The Prospect/Minor Leagues Thread

[GD]

What's going on with Deck? We could use him right now...

 

Couple s***** outings, couple nice ones. Still Buehrle-esque.

[GD]

... Elbow... after TJS...

 

OH FOR f***ING s***'S SAKES WHAT THE HELL?

[Angrioter]

What's going on with Deck? We could use him right now...

 

Can't throw his fastball for strike. He still young and have a wide repertoire.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Nothing on twitter on him.

 

I'm desperate to get rid of JPA and have Jimenez up so this is worrying.

 

So am I, but if you think its happening this year, you're f***ed.

[GD]

So am I, but if you think its happening this year, you're f***ed.

 

No, obviously not this year, but I was hoping before 2016. His development is really getting f***ed up, though.

[GeorgiaPeach]

What is the prospect age limit? Is it a rule somewhere?

 

Here's the guidelines I follow

 

Preferably nothing over 24 in AAA

nothing over 23 in AA

nothing over 22 in A+

nothing over 21 in A

[GeorgiaPeach]

No, obviously not this year, but I was hoping before 2016. His development is really getting f***ed up, though.

 

How so? He suffered an injury and is making his way back.

[GD]

How so? He suffered an injury and is making his way back.

 

Fairly serious injury, needed TJS. And now he has a potential elbow injury coming back from TJS?

 

It's worrying.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Fairly serious injury, needed TJS. And now he has a potential elbow injury coming back from TJS?

 

It's worrying.

 

After a guy comes back from a pretty siginificant injury, wouldn't it be expected there may be some minor setbacks/soreness/days missed? Its not like guys should be going full bore or be expected to perform as they did immediately from being off for an extended period of time.

[GD]

After a guy comes back from a pretty siginificant injury, wouldn't it be expected there may be some minor setbacks/soreness/days missed? Its not like guys should be going full bore or be expected to perform as they did immediately from being off for an extended period of time.

 

Yeah, minor setbacks, but knowing this team, this probably isn't minor, that's what I'm worrying about. I'm worried he's going to miss an extended period of time.

[GD]

FYI, the guy who posted the tweet about Jimenez description:

"Writing about the Blue Jays for http://www.battersbox.ca with a focus on the minor leagues"

 

No idea where he got his information about AJ, this was the first tweet I saw about it

 

Not sure if he's a credible source or not

 

Let's hope not.

 

Justin Jackson pitching for lansing so far,

0.2 IP 1H 1ER 3BB

 

Pitching Change: Justin Jackson replaces Chuck Ghysels.

Wagner Gomez grounds out, first baseman Kellen Sweeney to pitcher Justin Jackson.

Beau Amaral grounds out, pitcher Justin Jackson to first baseman Kellen Sweeney.

Zach Vincej singles on a ground ball to left fielder Dwight Smith.

With Robert Ramirez batting, wild pitch by Justin Jackson, Zach Vincej to 2nd.

Robert Ramirez walks.

Jeff Gelalich walks. Zach Vincej to 3rd. Robert Ramirez to 2nd.

Jesse Winker walks. Zach Vincej scores. Robert Ramirez to 3rd. Jeff Gelalich to 2nd.

 

Started out great, but he really fell apart after the 2 out single

 

Annnnd he got out of the inning with a fly ball to right field

 

For someone who's just starting out as a pitcher, I'm really impressed.

[Laika]

Justin Jackson pitching for lansing so far,

0.2 IP 1H 1ER 3BB

 

I wonder how hard he's throwing?

[GD]

No idea. I remember a few weeks ago on twitter the radio guy for Lansing was asked a question like that, he replied saying not to trust the stadium guns

 

They boost the MPH by a mile an hour or two. I know he could hit ~94 off the mound in high school.

[Angrioter]

I wonder how hard he's throwing?

 

Fastball 91-94; slider 76-77

[GD]

Fastball 91-94; slider 76-77

 

No other pitches?

[TheHurl]

I meant to look up when the Lansing games were on. Turns out today's game was. I'm watching the end of the game but I'll watch the replay and report

[Angrioter]

No other pitches?

 

Justin Jackson, RHP: Converting from SS; Fastball 91-94; slider 76-77 with lazy break; changeup 74-77; obvious arm speed reduction; fastball comes out free and easy; does not maintain front side of his mechanics; super athletic. The fastball looks like it could be something, but the secondary stuff needs massive amounts of work. Jackson will stay in extended and look to improve as a pitcher

[GD]

Justin Jackson, RHP: Converting from SS; Fastball 91-94; slider 76-77 with lazy break; changeup 74-77; obvious arm speed reduction; fastball comes out free and easy; does not maintain front side of his mechanics; super athletic. The fastball looks like it could be something, but the secondary stuff needs massive amounts of work. Jackson will stay in extended and look to improve as a pitcher

 

I honestly like what I hear about him. Have there been any hitter-to-pitcher success stories?

 

Looking it up, Trevor Hoffman, Jimmy Foxx, Mel Queen, and Sergio Santos.

