Offseason moves accumulated WAR - 1/4 season mark

[mitchf]

Counting only players that were on an opening day roster:

 

- 1.0 WAR in.

+ 2.1 WAR out.

 

$41,545,900 invested in these acquisitions for 2013 alone.

 

You can't make this stuff up. #lovethisteam

[Respectimo]

lol this team. sigh

[blackjays21]

man... that sucks

[oakville69]

Are you comparing opening day roster 2012 to 2013?

 

Are you looking at the Jays roster in early October 2012 vs the team we have now?

 

I think if Reyes had been healthy, the overall WAR would be positive.

 

Escobar & Kelly Johnson are probably doing better than Izturis & Bonifacio.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

AA's head should be on a stake.

 

He took a chance and he put together what might be one of the biggest busts in Canadian sporting history. Now he has to pay the price.

[G-Snarls]

Counting only players that were on an opening day roster:

 

- 1.0 WAR in.

+ 2.1 WAR out.

 

$41,545,900 invested in these acquisitions for 2013 alone.

 

You can't make this stuff up. #lovethisteam

 

Who did we send out that accounts for most of the + WAR?

[ElNik2013]

AA's head should be on a stake.

 

He took a chance and he put together what might be one of the biggest busts in Canadian sporting history. Now he has to pay the price.

 

 

I would fire him unless he makes amends by getting something good in return for JJ and Buehrle, DFAs Blanco, calls up Thole to platoon with JPA and a few other moves.

 

I may still fire him though, gave up way too much for old, very expensive and risky players.

[ElNik2013]

Who did we send out that accounts for most of the + WAR?

 

 

 

John Farrell, oh wait, it's players only...lol.

 

When is someone in the media going to question AA about players like Hill and Johnson going to other teams and finding their strokes and if AA is embarrassed by it and what is he doing to make sure this problem is corrected?

 

Anyway...

[mitchf]

Are you comparing opening day roster 2012 to 2013?

 

Are you looking at the Jays roster in early October 2012 vs the team we have now?

 

I think if Reyes had been healthy, the overall WAR would be positive.

 

Escobar & Kelly Johnson are probably doing better than Izturis & Bonifacio.

No I'm adding the WAR of all the players we traded who started the season on an opening day roster (2013).

 

No last years roster isn't relevant.

 

Reyes isn't healthy.

 

That's because they're better players.

[mitchf]

AA's head should be on a stake.

 

He took a chance and he put together what might be one of the biggest busts in Canadian sporting history. Now he has to pay the price.

Yep. Hopefully there's some accountability. He looks like a general manager that's in way over his head.

[Smokey]

But it was "the perfect storm".... *barf*

[BlueJayWay]

AA's head should be on a stake.

 

He took a chance and he put together what might be one of the biggest busts in Canadian sporting history. Now he has to pay the price.

The ultimate price

[theblujay]

I'm excited for the biggest turnaround in Canadian sports history this summer...

[Atothe]

Alex wrote his pink slip, the only thing thats working is Melky. Reyes would too if his success wasn't tied to johnson, buehrle and bonifacio. He failed spectacularly and should be put of his misery immediately. I mean tomorrow if possible.

[ElNik2013]

Counting only players that were on an opening day roster:

 

- 1.0 WAR in.

+ 2.1 WAR out.

 

$41,545,900 invested in these acquisitions for 2013 alone.

 

You can't make this stuff up. #lovethisteam

 

 

 

The supposed core of this team has also let it down. Bautista, Encarnacion, Lawrie, Rasmus, JPA, Morrow, RR have all let this team down.

 

The thing is though, imagine how bad a shape the rotation would be in without Dickey and Buehrle who at least have taken the ball every 5th day?

 

Not saying I was for the trades that brought them to the team, but the rotation was in horrible shape and the first starting pitcher name on AA's list was Josh Johnson who cannot be relied upon to anchor a staff. I think this tells us a lot about AA.

[Anemic0ffense]

Counting only players that were on an opening day roster:

 

- 1.0 WAR in.

+ 2.1 WAR out.

 

$41,545,900 invested in these acquisitions for 2013 alone.

