How can we hang onto Kawasaki after Reyes returns? (realistically)

[itsawrap]

Sending Kawasaki down is bad karma. This guy's got the mojo

[imsorry4beatinU]

Melky and Dickey should go on the DL. Dickey has to have some minor injury and Melky needs to rest that hammy, it hurts watching him run.

[flafson]

Dickey will improve, he started to get his velocity back today, was as high as 82mph today.

[blackjays21]

We have to keep Kawasaki up... Everybody's gelling , smiling, and having fun.. We can f*** with the chemistry,

 

I would trade boni for a decent young starting pitcher in the minors..

 

Can't have enough prospects!

[KSaw]

I would DFA Bonifacio. That's not going to happen though. A reliever probably goes down. B-bye To Perez and his 0.00 ERA.

[oakville69]

You need bullpen arms because you never know if Rogers or Chi Ming Wang will fall apart. You may need a 7 inning bullpen . Jays have also played extra inning games. Ginbby knows how to manage a bullpen.

[KSaw]

Sure but 7 is plenty. 8 is overkill. There only 2 reasons for an 8 man pen and they are Perez impressing so much it's hard to send him back and McGowan not having Gibby's confidence yet. And to be really honest, Lincoln was amazing in his last few appearances and only went down because he had a tired overworked arm after an 18 inning game and the team needed someone rested.

[ElNik2013]

Sure but 7 is plenty. 8 is overkill. There only 2 reasons for an 8 man pen and they are Perez impressing so much it's hard to send him back and McGowan not having Gibby's confidence yet. And to be really honest, Lincoln was amazing in his last few appearances and only went down because he had a tired overworked arm after an 18 inning game and the team needed someone rested.

 

 

You just described a stacked bullpen, at least it seems this way for now. I really think Wagner and Perez have really solidified this pen, especially Wagner.

[CHRIS]

You need bullpen arms because you never know if Rogers or Chi Ming Wang will fall apart. You may need a 7 inning bullpen . Jays have also played extra inning games. Ginbby knows how to manage a bullpen.

 

If they get into a scenario where they need extra arms, I'd rather see them deal with that on the fly like they were earlier in the season...rather than send Kawasaki down. I think he's shown more than just being a team mascot. Certainly more than Izturis and Boni.

[Jimcanuck]

If they get into a scenario where they need extra arms, I'd rather see them deal with that on the fly like they were earlier in the season...rather than send Kawasaki down. I think he's shown more than just being a team mascot. Certainly more than Izturis and Boni.

 

At this point it's what move can be made with least impact on team chemistry. It's pretty clear it's Juan Perez to the minors.

[flafson]

Perez doesn't have any options and he has pitched so well that someone will pick him up for sure.

Only arms with Options are Loup and Wagner and then you can also try to send McGowan cause so far he didn't show anything special but he's owed like 1.5mil.

[Jimcanuck]

Perez doesn't have any options and he has pitched so well that someone will pick him up for sure.

Only arms with Options are Loup and Wagner and then you can also try to send McGowan cause so far he didn't show anything special but he's owed like 1.5mil.

 

Dang, didn't know Perez out of options.

 

Someone needs to have a kitchen mishap.

[Caper]

Perez doesn't have any options and he has pitched so well that someone will pick him up for sure.

Only arms with Options are Loup and Wagner and then you can also try to send McGowan cause so far he didn't show anything special but he's owed like 1.5mil.

 

 

McGowan would be gone pretty quick. He has arguably the most upside in the pen.

[dmrich28]

It's obvious that McGowan is the last guy Gibbons is going to right now, but you can't risk losing him

[flafson]

It's obvious that McGowan is the last guy Gibbons is going to right now, but you can't risk losing him

 

You could extend his contract, making sure no one will pick him up or something.

[jaysblue]

I agree that Melky should be placed on the DL. He isn't at 100% and its not like he's hitting well anyways. His OPS is .688 and he's hobbling all over the place. Plus with Reyes coming back, I know the Jays want to still keep Bautista batting second, with EE batting third and Lind batting cleanup. Reyes slides into the leadoff spot, which pushes Cabrera down in the lineup, to either 6th or 7th. I think its an option they explore.

