Yan Gomes - Another Missed Talent

[Clownthopoulos]

OPSing over 1000

already has 1.2 WAR this year

very position friendly

 

who did we give up for this guy?

 

this franchise has NO ability to see potential talent

we have not had a homegrown superstar since aaron hill was an allstar in like 08

[Caper]

He's probably not near as good as he is showing. I'm sure everyone will blame the Jays.... though on the old board almost NO ONE liked him last year.

[JaysAllMighty]

Wasn't he a troll on the old board also?

[Figgy1R22R]

Yan Gomes would be a decent back up catcher, nothing more. He's a dime a dozen.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Yan Gomes would be a decent back up catcher, nothing more. He's a dime a dozen.

 

Gomes is not a fantastic talent, but he's versatile, young, and controllable.

 

You can't just give keep giving up depth like this. We traded away SO much prospect depth for Happ and Lyon. Even if none of these guys amount to anything, they're still guys that could've made it and they make our system deeper.

 

Gomes is versatile. So is Aviles. We traded these guys for an absolutely atrocious RELIEF PITCHER

 

Think about how much better we'd be if you take away Maicer and Blanco and add in Aviles/Gomes. Maybe a few wins better? These terrible incremental moves add up and are not insignificant.

 

It was just a completely ridiculous and unncessary trade. We had a bunch of fringe starters who could've easily stepped in as solid relievers (i.e. Cecil), but AA just couldn't resist the thought of acquiring a boom or bust reliever.

 

Pathetic asset management. AA seriously could not have done a worse job over the last 1.5 years.

[Angrioter]

OPSing over 1000

already has 1.2 WAR this year

very position friendly

 

who did we give up for this guy?

 

this franchise has NO ability to see potential talent

we have not had a homegrown superstar since aaron hill was an allstar in like 08

 

Reported

Yan Gomes hit tool 3/8. He's like JPA with less power.

[digiblader]

Yan Gomes is playing over his head--and he's a backup catcher, nothing more. Carlos Santana is the starter there. He doesn't know how to take a walk either BTW.. 2 walks in 61 ABs. And there's a decent chance he goes back to AAA when Lou Marson returns.

 

If Mike Aviles is supposed to be so great, why did Boston jettison him and replace him with an underperforming Stephen Drew, who basically draws walks and not much else.

 

And remember, small sample size.

[digiblader]

Pretty much--he's going to fall back to earth, and he's only up until Lou Marson returns.

[CHRIS]

It was just a completely ridiculous and unncessary trade. We had a bunch of fringe starters who could've easily stepped in as solid relievers (i.e. Cecil), but AA just couldn't resist the thought of acquiring a boom or bust reliever.

 

Cecil's emergence seems like a perfect example of why you don't go out of your way to acquire relievers. That, and their volatility from year-to-year (looking at you Lincoln).

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Yan Gomes is playing over his head--and he's a backup catcher, nothing more. Carlos Santana is the starter there. He doesn't know how to take a walk either BTW.. 2 walks in 61 ABs. And there's a decent chance he goes back to AAA when Lou Marson returns.

 

If Mike Aviles is supposed to be so great, why did Boston jettison him and replace him with an underperforming Stephen Drew, who basically draws walks and not much else.

 

And remember, small sample size.

 

Your entire post was irrelevant.

 

Gomes and Aviles are upgrades over what we currently have. We also had zero need for another middle reliever.

 

Nobody is saying the two of them are above average. I'm saying that their average skill sets would be very welcome on our team which is filled with talentless hacks.

[saskjayfan]

Gomes is not a fantastic talent, but he's versatile, young, and controllable.

 

You can't just give keep giving up depth like this. We traded away SO much prospect depth for Happ and Lyon. Even if none of these guys amount to anything, they're still guys that could've made it and they make our system deeper.

 

Gomes is versatile. So is Aviles. We traded these guys for an absolutely atrocious RELIEF PITCHER

 

Think about how much better we'd be if you take away Maicer and Blanco and add in Aviles/Gomes. Maybe a few wins better? These terrible incremental moves add up and are not insignificant.

 

It was just a completely ridiculous and unncessary trade. We had a bunch of fringe starters who could've easily stepped in as solid relievers (i.e. Cecil), but AA just couldn't resist the thought of acquiring a boom or bust reliever.

 

Pathetic asset management. AA seriously could not have done a worse job over the last 1.5 years.

 

Gomes has had 64 plate appearances....I think you are over reacting. I'm not the biggest Rogers fan in the world, but he's not that old either and to call him Atrocious is a little overstated. Rogers has some good tools. Aviles numbers are a career high, Isturis numbers are career low numbers...these things have a way of evening out...it's still early in the season.

 

People really feel the need to define things and make judgements. I understand this and am guilty myself of this. You want to use performance and statistics to back up your arguements, but often the sample sizes simply aren't large enough.

