The Prospect/Minor Leagues Thread

[theblujay]

http://baseballprospectnation.com/2013/03/08/scouting-report-dawel-lugo-ss/

 

"Potential .290+ hitter. Power is in there and will manifest with additional physical maturation and development of his offensive approach. Has lift in the swing and bat speed for 20+ home runs, backed up by piles of doubles. Potential impact middle-of-the-order hitter with average and power."

 

Thoughts?

 

 

A prospect in the Jays system who can hit?!? What a surprise

[theblujay]

What's the difference in the level of players between Vancouver and Bluefield?

[John_Havok]

Bluefield is Rookie level ball. Basically guys who are just out of high school or debuting in the us from the Donovan leagues. Ages around 18-20.

 

Vancouver is A level short season ball, usually those who were just drafted out of college, so already have a couple of years of higher level competition. Ages 21-22

[TO1]

What's the difference in the level of players between Vancouver and Bluefield?

 

Not much difference.

[theblujay]

Bluefield is Rookie level ball. Basically guys who are just out of high school or debuting in the us from the Donovan leagues. Ages around 18-20.

 

Vancouver is A level short season ball, usually those who were just drafted out of college, so already have a couple of years of higher level competition. Ages 21-22

 

Thanks. ---

[Caper]

I have a question for the experts about prospect development. Help me out here.

 

In a system there are prospects and there are filler..... My question is. Why isn't a guy like DJ Davis in AAA Buffalo (in place of filler)?

 

I understand that the pitching would be tough and his hitting would be bad, but wouldn't he be better for it in the end? Isn't the whole idea of minor leagues practice? I have trouble understanding why a guy like DJ Davis wouldn't better off having 4 or 5 years of practice hitting off triple AAA pitchers then having a year practice at sub par pitching... then another year of sub par pitching... and finally working their way up.

 

Basically what I'm asking is..... wouldn't you want, in terms of development, your prospects facing the best possible pitching all the time? Is it best to hit .280 off pitching you can handle well.... then .280 off better pitching and so on until you've reached major league pitching.... or would you be better off hitting .100 off the best possible pitching an organization can get you... and simply learn to hit that same pitching better?

 

Have both approaches been tested?

 

Thanks.

[admin]

I understand that the pitching would be tough and his hitting would be bad, but wouldn't he be better for it in the end? Isn't the whole idea of minor leagues practice?

 

It's just such a big jump that he would more than likely never adjust. It's not just your physical talents, but mental as well. Hitting under .200 in a full season doesn't help your confidence,

especially when you don't see any type of improvement. It's the same as talking about bringing up guys to the majors too early. It's just a too big of a jump, and can potentially ruin their careers.

[Caper]

It's just such a big jump that he would more than likely never adjust. It's not just your physical talents, but mental as well. Hitting under .200 in a full season doesn't help your confidence,

especially when you don't see any type of improvement. It's the same as talking about bringing up guys to the majors too early. It's just a too big of a jump, and can potentially ruin their careers.

 

 

I guess... I can see that. But I'm thinking more about reps of good pitching.... maybe they need better pitching machines that mimic an actual pitcher more and a player can spend 100's of hours on that. I think of those players like Travis Snider and that low inside curve ball that would just chew him up. I know there are pitching machines that throw curve balls... but they don't really mimic the actual pitcher releasing the ball..... If only there was a pitching robot that could just feed a guy like Snider those curveballs all day and he could either learn to hit it or lay off of it.

[Pete_7]

What happened to Osuna, see him on the 7 day DL

[GD]

I have a question for the experts about prospect development. Help me out here.

 

In a system there are prospects and there are filler..... My question is. Why isn't a guy like DJ Davis in AAA Buffalo (in place of filler)?

 

I understand that the pitching would be tough and his hitting would be bad, but wouldn't he be better for it in the end? Isn't the whole idea of minor leagues practice? I have trouble understanding why a guy like DJ Davis wouldn't better off having 4 or 5 years of practice hitting off triple AAA pitchers then having a year practice at sub par pitching... then another year of sub par pitching... and finally working their way up.

