How can we hang onto Kawasaki after Reyes returns? (realistically)

[ElNik2013]

I am beginning to think Loup will get sent down.... just a temporary thing, until Oliver and Perez are traded.

 

 

I think so too, even if they send down Loup, they'd still have 3 lhp in the bullpen, more than enough and he has options. The only concern would be that McGowan would take on a bigger role, but he's got the stuff, it's a matter of time before he pitches better, at least let's hope so.

[blackjays21]

No matter how many times u say it.. It has the same meaning bro lol....

 

Anybody notice bonifacio hasn't really been playing much.. Maybe AA is working on something...?

[Caper]

No matter how many times u say it.. It has the same meaning bro lol....

 

Anybody notice bonifacio hasn't really been playing much.. Maybe AA is working on something...?

 

Reyes also talks about how Boni is his best friend... so I don't know.

[blackjays21]

Oh I didn't hear that... I don't know what to do to keep Kawasaki up.. W.e we do we are f***ing with the chemistry.. Maybe loup goes down.. But he's been lights out..!

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Perez is obviously going to be the one. If McGowan had options... Its be him.

 

Shame, Perez is filthy.....but expendable

[Angrioter]

I am beginning to think Loup will get sent down.... just a temporary thing, until Oliver and Perez are traded.

 

 

Are you Canadian? Are you smoking crack cocaine?

 

Trade Perez for what? -- two old balls and a bag of peanut

[ElNik2013]

Perez is obviously going to be the one. If McGowan had options... Its be him.

 

Shame, Perez is filthy.....but expendable

 

 

You don't think they'll option Loup instead of losing Perez for nothing?

[eastcoastjaysfan]

You don't think they'll option Loup instead of losing Perez for nothing?

 

I'm not really a huge Loup fan (Jesse Carlson 2.0).. so I wouldn't be against this.

[ElNik2013]

I'm not really a huge Loup fan (Jesse Carlson 2.0).. so I wouldn't be against this.

 

 

 

It just seems like the best option to not lose anyone else for nothing while they try to maybe trade one of the other lefties.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

It just seems like the best option to not lose anyone else for nothing while they try to maybe trade one of the other lefties.

 

The output you get from Loup and Perez up until the ASB will probably be almost identical. I'm sure someone else gets hurt around that time and a callup will be needed. Keep as much talent in the system as possible. It'd be a shame to lose Perez.

[Hawkguy]

I'm not really a huge Loup fan (Jesse Carlson 2.0).. so I wouldn't be against this.

ummmm.. what?

 

Carlson had one good year and then busted huge.

 

Loup had a solid rookie campaign and he's following that up with a 0.64 ERA DROP this season.

 

Even in Carlson's best season, he gave up 3.2 BB/9 (3.0 career). Loup gives up 0.9 BB/9. Their H/9 are identical. Carlson's problem was always his command. Loup, for the most part, has great command.

 

Not to mention, Loup is only 25-years-old in his second year. Carlson played from 27-29 years of age.

 

Loup is going to be a reliable bullpen arm for years.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

ummmm.. what?

 

Carlson had one good year and then busted huge.

 

Loup had a solid rookie campaign and he's following that up with a 1.5 ERA DROP this season.

 

Even in Carlson's best season, he gave up 3.2 BB/9 (3.0 career). Loup gives up 0.9 BB/9. Their H/9 are identical. Carlson's problem was always his command, Loup, for the most part, has great command.

 

Not to mention, Loup is only 25-years-old in his second year. Carlson played from 27-29 years of age.

 

Loup is going to be a reliable bullpen arm for years.

 

You cannot project middle relievers even 2-3 years out... let alone "for years".

 

Loup has some nice control but is fairly reliant on that deceptive delivery. We'll see. He's intriguing. I wish the best for him.

[Hawkguy]

You cannot project middle relievers even 2-3 years out... let alone "for years".

Loup has some nice control but is fairly reliant on that deceptive delivery. We'll see. He's intriguing. I wish the best for him.

Sure you can - you just won't always be right. But that goes for most players in baseball - baseball is a weird sport, aside from the stars.

 

I know a good pitcher when I see one - Loup is one of those guys.

 

I'm not going to lie - I've been wrong lots of times. But I've been right lots of times too. And I think (and hope) this is one of the times I'm going to be right.

[ElNik2013]

The output you get from Loup and Perez up until the ASB will probably be almost identical. I'm sure someone else gets hurt around that time and a callup will be needed. Keep as much talent in the system as possible. It'd be a shame to lose Perez.

 

 

Agreed. Also, maybe around the ASB, he'll have a few more good outings thus increasing the chances that someone will give up something for him which would be better than probably losing him for nothing, especially since Loup has options.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Exactly. Would hate to lose anyone.

Option Loup for now. Re-evaluate later when you have to make another roster decision.

 

Luis Perez, Hutch, Drabek, Loup, Lincoln, Romero, Jenkins, Carreno... All experienced guys who can provide a boost down the stretch. Lots of depth.

[P2F]

Sure you can - you just won't always be right. But that goes for most players in baseball - baseball is a weird sport, aside from the stars.

 

I know a good pitcher when I see one - Loup is one of those guys.

 

I'm not going to lie - I've been wrong lots of times. But I've been right lots of times too. And I think (and hope) this is one of the times I'm going to be right.

 

So you just 100% proved ECJF's point - you can't project middle relievers with any semblance of certainty.

[Angrioter]

I'm not really a huge Loup fan (Jesse Carlson 2.0).. so I wouldn't be against this.