 

As for the pen, its been a team strength and I wouldn't want to mess with it by sending Loup or Wagner down. McGowan has been really useless in the pen, though for sure a team claims him if the Jays try to send him back down.

 

I doubt they DFA Izturis since they are committed to him long term and he's been hitting better. Boni has been a huge disappointment, though I think he's out of options and I think the Blue Jays still like him because he has speed and since he was part of that big deal with the Marlins. Unless you can trade Boni for a prospect etc, the Jays won't lose him for nothing.

 

The two likely scenarios I see are:

 

1) Cabrera to the DL on Monday; Reyes activated

2) Kawasaki sent down; Reyes activated

[fatcowxlive]

 

I'm guessing we drop Perez or McGowan, not being used much...

[G-Snarls]

 

I'm guessing we drop Perez or McGowan, not being used much...

 

Like like like this hint

[G-Snarls]

Sorry for having to ask this again, but who in the pen have options and who don't???

[G-Snarls]

And the obvious keepers are Janssen, Cecil, Delabar regardless of option situation.

[G-Snarls]

I still think we should be trying to trade Oliver

[GD]

 

I'm guessing we drop Perez or McGowan, not being used much...

 

Probably Perez.

 

I still think we should be trying to trade Oliver

 

+100000000

 

Sorry for having to ask this again, but who in the pen have options and who don't???

 

Loup, Delabar, Janssen, Wagner, and Perez all still have options, I believe.

[fatcowxlive]

I still think we should be trying to trade Oliver

 

I'd trade him to Texas for a hard throwing kid with options or something, Texas loves Oliver and so does Oliver lol

 

Probably Perez.

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Loup, Delabar, Janssen, Wagner, and Perez all still have options, I believe.

 

If Perez has an option then 100% he goes down, no question about it. He hasn't been used a lot (sexy 10ks in 10IP tho)

 

I think this is actually going to happen. Kawasaki has played his way onto the team with a 90 wRC+, which is outstanding for a shortstop.

 

Oliver's been mopping up since we have three other lefties. I agree Gsnarls, let's deal him.

 

And if he switches to 2B and keeps hitting, 90 wRC+ would be even sexier as a 2B, correct?

[GD]

I think this is actually going to happen. Kawasaki has played his way onto the team with a 90 wRC+, which is outstanding for a shortstop.

 

Oliver's been mopping up since we have three other lefties. I agree Gsnarls, let's deal him.

 

Oliver to the Angels for Yarbrough. PLEASE.

 

And if he switches to 2B and keeps hitting, 90 wRC+ would be even sexier as a 2B, correct?

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=2b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2013&month=0&season1=2013&ind=0&team=0,ss&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

 

Definitely wouldn't be bad.

[kcjaysfan]

Just for shits and giggles, here's Kawasaki's slash line for June, including and excluding last night's game.

 

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[td][/td]

[td]BA[/td]

[td]OBP[/td]

[td]SLG[/td]

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[td]June[/td]

[td].250[/td]

[td].372[/td]

[td].472[/td]

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[td]June (w/out June 21)[/td]

[td].219[/td]

[td].359[/td]

[td].375[/td]

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[ElNik2013]

I agree with trading Oliver, 4 lh relievers is quite the luxury and at least 2 of them can face righties as well.

 

Short term the best move might be to option Loup since he has options to avoid losing any of the guys without options. We're almost in July so trade activity should pick up soon. Then again, AA might deem Oliver's vetrin presence too valuable to trade for some career minor leaguer and may just get rid of Perez.

[Hawkguy]

Kawasaki has the fourth best OBP% among ALL Blue Jay regulars. He's trailing Lind and Encarnacion by fair margins, and he's breathing on Bautista's neck. He's ahead over everyone else from Arencibia to Rasmus to Lawrie to Izturis to even Davis.

 

Kawasaki HAS to stay. Sending him down would be a very dumb move.

 

Gibbons says he can play 2B.. great! He should see the majority of starts against RHP as long as he keeps getting on base at a .320+ clip (.341 right now) and his defense is good enough.

[RIPEXPOS]

I think the pecking order for middle/utility infielder goes

 

Reyes

 

Kawasaki

Izturis

DeRosa

Bonifacio

[Caper]

I am beginning to think Loup will get sent down.... just a temporary thing, until Oliver and Perez are traded.

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