Davidi: Payroll will be at least $140 M next year

[8D]

Nothing against grass, but isn't it embarrassing enough to have drunk jays' fans? Imagine high Jays' fans. On the other hand, they may behave much better than the drunks so you might be on to something here.

 

It would be hysterical. All the stoners would laugh their asses off at all the miscues on the field.

[John_Havok]

So the jays are right now at 110 million without any arb raises or option pickups, including the buyouts of DeRosa and Lind, and assuming Davis is not re-signed, Boni and Lincoln non-tendered and DeRosa bought out.

 

Lind will be picked up for his 7m option probably(add 5m), and I think Colby coming back on a short term extension is likely (maybe the same type of deal that Edwin got, just maybe a few less dollars). Counting on him for 7 million in 2014 is probably close, maybe even conservative. So now up to 122 million.

 

1st time arb guys who will certainly be retained are Rogers and Cecil. Both so far without injury issues, one of them a reliever only, the other was a reliever turned starter. Recent compatibles from 2012 and 2013 place Cecil about 1m, Rogers maybe 1.5. So that's 124.5 million. League minimums for those in their first 3 years would total about 12 million, so we're up to 136.5 without even considering what these clowns will give JPA, probably 2m is close. Hope he's traded or outright released, but lets say they do retain at 2m and Janssen at 4 million option, that's 142.5 million and here's your roster.

 

C - JPA

1b - Edwin

2b - Izturis

SS - Reyes

3b - Lawrie

LF- Cabrera

CF - Rasmus

RF - Bautista

DH - Lind

 

Bench (using current roster guys only)

Kawasaki

Thole

Sierra

Gose

 

SP(without options)

Dickey

Morrow

Buerhle

Happ

Rogers

 

BP

Janssen

Santos

McGowan

Delabar

Cecil

Loup

J. Perez

 

SP depth - Hutchison, Drabek, Nolin, Jenkins

Pen depth - Weber, Redmond, L. Perez, Wagner, Schwimer, Jeffress

Other position players: Goins, Gomez, AJ Jimenez.

 

38 spots on the 40 man roster. 2 empty spots on the 40 man with huge needs on the bench, rotation, catcher and LF unless you still believe in Cabrera.

[Howard Roark]

That's just it... The payroll is going to be round 140 with pretty much the same team on the field as this year. Announcing that it's going to increase to 140 really means nothing

 

I was waiting for somebody to point out the obvious. It was too depressing a task to take on myself.

 

-le sigh-

Edited August 5, 2013 by Howard Roark

[RIPEXPOS]

What hurts most is knowing that the money was there to get Darvish....

[John_Havok]

Hypothetical, somehow trade Cabrera, resigning Davis at 3 million and having a Gose/Davis platoon in LF. Save 5 million, upgrading defense in LF and not losing out on a ton of offense from this year from that position. Also keeps a speed option on the bench. Use the 5 million to try and upgrade the bench...

 

Lets face it at 140 million, we're going to see basically the same product on the field next year, and hope for a different result, unless AA makes some significant moves in the offseason, which is possible, but unlikely to be the kind that would open up the kind of payroll needed to land a guy like Choo, who would be perfect for this team.

[John_Havok]

Another option, turfing JPA and trading Janssen, saving 6m to put towards a catcher like Ruiz who you might be able to get for 5-6, upgrades defense behind the plate and doesn't really downgrade the pen.

[Chappy]

So the jays are right now at 110 million without any arb raises or option pickups, including the buyouts of DeRosa and Lind, and assuming Davis is not re-signed, Boni and Lincoln non-tendered and DeRosa bought out.

 

Lind will be picked up for his 7m option probably(add 5m), and I think Colby coming back on a short term extension is likely (maybe the same type of deal that Edwin got, just maybe a few less dollars). Counting on him for 7 million in 2014 is probably close, maybe even conservative. So now up to 122 million.