[Angrioter]

I honestly like what I hear about him. Have there been any hitter-to-pitcher success stories?

 

Looking it up, Trevor Hoffman, Jimmy Foxx, Mel Queen, and Sergio Santos.

 

Mel Queen helped Halladay in mechanic reconstruction process when Halladay was sent down to Dunedin 2000

[Captain Adama]

I honestly like what I hear about him. Have there been any hitter-to-pitcher success stories?

 

Looking it up, Trevor Hoffman, Jimmy Foxx, Mel Queen, and Sergio Santos.

 

Dave Stieb.

[TO1]

As bad as Romero was tonight in the majors, Norris gave him a run for his money for futility in the minors.

 

 

Daniel Norris (L, 0-3) 1.1 IP, 7H, 8R, 6ER, 1BB, 1SO, 1HR, 10.07 ERA. Complete waste of time yet again.

 

The guy is quickly becoming a non-prospect in my book. Only his last game didn't have a line that looked familiar to tonight's line. And it wasn't like he was lights out in that one either.

He's even worse this year than he was last year. I didn't think that was even possible.

[GD]

Damnit Norris!

 

He was actually really good last year, though.

[TO1]

Damnit Norris!

 

He was actually really good last year, though.

 

Your kidding right?

 

2012 stats - 42.2 IP, 58H, 40ER, 4HR, 18BB, 43SO, 1.78 WHIP, 8.44 ERA.

 

His WHIP alone made Kyle Drabek look like Greg Maddux.

Other than a K/IP what did he exactly do well in 2012? And even with that K-rate he still got shelled.

[GD]

Your kidding right?

 

2012 stats - 42.2 IP, 58H, 40ER, 4HR, 18BB, 43SO, 1.78 WHIP, 8.44 ERA.

 

His WHIP alone made Kyle Drabek look like Greg Maddux.

Other than a K/IP what did he exactly do well in 2012? And even with that K-rate he still got shelled.

 

~3.5 FIP, he was playing with a horrendous defense behind him, of course he got shelled.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Justin Jackson, RHP: Converting from SS; Fastball 91-94; slider 76-77 with lazy break; changeup 74-77; obvious arm speed reduction; fastball comes out free and easy; does not maintain front side of his mechanics; super athletic. The fastball looks like it could be something, but the secondary stuff needs massive amounts of work. Jackson will stay in extended and look to improve as a pitcher

 

Where's this summary from?

[GeorgiaPeach]

I honestly like what I hear about him. Have there been any hitter-to-pitcher success stories?

 

Looking it up, Trevor Hoffman, Jimmy Foxx, Mel Queen, and Sergio Santos.

 

Jimmy Foxx? You're not talking HOF'er Jimmie Foxx are you? 22 innings is hardly a success story.

 

Sean Doolittle is a current one.

[TO1]

~3.5 FIP, he was playing with a horrendous defense behind him, of course he got shelled.

 

He sucked. 58hits in 42.2 IP and almost another 4BB/9IP have little to do with defence. How is a 1.78 WHIP affected by defence?

 

If there are errors in the field then it doesn't show up in the hit, BB, ER or ERA column.

He's well known to fall behind guys way too often and has mechanical issues. That has nothing to do with defence.

The reason his FIP was good is that it accounts for the fact that he didn't give up a ton of HRs, but what it doesn't account for is the sheer amount of hits he gave up over 42.2IP. And that's the major flaw with FIP IMHO.

 

There are some poor yearly pitching performances with guys holding a good FIP (3.8 or lower) where they give up a lot of runs, but none where a guy is good with a high WHIP (1.6+).

Edited May 9, 2013 by TO1

[Angrioter]

Where's this summary from?

 

Copy-paste from Dr_Dinger

[GeorgiaPeach]

He sucked. 58hits in 42.2 IP and almost another 4BB/9IP have little to do with defence. How is a 1.78 WHIP affected by defence?

 

If there are errors in the field then it doesn't show up in the hit, BB, ER or ERA column.

He's well known to fall behind guys way too often and has mechanical issues. That has nothing to do with defence.

The reason his FIP was good is that it accounts for the fact that he didn't give up a ton of HRs, but what it doesn't account for is the sheer amount of hits he gave up over 42.2IP. And that's the major flaw with FIP IMHO.

 

There are some poor yearly pitching performances with guys holding a good FIP (3.8 or lower) where they give up a lot of runs, but none where a guy is good with a high WHIP (1.6+).

 

You really just didn't ask how a high WHIP is affected by bad defence did you?

 

If you have the same pitcher for these two different situations tell me which one will have a higher WHIP over the course of a year:

 

#1-the pitcher has 8 fielders behind him who have very good range, arms, etc. (errors don't matter)

#2-the same pitcher has 8 fielders behind him who have very little range and weak arms. (errors don't matter)

 

my guess is pitcher #2 is gonna have a higher WHIP, but that's just me.

[GD]

Gose 0-4 4 Ks 1 BB

 

God f***ing damnit

 

At least.. uh... he had a walk?