 

You can't make this stuff up. #lovethisteam

 

You stole my pic

[mitchf]

You stole my pic

Haha I just spent 10 minutes of my time resizing that thing, f*** off. I'll change it later

[Metallijay]

LOL, I'm still mad we got rid of 2 good catchers to stick with JP rncba. Almost non of AA's moves have worked. The pitching is actually worse right now then last year....How is that even possible? The offense is way too one dimensional a couple good games then goes to sleep for a few.

[Metallijay]

I don't blame gibbon's, the players have all woefully underperformed, but hiring Gibbons with a team with large expectations was not a good move. Need a coach who knew how to manage expectations with it's players.

[saskjayfan]

AA's head should be on a stake.

 

He took a chance and he put together what might be one of the biggest busts in Canadian sporting history. Now he has to pay the price.

 

The big players AA brougth in were Reyes, Dickey, Buehrle and Johnson. I still believe Dickey will round into form. Reyes was doing everything you expected and will be back....he's one of the best short stops in the league. It's been the players already with the Jays who have let the team down..namely Morrow, Lawrie and Romero. Still time for Morrow and Lawrie to turn things around, but they have to start playing better...

[Anemic0ffense]

Haha I just spent 10 minutes of my time resizing that thing, f*** off. I'll change it later

 

Nah, you keep it... I'll look for another "AA FAIL" type photo to use

[mitchf]

Nah, you keep it... I'll look for another "AA FAIL" type photo to use

It is an incredibly fitting theme.

[Smokey]

Huh? Melky, Blanco, Bonifacio, Izturis, Buehrle, Rogers, Johnson, and Dickey have all been terrible. I don't even know where your narrative comes from.

Besides, it was AA's decision to go all-in with those failing players "already with the Jays"... What we're seeing here is further proof of what many of us predicted in the off-season that the pre-existing core definitely wasn't ready for a championship run.

[Anemic0ffense]

It is an incredibly fitting theme.

 

Indeed

[Olerud363]

AA's head should be on a stake.

 

He took a chance and he put together what might be one of the biggest busts in Canadian sporting history. Now he has to pay the price.

 

Agreed. He launched half the farm system out the window for nothing. Not only in the big trades. But I just checked to see how Woj and Carlos Perez are doing. Both in aaa looking great.

 

And somehow Sam Dyson is in Floridas system now doing pretty well as a starter?? What! He wasn't even involved in a trade.

[oakville69]

John Farrell, oh wait, it's players only...lol.

 

When is someone in the media going to question AA about players like Hill and Johnson going to other teams and finding their strokes and if AA is embarrassed by it and what is he doing to make sure this problem is corrected?

 

Anyway...

 

This is a very interesting issue. It's just not Hill & Johnson, but what about Alex Rios,?

 

Now, if Rios had stayed, the Jays would not have given Bautista a chance to play every day in August-September 2009. We know how that turned out.

 

Aaron Hill's was comeback player of the year in 2009 yet regressed in 2010 & 2011. He had an excellent 2012 in Arizona.

 

What I find shocking is that Wells ,Overbay & Jayson Nix are productive players for the Yankees.

 

I ddoubt AA gets fired till the end of 2015 when most of the team's contracts expire.

[oakville69]

Yep. Hopefully there's some accountability. He looks like a general manager that's in way over his head.

 

LOL! He's being compared to those Justin Trudeau ads that run on the Jays games.

 

AA was great at reducing payroll & getting other teams to take Jays payroll off Rogers books.

[oakville69]

Huh? Melky, Blanco, Bonifacio, Izturis, Buehrle, Rogers, Johnson, and Dickey have all been terrible. I don't even know where your narrative comes from.

 

Melky & Dickey have been good. Reyes could be excellent when he comes back.

[Atothe]

Nah, you keep it... I'll look for another "AA FAIL" type photo to use

 

You and mitchf inspired me to make Sad/drunk AA as my profile pic too.

[sachmo55]

Yeah. What a golden opportunity we had. When you win 73 games and enter an offseason with 4 players you can reasonably expect to be league-average or better, you have to pounce. Not going all in with those 4 players would have been a huge wasted opportunity.

 

You've used that Narrative a lot, but going into 2012 this was a team that a lot of us predicted would win somewhere between 80-85 games that collapsed. The jays of 2012 was not a 73-win team in talent. Had we kept the jays of last season, with a few tweaks, would probably be projected to be a 77 to 80 win. We were an average team, that added a lot of talent, but didn't compensate with nearly enough depth.