season. Especially considering that it would come from a position of strength and we literally have like 2 or 3 internal replacements for him as we speak.

 

But I guess we're rolling with a 10-man, 3-closer bullpen next year and riding that beast all the way to the WS, right guys? FFS.......

[ElNik2013]

A top-150 prospect would have been an excellent return for a junkballer failed starter who is riding the Luck Dragon to a good season. Especially considering that it would come from a position of strength and we literally have like 2 or 3 internal replacements for him as we speak.

 

But I guess we're rolling with a 10-man, 3-closer bullpen next year and riding that beast all the way to the WS, right guys? FFS.......

 

 

 

It can still happen in the offseason. I certainly don't see how they can pay both Santos and Janssen 4M each next year, it makes no sense. I think you trade the guy who will get you a better return, I'd imagine that's Janssen, but who knows.

[Laika]

You make a good point, but it's better to just bash the team despite the fact that some of us who're doing the bashing picked them to win around 90 games, it's just the way it works.

 

This team should have won close to ninety games. The Blue Jays have been remarkably unlucky this year. But just because the team, in this one particular season, should have won a lot of games doesn't mean that the process was good.

 

Actually, it all kind of seems like Karmic Justice, that everything blew up in their faces after so much bad process. That's where some of the smug team bashing comes from, I suppose.

[Howard Roark]

It can still happen in the offseason. I certainly don't see how they can pay both Santos and Janssen 4M each next year, it makes no sense. I think you trade the guy who will get you a better return, I'd imagine that's Janssen, but who knows.

 

I'd rather keep Santos; younger and much better stuff.

 

This FO stopped making sense a long time ago. Making the obvious moves, the no-brainers, now takes a back seat to rimming the casuals. It's not like they pay close enough attention to even notice these moves anyhow, the bandwaggoners will always show up for a winner, but this obvious truth somehow eludes this organization.

[Howard Roark]

Actually, it all kind of seems like Karmic Justice, that everything blew up in their faces after so much bad process.

 

That's been my sole consolation this season. Incompetence rightly deserves failure, it's been darkly satisfying to see these shortsighted buffoons reap what they sowed.

[ElNik2013]

This team should have won close to ninety games. The Blue Jays have been remarkably unlucky this year. But just because the team, in this one particular season, should have won a lot of games doesn't mean that the process was good.

 

Actually, it all kind of seems like Karmic Justice, that everything blew up in their faces after so much bad process. That's where some of the smug team bashing comes from, I suppose.

 

 

I just find it hard to continually bash the team when I picked them to win 90 games even if I was fine with continuing to rebuild through the farm and by acquiring guys like Rasmus, Escobar, etc. I've certainly gone on some rants at the team myself before getting over the disappointment and frustration. I can see where some are coming from when such a promising group of prospects was given up to contend now and the team has tanked.

[Boxcar]

Stupid to say that they *should* have traded him when we don't even know what would be offered. Sure, they could possibly have made a profit trading Janssen. Was the right deal out there? We have no idea.

 

This article is a great example of absolute base level blog analytics. A 50 grade point surrounded by 30 grade writing. There's no substance here.

 

Given our lack of faith in the front office, I think it is reasonable to guess that Janssen wasn't moved because he was viewed as too important to next year's campaign. We don't know if there was a deal out there, but we can make assumptions based on deals in the recent past.

 

- Pirates traded Octavio Dotel to L.A. for James McDonald and Andrew Lambo.

- Nationals traded half a season of Matt Capps (who was having a career year in an otherwise s***** career) for Wilson Ramos and Joe Testa. Boom, that would be an instant 2 win upgrade on JPA.

- Astros traded Brad Lidge and Eric Bruntlett for Michael Bourn, and two other scrubs. Think this one kinda worked out.

 

If those deals were out there, and I assume there had to be a few, Alex is an idiot. We'll never know, but does anyone think he'd have pulled the trigger if someone offered a catcher upgrade?

[leaffie]

Given our lack of faith in the front office, I think it is reasonable to guess that Janssen wasn't moved because he was viewed as too important to next year's campaign. We don't know if there was a deal out there, but we can make assumptions based on deals in the recent past.

 

- Pirates traded Octavio Dotel to L.A. for James McDonald and Andrew Lambo.

