Rangers have looked at Stanton, Bautista, Encarnacion

[Angrioter]

Who has a higher ceiling with their bat? Profar or Teveras?

 

Tavarez but............Profar is a above-average bat at premium position.

[Dr Negative]

Trading Bautista is a no-brainer, too bad it won't happen.

[BarrysSyringe]

Tavarez but............Profar is a above-average bat at premium position.

I know that profar plays a more premium posistion but say the cards are interested in bau, i would love to see teveras and colton wong in a package for bautista. I would rather have a higher cieling bat

[Angrioter]

I know that profar plays a more premium posistion but say the cards are interested in bau, i would love to see teveras and colton wong in a package for bautista. I would rather have a higher cieling bat

 

Taveras + Wong? ---- No way.

[BarrysSyringe]

Taveras + Wong? ---- No way.

I meant in a package with bautista not just bautista for Taveras****** and Kolten**** Wong

[BarrysSyringe]

For future reference, they are spelt Taveras and Kolten

thank you for that

[Dr Negative]

I know that profar plays a more premium posistion but say the cards are interested in bau, i would love to see teveras and colton wong in a package for bautista. I would rather have a higher cieling bat

 

The Cards have Beltran and Holliday at the corner outfield positions. Their only obvious needs are SS and CF.

[BarrysSyringe]

The Cards have Beltran and Holliday at the corner outfield positions. Their only obvious needs are SS and CF.

I know beltran is older but i could see them moving him to center to make room

[BarrysSyringe]

That would be the worst defensive outfield in the history of baseball. Worst then ours and ours is pretty bad. Rasmus is our only good Outfielder and he should be playing LF.

How? Do you know how many GG Beltran has had. I know he is older now but he can still cover decent ground. I don't get why people think Bautista is a bad outfielder. He has average range but a plus arm. That makes him an above average outfielder

[jays_fever]

Beltran was winning gold gloves when he was in his 20's. Those days are long gone. You know the expression a player has lost a step? Well he has lost 2. He can't play CF on a major league team especially in that ballpark. Holliday and Bautista are both very poor Outfielders. Bautista is actually much better and hes below average with a plus throwing arm.

 

Bautista isnt a bad outfielder, not sure why this keeps getting tossed around here.

[Angrioter]

You're right he isn't a bad outfielder hes a terrible one. He needs to be moved to 1B.

 

Defensive spectrum: Move the old guy from RF to 1B or DH and extend his career.

[Orgfiller]

You're right he isn't a bad outfielder hes a terrible one. He needs to be moved to 1B.

 

Bautista's a below average fielder for sure, but not a terrible one. Yes, he takes awful routes at times, but his arm makes up for a lot of his troubles getting to the ball, so he's usually below average-average.

[BabbaGanoush]

You're right he isn't a bad outfielder hes a terrible one. He needs to be moved to 1B.

 

Are you f***ing high? Terrible? Why is suddenly cool to s*** on all the Jays players?

[Angrioter]

Bautista has excellent hands. The move to 1B would be quite smooth. Accurate throws to second base would be nice as well. We need to improve every position defensively outside of 3B.

 

The first base don't need be a good defender, he just need hit the ball like Fielder.

 

GG at 1B = Making love with Rosie O'donnell.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Seriously. And Bautista's reputation right now gives AA leverage to get a kickass return (i.e. Profar) despite his declining numbers.

 

But AA, being a moron, will hold on to him for way too long and we'll be stuck with him when he's a washed-up scrub.

 

You are so lost in stats his funny. Bautista and his "declining numbers" !!! He remains one of the best hitters in the game, and quality hitters often remain good long after marginal hitters do. Paul Molitor was how old when they won the World Series ? And he's nicely on contract multi-year at a time when baseball is flush with cash and quality free agents are getting expensive.

 

And, predictably, you end with your usual crap to complain about AA on EVERY SINGLE TOPIC THAT COMES UP.