 

1st time arb guys who will certainly be retained are Rogers and Cecil. Both so far without injury issues, one of them a reliever only, the other was a reliever turned starter. Recent compatibles from 2012 and 2013 place Cecil about 1m, Rogers maybe 1.5. So that's 124.5 million. League minimums for those in their first 3 years would total about 12 million, so we're up to 136.5 without even considering what these clowns will give JPA, probably 2m is close. Hope he's traded or outright released, but lets say they do retain at 2m and Janssen at 4 million option, that's 142.5 million and here's your roster.

 

C - JPA

1b - Edwin

2b - Izturis

SS - Reyes

3b - Lawrie

LF- Cabrera

CF - Rasmus

RF - Bautista

DH - Lind

 

Bench (using current roster guys only)

Kawasaki

Thole

Sierra

Gose

 

SP(without options)

Dickey

Morrow

Buerhle

Happ

Rogers

 

BP

Janssen

Santos

McGowan

Delabar

Cecil

Loup

J. Perez

 

SP depth - Hutchison, Drabek, Nolin, Jenkins

Pen depth - Weber, Redmond, L. Perez, Wagner, Schwimer, Jeffress

Other position players: Goins, Gomez, AJ Jimenez.

 

38 spots on the 40 man roster. 2 empty spots on the 40 man with huge needs on the bench, rotation, catcher and LF unless you still believe in Cabrera.

 

I could see AA go after a 2B upgrade and another #3 or better SP. I think he rolls with Cabrera as the LF next season unless they don't think he will be healthy by then. JPA probably sticks around as well. Izturis moves to the bench and Rogers moves to the pen and that is probably the team. Maybe a couple relievers get traded as well.

[Chappy]

If the Jays plan on upping payroll, there better not be some real lean years on the horizon.

 

You either spend as a big boy team, or you don't.

 

Time will tell. AA has to fix this mess in the winter or it could get real ugly. He needs to find a couple upgrades in the winter and we probably need one of Stroman, Nolin or Hutch to step up big next year and run with a rotation spot when injuries hit.

 

If AA can deal off some of the excess BP depth, sign Rasmus to a team friendly extension (which I think is likely), cut some of the excess like Boni, and plug the hole we have at 2B and address the rotation with another #3 or better, this team could be pretty decent.

[TheHurl]

John, remove Sierra from your list. He's got to be done here...he's out of options and no way they can guarantee him a major league spot. I'd guess that his spot on the 40 man will go to Pillar.

[John_Havok]

John, remove Sierra from your list. He's got to be done here...he's out of options and no way they can guarantee him a major league spot. I'd guess that his spot on the 40 man will go to Pillar.

 

Oh probably. I was more so just using his name to illustrate who is on the roster right now with the 140 million dollar figure that was just put out there by the brass. Even if it is Pillar, makes no difference to payroll since he and Sierra would both make league minimum. Probably a better option than Sierra though from a performance standpoint

[Howard Roark]

We need grass in the RC ASAP.

 

I think we're going to get just that sooner rather than later. If they stink again in '14, they'll do it just for the positive PR at that point.

 

And while they're at it FFS change the seat/fence colour to that nice classy dark green a lot of teams have, I hate this cold institutional blue that dominates the place.

[Howard Roark]

What hurts most is knowing that the money was there to get Darvish....

 

BRB, suicide.

[Pete_7]

I really want choo..what kind of contact is he looking at?

 

Boras client, doesn't matter what he will command $ wise, he ain't coming here

[GD]

Anybody want to armchair GM?

 

You're given the following and and payroll max of $145 million. What do you do?