- Nationals traded half a season of Matt Capps (who was having a career year in an otherwise s***** career) for Wilson Ramos and Joe Testa. Boom, that would be an instant 2 win upgrade on JPA.

- Astros traded Brad Lidge and Eric Bruntlett for Michael Bourn, and two other scrubs. Think this one kinda worked out.

 

If those deals were out there, and I assume there had to be a few, Alex is an idiot. We'll never know, but does anyone think he'd have pulled the trigger if someone offered a catcher upgrade?

 

Or maybe he wasn't moved because no one offered enough. You guys always assume that the reason there were no changes, was AA's fault. But you would be the same ones ripping him a new one, if they traded him and got a low minor prospect for him.

 

Neil Huntington was on XM, and he said that in all his years with baseball, he has never seen a trade deadline like it. Too many teams think they are still in it and won't trade, or the ones that had pieces wanted so much that it was impossible to make a trade. With the way the draft has changed, no one is going to give up anything that has even a chance to be valuable to a team.

[ElNik2013]

Nope, because when he had a presser with the media he went into depth about all the positions that need upgrade , catcher was not one he mentioned.

 

Gibbons has also said that JPA has improved a lot this year and is going to be a great catcher so honestly I think this team is going forward with JPA

 

 

I don't put much stock into what they say publicly. I do think Gibbons seems to like JPA's power and since he's very close to AA, I find that combination very ominous.

 

What they do with the C position will be very telling in terms of their identification of the problems with this team.

[TheHurl]

What we get instead is a whole load of bs posts from idiots like you who have no idea what REAL teams are offering for our players. You keep pushing for them to dump their most productive veterans this season. Ok, smart guy ( sarcasm ), tell me about any trades that occured during this season ( ANY TEAM ) that involved productive veterans being sent away for valuable future pieces. Must be a ton of them given how sure you are about your ideas.

 

Honestly, its just a blur of fantasy land ideas from guys like you. Are you suggesting that every REAL GM is baseball just can't measure up to your incredible talent in building a baseball team ? ( sarcasm again )

 

You should send in your resume to the Jays I'm sure they'll hire you based on your posts. ( sarcasm again )

 

You are the most annoying f***ing poster on this board {no sarcasm] please post here from now on...http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&webtag=ml-bluejays

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

You are the most annoying f***ing poster on this board {no sarcasm] please post here from now on...http://www.forums.mlb.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=messages&webtag=ml-bluejays

 

Wow, all I can say to you is you childish little dik. Honestly, I'd love to meet you in person and address your attitude man to man. You are not

alone on here, there are numerous people on here who act like 15 year olds who think they are somehow entitled to something. But seriously,

this is fantasy chat about baseball, and the sheer extent that some of you take your hobby is momentously stupid at times.

 

Keeping it real. In no way do I give you one ounce of respect when you post this kind of crap.

[Howard Roark]

Honestly, I'd love to meet you in person and address your attitude man to man.

 

South-west corner of Yonge/Bloor at midnight is the designated IRL Battleground. You have to formally challenge him bro, then you guys can set a date. There's a formal process that must be adhered to.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Excellent post, 10/10. Exceptional content, eloquently worded, very constructive, glad I read it.

 

No, I'm not going to f***ing label my sarcasm.

 

Probably about as glad as I was seeing the same running joke about "ace relievers" a few dozen times. But you know what, if some of you kids want

to just keep throwing dirt around, I'm game. Hope you are perceptive enough to understand this.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

I'm laughing so hard right now, I love internet tough guys

 

1v1 me fgt

 

Shouldn't you be abusing the female posters calling them "****" ? I've noted that the Hurler is into it. Let's just say I'm onto the games on here.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

South-west corner of Yonge/Bloor at midnight is the designated IRL Battleground. You have to formally challenge him bro, then you guys can set a date. There's a formal process that must be adhered to.

 

Its funny that he/she has a pic of Vic Rauter on this forum, but seems to have more of the demeanour/approach of Debbie.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

If you don't like it here I am pretty sure there's a prosportadaily forum for the jays which would very much welcome your idiotic, rage inducing, argument starting posts.

 

Let's keep it real. You started this argument. The Hurler felt the need to prolong it. There isn't even any wiggle room on this, neither one of you stayed on topic.

[TheHurl]

Its funny that he/she has a pic of Vic Rauter on this forum, but seems to have more of the demeanour/approach of Debbie.

Debbie Rauter, love her approach.