 

Loup 2012-2013 (66.2IP)

2.71 FIP

3.25 xFIX

1.2 WAR

[ElNik2013]

Luis Perez, Hutch, Drabek, Loup, Lincoln, Romero, Jenkins, Carreno... All experienced guys who can provide a boost down the stretch. Lots of depth.

 

 

Don't forget Stilson, oh I see, you said experienced. Stilson does need to improve his command.

[Hawkguy]

So you just 100% proved ECJF's point - you can't project middle relievers with any semblance of certainty.

Right - you can't project 95% of players with any sense of certainty.

 

Do you know how many Jays players have been "the next big thing" over even that past 15 years?

 

However, when building a team (or being a fan), you put your faith into certain guys. That's the fun of being a fan. Sometimes your right, sometimes your wrong. Yet there's no consequences. But I'm still going to have an opinion - and the kid is improving ridiculously and still very young. Why shouldn't I think he's going to continue to pitch well? He's shown nothing to say that he won't continue his current ways..

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Sure you can - you just won't always be right. But that goes for most players in baseball - baseball is a weird sport, aside from the stars.

 

I know a good pitcher when I see one - Loup is one of those guys.

 

I'm not going to lie - I've been wrong lots of times. But I've been right lots of times too. And I think (and hope) this is one of the times I'm going to be right.

 

It came out wrong when I said "I'm not a huge fan of Loup". I just don't think he's going to be a world killer ala a prime Matt Thornton. He's a keeper... good GB%.. great command.. It'll just be interesting to see what happens when the league adapts to his herky-jerky delivery.

[GD]

Don't forget Stilson, oh I see, you said experienced. Stilson does need to improve his command.

 

And Stroman could probably pitch quite well in a relief role right now.

[Angrioter]

Right - you can't project 95% of players with any sense of certainty.

 

Do you know how many Jays players have been "the next big thing" over even that past 15 years?

 

However, when building a team (or being a fan), you put your faith into certain guys. That's the fun of being a fan. Sometimes your right, sometimes your wrong. Yet there's no consequences. But I'm still going to have an opinion - and the kid is improving ridiculously and still very young. Why shouldn't I think he's going to continue to pitch well? He's shown nothing to say that he won't continue his current ways..

 

C - Robinson Diaz

1B - Chip Cannon

2B - Justin Jackson

3B - Kevin Ahrens

SS - Russ Adams

LF - Gabe Gross

CF - Mastroianni

RF - Snider

DH - Randy Ruiz/Dopirak

 

Ace - Zach Stewart/Nestor Molina

[KSaw]

Don't forget Stilson, oh I see, you said experienced. Stilson does need to improve his command.

 

And Alan Farina. There's clearly room to trade relievers. And watch out for Tyler Ybarra next Spring.

[Arkadium]

Kawasaki current WAR +0.8

Bonifacio current WAR -0.7

 

Do the right thing Alex.

[saskjayfan]

Kawasaki current WAR +0.8

Bonifacio current WAR -0.7

 

Do the right thing Alex.

 

the right thing is to trade oliver and save the money. You can still get something for oliver...go get a prospect...we have tons of arms in the bullpen and some depth at buffalo as well....option wagner until you trade oliver if you can't do it right now....there's no need to carry 8 arms in the pen with the starting pitching having eaten up so many more innings lately...you can't keep 8 arms sharp if they don't get work...

[tercet]

It amazes me how stupid most of you guys are..

 

You guys are the same idiots that were masturbating to hech last year, and somehow think perez deserves to stay long term. He is a mirage, learn sample sizes, learn that 34 year old journeyman dont suddenly get it. Also same thing in regards to kawasaki.

 

It will either be kawasaki perez or loup

[Deadpool]

It amazes me how stupid most of you guys are..

 

You guys are the same idiots that were masturbating to hech last year, and somehow think perez deserves to stay long term. He is a mirage, learn sample sizes, learn that 34 year old journeyman dont suddenly get it. Also same thing in regards to kawasaki.

 

It will either be kawasaki perez or loup

 

Oh, look who joined the forums. Great.

[itsawrap]

It amazes me how stupid most of you guys are..

 

You guys are the same idiots that were masturbating to hech last year, and somehow think perez deserves to stay long term. He is a mirage, learn sample sizes, learn that 34 year old journeyman dont suddenly get it. Also same thing in regards to kawasaki.

 

It will either be kawasaki perez or loup

 

I agree with you on Perez, but 10IP/10K/0ER is sexy af and it's hard to just DFA a guy who has been contributing like that.

 

Just DFA Bonifacio already. The guy contributes absolutely nothing. He's a light hitting free swinger who would take a hack at a ball thrown to the dugout if he thought he could get it, and his defense is a heart attack waiting to happen (as of late he's done better at 2B, but regardless). About the only thing valuable about him that others don't have is that he can play middle infield and outfield, but SO f***ING WHAT. We already have a 4th OF with speed, and if Melky ends up being sent down, then we'll have another speedster (Gose). This definitely won't happen because of his salary, but I'm just sayin...Boni's a real boner kill for this team.

[backontop]

If Paul Beeston beats AA in an arguement, Beeston is for what the fans want, AA is for winning.

[HERPDERP]

Kawasaki in Japan news:

 

http://i.imgur.com/RKP3xXM.jpg

 

translation courtesy of reddit:

 

"Kawasaki first home run in America. 'No way!'"

"118 games 290 plate appearances"

The big text at the bottom says: "35,000 cheering fans shaking from excitement¨