 

C - Molina (5)

1B - Encarnacion (9)

2B - Reyes (16)

3B - Lawrie (nm)

SS - Ryan (3)

LF - Gose (nm)

CF - Rasmus (arb3)

RF - Bautista (14)

DH - Lind (7 - 2 buyout)

 

BN - Thole (1.25)

BN - Davis (3)

BN - Izturis (3)

BN - Moore (nm)

 

SP - Dickey (12)

SP - Morrow (8)

SP - Buehrle (18)

SP - Johnson (11)

SP - Hutchison (nm)

SP - Baker (1/2incentives)

SP - Stroman (nm)

SP - Nolin (nm)

SP - Richards (nm+5)

SP - Garcia (nm)

SP - Buckel (nm)

SP - Drabek (nm)

SP - Jenkins (nm)

SP - McGuire (nm)

 

BP - Janssen (4 - team option)

BP - McGowan (1.5)

BP - Rogers (arb1)

BP - Cecil (arb1)

BP - Delabar (nm)

BP - Loup (nm)

BP - Stilson (nm)

BP - Marcum (2)

 

-Non tender Bonifacio and Lincoln

-Let DeRosa, Oliver walk

-Rajai signed (2/6 + 1/3 option)

-Happ to Washington for Tyler Moore

-Romero + cash to Anaheim for Garrett Richards

-Santos to the Dodgers for Onelki Garcia

-Johnson signed (3/33)

-Melky to the Rangers for Cody Buckel

-Marcum signed (1/2)

-Baker signed (1/2, incentives)

 

That, right there, is $124.75m, not including the arb cases. What I believe all this would allow us to do would be getting younger without losing too much talent. If the season started out poorly, we'd be able to start a nice little fire sale, but the team still has the tools to be quite competitive imo. We'd have a lot of young depth. Molina would be there to frame excellently and maybe mentor Jimenez and Thole a bit. We could finally move Reyes to 2nd and put Ryan at SS. I obviously focused quite a bit on pitching depth.

 

Obviously, I have no clue of the viability of any of this. But this is what I'd try and do.

[TheHurl]

Time will tell. AA has to fix this mess in the winter or it could get real ugly. He needs to find a couple upgrades in the winter and we probably need one of Stroman, Nolin or Hutch to step up big next year and run with a rotation spot when injuries hit.

 

If AA can deal off some of the excess BP depth, sign Rasmus to a team friendly extension (which I think is likely), cut some of the excess like Boni, and plug the hole we have at 2B and address the rotation with another #3 or better, this team could be pretty decent.

 

I think that's the best hope No need to rush Stroman to the 40 man. Have him there for worst case scenario or if he blows them away in Spring. Get the f*** rid of Luis Perez, I don't care if he's lights out in winter league or anything else. Stop wasting 40 man spots on relievers that can't stay healthy enough to pitch. It's not a mess I'd like to have to fix. Even if they spend $165M plus...they are wasting assets to bring in new assets.

[Chappy]

I still think another 3 leaves us two 3s and bunch of 4s and 5s.

 

Yeah probably. Obviously a #2 type would be better, I highly doubt we get a legit ace. This team will need to be built around strong depth in the rotation and pen and an upgrade at 2B would go a long way. The depth in the minors for the rotation should be solid with Hutch, Stroman and Nolin, as well as Rogers likely starting off the year in the pen. If AA can bring in a legit SP and upgrade 2B, this team will at least have a chance, even if it isn't a great one.

[fatcowxlive]

Then lets throw all that cash at Andrew Friedman.

 

Exactly. Can't we just buy rival GMs? Didn't the Raptors do it? Can the same be done in Baseball?

[GD]

Can't we just buy rival GMs? Didn't the Raptors do it? Can the same be done in Baseball?

 

Yes, but a.) MLSE has a whole f***ing lot of money, b.) they realized a change in regime was needed, and c.) Ujiri was severely underpaid. His contract now probably makes him paid quite well, but I have to assume Freidman would cost one hell of a lot more, if he'd even want to come here at all.