 

I remember on the old board when I was talking about Jose Bautista being an elite player early on in the season when he was struggling and had a .750ish OPS and you said I was living in 2011...well deja vu....Jose Bautista's .955 OPS is 4th in the AL.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

I have no idea what you like about Esmil Rogers. He throws hard. Big deal. Over the past 3+ years FG has him with the 6th worst fastball for relievers... That is terrible.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=y&type=7&season=2013&month=0&season1=2010&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=3,a

[Nox]

I know I trashed Yan Gomes the other day buuuuttt

 

I just looked and his contact rates have improved nicely, above league average even. He might not be useless!! (Though obvious SSS caveats apply).

 

+1 to all things said in this thread by others re: trading young, controllable position depth for relievers. Just lol.

[oakville69]

Wasn't he a troll on the old board also?

 

Was he whiny clowntista?

[Angrioter]

I have no idea what you like about Esmil Rogers. He throws hard. Big deal. Over the past 3+ years FG has him with the 6th worst fastball for relievers... That is terrible.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=y&type=7&season=2013&month=0&season1=2010&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=3,a

 

 

My friend Esmil isn't a good pitcher (Sorry dude)

[fatcowxlive]

RELIEF PITCHER

 

*sobs*

[Arkadium]

He still won't take a walk..... he's another JP but worse

[Laika]

Yan Gomes > JP Arencibia

[Arkadium]

Yan Gomes > JP Arencibia

 

They both suck, though Gomes is probably a better catcher (can't be worse than JP).

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Gomes doesn't even suck that bad. He has some nice power and can play a bunch of different positions. There is some value in that.

 

JPA has power but can't play any position.

[Caper]

Gomes doesn't even suck that bad. He has some nice power and can play a bunch of different positions. There is some value in that.

 

JPA has power but can't play any position.

 

 

If he schmoozed them for a couple of weeks, they would probably try him at ss.

[Rajaifailedgrade1]

I'm with Eastcoast....Esmil Rogers is absolute is trash, guy can't get a clean inning...You pretty much expect at least 1 run per inning.

 

However I think Esmil Rogers might prosper in Cricket

[Sammy225]

Gomes doesn't even suck that bad. He has some nice power and can play a bunch of different positions. There is some value in that.

 

JPA has power but can't play any position.

 

That's a lie! I bet he would not make a single Error if he was a DH lol.

[wilko]

Gomes is not a fantastic talent, but he's versatile, young, and controllable.

 

You can't just give keep giving up depth like this. We traded away SO much prospect depth for Happ and Lyon. Even if none of these guys amount to anything, they're still guys that could've made it and they make our system deeper.

 

Gomes is versatile. So is Aviles. We traded these guys for an absolutely atrocious RELIEF PITCHER

 

Think about how much better we'd be if you take away Maicer and Blanco and add in Aviles/Gomes. Maybe a few wins better? These terrible incremental moves add up and are not insignificant.

 

It was just a completely ridiculous and unncessary trade. We had a bunch of fringe starters who could've easily stepped in as solid relievers (i.e. Cecil), but AA just couldn't resist the thought of acquiring a boom or bust reliever.

 

Pathetic asset management. AA seriously could not have done a worse job over the last 1.5 years.

 

I agree, both of those guys could have filled some holes this year.

[saskjayfan]

I have no idea what you like about Esmil Rogers. He throws hard. Big deal. Over the past 3+ years FG has him with the 6th worst fastball for relievers... That is terrible.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=y&type=7&season=2013&month=0&season1=2010&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=3,a

 

That's grand...you used a 20 game sample size for a vet like Bautista to say he was yesterday's man ignoring a three year sample size, but for a younger guy like Rogers you look back three years. There's no telling when the little adjustments are made to turn a bottom 6 fastball into a top 6 fastball. It's all about command. If you actually read my post you would have saw that I said I wasn't the biggest fan of Rogers, but he does have upside and was showing signs last year.

 

Aviles will come back to earth and Gomes will too. I think Rogers has the highest ceiling, but he may never find it, but both aviles and Gomes are replaceable. It's hardly the worst trade in history and the jury on it is still out.

[Nox]

I think Rogers has the highest ceiling

 

Unless he becomes Craig Kimbrel, his being a reliever makes this all but impossible.

[Daniel Labude]

OPS 930

Hitting 307

 

for a middle bullpen scrub

stop defending AA, i cant remember the last time this loser made the right move

 

What is worst is the Snider trade. Snider had two more hits today including a walkoff single.

[Arkadium]

What is worst is the Snider trade. Snider had two more hits today including a walkoff single.

 

.252 .323 .392 .714 <- this is Snider's numbers this year, vs. only righties... I'm ready to declare Snider a total bust.

[magits]

What is worst is the Snider trade. Snider had two more hits today including a walkoff single.

 

snider struggling to ops more than 700 and gomes has less than 100 PA.

[Angrioter]

Great deal

 

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?c_id=mlb&content_id=27689085&query=game_pk%3D347587