 

If trading a guy like Bautista is such a must do thing, why is it that I have a hard time thinking about a guy like this moving in years unless their contract is up ? Oh ya, I guess its as frequent as teams the caliber of Toronto doing a complete purge of their team.

 

You have serious perspective problems. Get yourself off your spreadsheets and think a little.

[Angrioter]

You are so lost in stats his funny. Bautista and his "declining numbers" !!! He remains one of the best hitters in the game, and quality hitters often remain good long after marginal hitters do. Paul Molitor was how old when they won the World Series ? And he's nicely on contract multi-year at a time when baseball is flush with cash and quality free agents are getting expensive.

 

And, predictably, you end with your usual crap to complain about AA on EVERY SINGLE TOPIC THAT COMES UP.

 

If trading a guy like Bautista is such a must do thing, why is it that I have a hard time thinking about a guy like this moving in years unless their contract is up ? Oh ya, I guess its as frequent as teams the caliber of Toronto doing a complete purge of their team.

 

You have serious perspective problems. Get yourself off your spreadsheets and think a little.

 

Like you nickname but this is better ---------------> hottest dicks prevail.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

You're right he isn't a bad outfielder hes a terrible one. He needs to be moved to 1B.

 

This is one of the stupidest posts I've read on this forum. Bautista would look good in almost any teams OF. There are dozens

of 1B/DH types in baseball; what a terrible waste it would be to put him there. But you know what, you fit right into the usual

bitch fest about putting down our best players and propping up every prospect like they are the solution to everything.

 

With Bautista, this team is a possible World Series contender in 2014. They just need to make a couple of good moves. Without him,

its a rebuild phase that sees almost every current vet in 2016 not on contract or due a major upgrade in money if they are any good.

 

EE might be a better choice to move given the redundancies on the team. Better be a damn good trade though the guy is clutch.

[IronLadle]

This is one of the stupidest posts I've read on this forum. Bautista would look good in almost any teams OF. There are dozens

of 1B/DH types in baseball; what a terrible waste it would be to put him there. But you know what, you fit right into the usual

bitch fest about putting down our best players and propping up every prospect like they are the solution to everything.

 

With Bautista, this team is a possible World Series contender in 2014. They just need to make a couple of good moves. Without him,

its a rebuild phase that sees almost every current vet in 2016 not on contract or due a major upgrade in money if they are any good.

 

EE might be a better choice to move given the redundancies on the team. Better be a damn good trade though the guy is clutch.

 

I'll take EE over Bautista. Bautista probably brings more trade value and Encarnacion is the better hitter at this point, without Bautista the Jays still have a good offence.

 

If the Jays were offered Profar and a couple other good prospects, I'd make the trade and throw in one of our relievers.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Possibly well could be, though he's still very young and I haven't been pleased with the way the Rangers have been using him. If he's up in the Majors, he should be playing everyday, plain and simple. He shouldn't be flipped around the diamond as much as he has been.

 

Impossible to know when he's too young and hasn't really had a strong year under minimal playing time. Problem is, the clock is already running on when he would have to be signed for big money down the road. What you'd have to do is pull up a reliable list of similar guys in the past and see how many of them became great and how many disappointed. What I'd note is guys like Harper and Trout were just good immediately, even Lawrie was really good his first go around. That's got to indicate some risk even if plenty of people think he's on the superstar track.

[admin]

Bautista for Profar is not really a rebuild..... its the kind of smart baseball move the Rays would make to continue to contend into the future.

 

Get Profar and sign McCann, you save money, get younger, and the on field product is better

 

Bingo.

The Rays also wouldn't have traded half their farm for players who could have been signed in free agency a year earlier.

[flafson]

How you guys can say Bautista is terrible on defense is beyond me. He's a pretty good fielder and an accurate cannon of an arm, only thing better is if he had Rasmus range and speed as well but then again, Rasmus doesn't have an arm.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

I'm a Bautista fan. I understand having in RF in theory is more valueable. But this team is very poor defensively and changes need to be made. Our pitchers get destroyed by BABIP that's because of poor defense.

