Offseason moves accumulated WAR - 1/4 season mark

[oakville69]

Yup, I've been saying this all along. They're both safe until Oct/14.

 

I doubt AA goes anywhere till the end of 2015. AA will try to trade his way out of the problems he has this year.

 

He needs Josh Johnson to pitch well till the end of July. I doubt he trades Edwin or Bautista.

[BlueJayWay]

Yan Gomes is basically JPA lite offensively.

This. People are talking about Gomes, but from what I can see, and saw last year, he's essentially another Arencibia.

[oakville69]

Ok, maybe he has holes in his wing. He's 25. Lind still can't hit LHP & he's 30. Gomes could play 3B, 1B & Catch. I would take that over Blanco who can only catch Dickey , & not perfectly either.

 

Wouldn't Gomes be more useful than Mark Derosa this year? Thole would be a better player than Banco.

 

AA has to stop wasting roster spots.

[GD]

I would take that over Blanco

 

Oh, wow, he's of more use than Henry f***ing Blanco, eh? Wow, what a really f***ing useful player he must be.

[Boxcar]

How can he be JPA lite when his OPS is higher then JPs?? His career major league OPS will end up being higher then JPs after today's 2 homers. Small sample size, ofcourse.

 

His overall minor league OPS, and his aaa OPS are both higher then JPA as well.

 

This makes no sense. He's very similiar to JP.

 

The data so far indicates he's a tad better as a hitter.

 

Ok, maybe he has holes in his wing. He's 25. Lind still can't hit LHP & he's 30. Gomes could play 3B, 1B & Catch. I would take that over Blanco who can only catch Dickey , & not perfectly either.

 

Wouldn't Gomes be more useful than Mark Derosa this year? Thole would be a better player than Banco.

 

AA has to stop wasting roster spots.

Boy, you sure are getting worked up over Yan f***ing Gomes.

[Nox]

The data so far indicates he's a tad better as a hitter.

 

No it doesn't.

 

A) JPA's career wRC+ is 7% better.

 

JPA's projected wRC+ is 15% better.

 

You're a smart enough guy. You need to drop OPS.

[jays_fever]

Random question : Was Paul Beeston brought back before or after AA took over as GM

[jays_fever]

After. IIRC it was like a month after AA was given the GM job.

 

Thats what I thought but for some reason I wanted to give AA the benefit of the doubt and blame his all in method and preference for veterans all of a sudden on Beeston but i guess thats not the case. I still dont understand how a GM does a 180 on his team building philosophy 2 years in after the team was starting to show promise.

[CHRIS]

Random question : Was Paul Beeston brought back before or after AA took over as GM

 

Our first hint of the terribleness that was to come was Beeston conducting the four-year-Indiana-Jones-like search for the next president, only to name himself the best choice.

[mitchf]

Thats what I thought but for some reason I wanted to give AA the benefit of the doubt and blame his all in method and preference for veterans all of a sudden on Beeston but i guess thats not the case. I still dont understand how a GM does a 180 on his team building philosophy 2 years in after the team was starting to show promise.

Lack of patience/competence.

 

He couldn't see through his drafts, which to be fair only ended up turning a couple of position players.

[CHRIS]

Thats what I thought but for some reason I wanted to give AA the benefit of the doubt and blame his all in method and preference for veterans all of a sudden on Beeston but i guess thats not the case. I still dont understand how a GM does a 180 on his team building philosophy 2 years in after the team was starting to show promise.

 

Maybe he realized that the organization doesn't have the competency or wherewithal to build a winner though draft and development. I'm pretty much resigned to the fact now that these deals were the only way that this team was going to have a chance to compete under this regime, as it appears unlikely that they'll be able to draft or develop players to replace the production of Bautista and Encarnacion after they age into ineffectiveness.

[Olerud363]

It's not about hating Yan Gomes, it's about looking at his swing and realizing how many holes he has. Pitchers will face him for the second time and I'm willing to bet he goes from hero to below replacement level play. Hey wait, that's what he did here.

 

I'll never forget Bob McCown calling Yan Gomes the jays first baseman of the future. Thought his bat would be deadly.. Hah

 

Maybe he has great hand eye coordination and would be a .350 hitter without the "hole in the swing"... and with the hole in the swing he's .230.

 

At this point I don't take this kind of thing to seriously. I have had my fill of superscouts predicting things that don't come true.