[Terminator]

C - Molina (5)

1B - Encarnacion (9)

2B - Reyes (16)

3B - Lawrie (nm)

SS - Ryan (3)

LF - Gose (nm)

CF - Rasmus (arb3)

RF - Bautista (14)

DH - Lind (7 - 2 buyout)

 

BN - Thole (1.25)

BN - Davis (3)

BN - Izturis (3)

BN - Moore (nm)

 

 

Well that certainly improves our defense.

[jays_fever]

Yes, but a.) MLSE has a whole f***ing lot of money, b.) they realized a change in regime was needed, and c.) Ujiri was severely underpaid. His contract now probably makes him paid quite well, but I have to assume Freidman would cost one hell of a lot more, if he'd even want to come here at all.

 

I think hes making 3 million a season now, or something like 3 years for 10 million,pretty big pay raise from the 500k he was making in denver

[Frenchsoup]

I would seriously consider going after loney and trading lind, the guy is a platoon player at this point and bad defense.

[GNick]

"Anthopoulos has yet to receive a payroll figure for 2014, but pointed out that “we won’t be going backwards,” from the current $120 million, and a reasonable guess for next year is something in the $140 million range. But with the new Fox and TBS TV contracts kicking in next year and pumping in about $800 million annually into the industry, that estimate could be light."

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/davidi-upgrades-to-jays-roster-wont-come-easy/

 

He seems to imply that could go even higher than $140 Mil.

 

Discuss

 

Good to see but if not spent right....

 

Last 3 years, team who had the best winter never made the playoffs the next year. Red Sox/Miami/Jays

[GD]

Well that certainly improves our defense.

 

Which is another thing I was aiming for. That's probably a plus defensive team with the additions of Ryan, Molina, Gose, and Reyes (2B).

 

I think hes making 3 million a season now, or something like 3 years for 10 million,pretty big pay raise from the 500k he was making in denver

 

I think $5m.

[FireAlexAnthopoulos]

I wonder what the perception of Toronto is like around the league after this disaster. I can't imagine we're going to be a very popular destination. Who wants to play in Canada with a bunch of past-their-prime losers who haven't made the playoffs in 2 decades?

 

Are you kidding? Overrated "stars" will flock to Toronto to get overpaid and not have to deal with any expectations.

[Pete_7]

I would seriously consider going after loney and trading lind, the guy is a platoon player at this point and bad defense.

 

Just buy Lind out, sign Loney

[Frenchsoup]

Just buy Lind out, sign Loney

 

Yea either way, i think you could get a little something for him though

[Angrioter]

Just buy Lind out, sign Loney

 

Yea either way, i think you could get a little something for him though

 

Sign Jeff Keppinger bandwagon 2.0?

 

Loney is s***. He hit like a 2B.

[Terminator]

Which is another thing I was aiming for. That's probably a plus defensive team with the additions of Ryan, Molina, Gose, and Reyes (2B).

 

Yeah, definitely a much improved defense.

 

Ryan > Reyes

Gose > Melky

Molina > JPA

Reyes > Izturis

 

7-8-9 of that lineup is going to be painful to watch though. Not that our current lineup is much better.

[Angrioter]

Yeah, definitely a much improved defense.

 

Ryan > Reyes

Gose > Melky

Molina > JPA

Reyes > Izturis

 

7-8-9 of that lineup is going to be painful to watch though. Not that our current lineup is much better.

 

Ryan is a designated defende. The guy can't hit the MLB pitching and therefore can't play every day.

 

zero-sum game: Bat - 9 + Glove +8 = -1

[GD]

7-8-9 of that lineup is going to be painful to watch though. Not that our current lineup is much better.

 

Reyes

Bautista

Lind

Encarnacion

Rasmus

Lawrie

Gose

Ryan

Molina

 

That's actually a pretty decent lineup. Ryan and Molina can't hit for s***, but if Gose can get on base at all, as he did this year (.347 wOBA), he'll cause havoc on the base paths. Only a couple weak spots in there. Not to mention, our bench would be pretty productive. Moore, Thole, Izturis and Davis can all be quality hitters when used correctly