 

The only situation I would trade Bautista is if we get a potential franchise changing young player. Profar potentially fits that mold also premimum position. This team as it stands does not have a chance at world series. We need more speed in the outfield, we need to get to more balls, and we need to make more plays. That's not stupid. Teams that win are excellent defensively.

 

The stupid part was using the term "terrible". The rest I can live with, its your opinion. I don't agree on the World Series chances.

 

I've been interested in Profar for months, but the Texas/Toronto situation was never ideal. Sure we need better defence, but I think you are focussed on the wrong guy. I look at guys like Cabrera ( post steroids ), Bonofocio, Arencebia. Hopefully the OF can hit well too. My idea is Cabrera becomes full time DH, and the other two guys are gone. While I can't rule out Cabrera having legit injuries, I suspect these post steroid guys may end up always having nagging injuries. Maybe as a DH he stays healthy and can concentrate on his hitting.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Bingo.

The Rays also wouldn't have traded half their farm for players who could have been signed in free agency a year earlier.

 

I suspect the Rays would never have traded Longoria to get Myers. That would be a closer analogy to discuss. The Rays without Longoria I

believe couldn't compete this year, no matter how good their pitching was. Can the Jays compete without Bautista ? I'm not so sure they can.

[Chappy]

I suspect the Rays would never have traded Longoria to get Myers. That would be a closer analogy to discuss. The Rays without Longoria I

believe couldn't compete this year, no matter how good their pitching was. Can the Jays compete without Bautista ? I'm not so sure they can.

 

Bautista isn't even the best hitter on this team anymore. He is still a great hitter but its clear he is declining and Edwin is the better hitter now and so is Reyes.

 

This team can trade Bautista and get away with it if they sign another bat in the winter. That being said its not going to happen, so it doesn't really matter.

[Nox]

I suspect the Rays would never have traded Longoria to get Myers.

 

Well no kidding. They only signed Longoria to the best contract in the history of the free agency era. You're comparing apples and oranges.

[GNick]

He's 20...

 

So wasn't Wood and Lawrie...didn't make them a star. Now, Trout or Harper at 20, different story. Can understand the hype

[Captain Adama]

So wasn't Wood and Lawrie...didn't make them a star. Now, Trout or Harper at 20, different story. Can understand the hype

 

Wood made his debut at 22 and didn't get 300 PA until he was 25, and Profar has about the same PA's when Lawrie turned 22, so no...not the same.

[Deadpool]

Bautista isnt a bad outfielder, not sure why this keeps getting tossed around here.

 

Bautista's plus skill in the OF is his arm, which is deadly. He's got about average speed and takes well below average routes to the ball. He doesn't have the instincts that Cleatus has, and that is what makes one good and the other below average.

 

His arm makes up for some deficiency (much like Rajai's speed makes up for the fact that he takes terrible routes to the ball and throws at a barely-above-Damon level.) but he is still, as a whole, a below average defender in the OF.

 

As for trading him? Profar ++ and I'd be very, very seriously considering it.

[jays_fever]

Bautista's plus skill in the OF is his arm, which is deadly. He's got about average speed and takes well below average routes to the ball. He doesn't have the instincts that Cleatus has, and that is what makes one good and the other below average.

 

His arm makes up for some deficiency (much like Rajai's speed makes up for the fact that he takes terrible routes to the ball and throws at a barely-above-Damon level.) but he is still, as a whole, a below average defender in the OF.

 

As for trading him? Profar ++ and I'd be very, very seriously considering it.

 

He makes routine plays out there and like you said, his arm makes up for some of the balls he can't get to. If you wanted to be precise, I'd say he were a slightly below average outfielder, all things considered. But he doesn't hurt the team by being out there everyday.

My point was just that he gets a lot of slack by some here, when it is unwarrented.

[jays_fever]

And yes I'd trade him for profar plus someone like odor or Perez. Taveres I'd so straight up easily as well