 

The arrogance of superscouts is ridiculous. Despite all that has happened, despite all the predictions that never come true (both good and bad) we still have this "superscouting" mentality on the board.

 

I'm not saying that scouting is bad. It's just the absolute certainty that is getting hilarious. It's not an exact science.

 

1. Guys with holes in their swings will still have variation. A guy with superior hand eye coordination and ability to recognize pitches still might hit OK even with the hole in their swing.

 

Are you saying every guy with a hole in their swing will hit .100?? Or is it .150?? Or .200?? Is it possible for Yan gomes to hit .230 .270 .400 with this hole?? Or do guys with holes in their have a maximum ceiling of .185??

 

2. Isn't a guy with a hole in their swing a better bet anyway because theoretically it could be fixed?? While genetic limations of hand eye coordination and ability to recognize pitches may never improve. Two of the best things that happened with this organization in the last 5 years are Bautista and EE getting really good, apparently because of swing adjustments.

 

So wouldn't we want to have a right handed hitter with a "hole in his swing" because that is one thing the organization has done well for the last few years... fixed a couple of right handed hitters swings??

[oakville69]

Boy, you sure are getting worked up over Yan f***ing Gomes.

 

LOL!. I know its a nitpick but I am upset that the Jays have Blanco on the roster. I realize that Thole doesn't turn the Jays into a contender, but every minor improvement you can make to the team should help.

 

JPA has one of the lowest OBP at his position in the MLB. That's sad.

[oakville69]

Our first hint of the terribleness that was to come was Beeston conducting the four-year-Indiana-Jones-like search for the next president, only to name himself the best choice.

 

Hmm. That was strange.Wasn't Paul Godfrey the President before Beeston?. Godfrey just got fired at OLG. Beeston seems to be more competent than Godfrey.

 

I think the Jays plan to make AA President once Beeston retires if the team makes the playoffs, based on what Stephen Brunt was saying a few months ago.

[Olerud363]

LOL!. I know its a nitpick but I am upset that the Jays have Blanco on the roster. I realize that Thole doesn't turn the Jays into a contender, but every minor improvement you can make to the team should help.

 

JPA has one of the lowest OBP at his position in the MLB. That's sad.

 

It's a pet peeve of mine too. Bench players aren't good enough to be regulars so they all have their flaws. But I think guys like Yan Gomes and Eric Hinske are pretty good bench players.

 

But their bad regulars so every time you complement a guy like Gomes or Hinske you get 40 people telling you how much they suck.

[Olerud363]

LOL!. I know its a nitpick but I am upset that the Jays have Blanco on the roster. I realize that Thole doesn't turn the Jays into a contender, but every minor improvement you can make to the team should help.

 

JPA has one of the lowest OBP at his position in the MLB. That's sad.

 

It's a pet peeve of mine too. Bench players aren't good enough to be regulars so they all have their flaws. But I think guys like Yan Gomes and Eric Hinske are pretty good bench players.

 

But their bad regulars so every time you complement a guy like Gomes or Hinske you get 40 people telling you how much they suck.

[Abomination]

I think the Jays plan to make AA President once Beeston retires if the team makes the playoffs, based on what Stephen Brunt was saying a few months ago.

 

That's kind of what I think will happen too, although perhaps not for a few years. I think I remember reading somewhere that one of Beeston's functions is to translate what AA says into something the owners can understand, and that AA kind of intimidates them. I wonder how it'll work when that's one of his primary responsibilities...

[Olerud363]

That's not really it. Hinske could hit. He was a good bench player. Gomes could well carry a wOBA well south of 0.300. That makes him a pretty bad player. Nobody cares that you play multiple positions if your bat is brutal. At least not when those positions are on corners.

 

Sure if was only a corner player. But Gomes is also a catcher, and this year 95% a catcher.

 

Cleveland is better then us. They are doing what we thought we'd thought we'd do.

 

So far many of their decisions (Swicher, Reynolds, Gomes as backup catcher) have worked out much better than ours.

 

I would much rather have a young player like Gomes (or Thole) as part of the catching tandem then Henry Blanco.

[JugglingPitches]

When is someone in the media going to question AA about players like Hill and Johnson going to other teams and finding their strokes and if AA is embarrassed by it and what is he doing to make sure this problem is corrected?

 

Johnson? Kelly Johnson? He got off to a scorching hot start last year and then nosedived into shallow water and splattered everywhere around mid-June...don't worry, he will fall off.