 

Basically what I'm asking is..... wouldn't you want, in terms of development, your prospects facing the best possible pitching all the time? Is it best to hit .280 off pitching you can handle well.... then .280 off better pitching and so on until you've reached major league pitching.... or would you be better off hitting .100 off the best possible pitching an organization can get you... and simply learn to hit that same pitching better?

 

Have both approaches been tested?

 

Thanks.

 

Huh, I actually really see your point here. I guess teams feel more comfortable with prospects gradually gaining confidence as they progress.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

I have a question for the experts about prospect development. Help me out here.

 

In a system there are prospects and there are filler..... My question is. Why isn't a guy like DJ Davis in AAA Buffalo (in place of filler)?

 

I understand that the pitching would be tough and his hitting would be bad, but wouldn't he be better for it in the end? Isn't the whole idea of minor leagues practice? I have trouble understanding why a guy like DJ Davis wouldn't better off having 4 or 5 years of practice hitting off triple AAA pitchers then having a year practice at sub par pitching... then another year of sub par pitching... and finally working their way up.

 

Basically what I'm asking is..... wouldn't you want, in terms of development, your prospects facing the best possible pitching all the time? Is it best to hit .280 off pitching you can handle well.... then .280 off better pitching and so on until you've reached major league pitching.... or would you be better off hitting .100 off the best possible pitching an organization can get you... and simply learn to hit that same pitching better?

 

Have both approaches been tested?

 

Thanks.

 

If he was actually a good hitter or had this thing called talent, it might not be a bad idea (ie see the rapid rise of Harper through the Nats system).

 

Davis sucks. He can't even hit the lower levels how the heck do you expect him to succeed against former major leaguers?

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Quick recap on AA's drafting history:

 

2010: Looks like we'll only get Sanchez out of this draft assuming he continues to develop. McGuire is a massive bust. Everything else traded for old guys

2011: Absolutely nothing to see here (unless you are a fan of OFers who can't hit). Most intriguing pick is a Jesus freak who has a career 8.34ERA in the minors

2012: Davis looks absolutely terrible, and Stroman is a juicer.

 

Um

 

It's almost pointless to even follow the system now.

[Pete_7]

Stroman looked pretty good against ML players at the end of ST, albeit it was the Phillies

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Stroman looked pretty good against ML players at the end of ST, albeit it was the Phillies

 

Irrelevant

 

Even if he can be an effective starter Gibbons will get directions from the FO to turn him into the COTF

[GD]

Why do you say this?

 

....!

 

Because I hadn't checked his stats in a couple weeks. HOLY MOTHER OF f*** lol. .367 wOBA is purty. 122 wRC+, very nice, but I think the FSL is a hitter's league. Still, for a younger prospect, he's advancing quickly. What's Dunedin's IF, Pierre/Burns/Lopes/Jacobo?

[Caper]

If he was actually a good hitter or had this thing called talent, it might not be a bad idea (ie see the rapid rise of Harper through the Nats system).

 

Davis sucks. He can't even hit the lower levels how the heck do you expect him to succeed against former major leaguers?

 

How could you say Davis is bad? He hit .250 as a 17 year old... His 1st year?

[GD]

How could you say Davis is bad? He hit .250 as a 17 year old... His 1st year?

 

... Did raysjays just sign into the wrong account, or...? I'm confused.

[Angrioter]

... Did raysjays just sign into the wrong account, or...? I'm confused.

 

+1 Troll #1 is here

[Angrioter]

Lopes is in Lansing

 

Lopes is legit, can't run but his bat is so sexy

[TheHurl]

... Did raysjays just sign into the wrong account, or...? I'm confused.

 

Honestly he knows that if pulls the same s*** here he'll be gone. So let him try out being a legit poster for a while.

[OtisNixonFan]

Quick recap on AA's drafting history:

 

2010: Looks like we'll only get Sanchez out of this draft assuming he continues to develop. McGuire is a massive bust. Everything else traded for old guys

2011: Absolutely nothing to see here (unless you are a fan of OFers who can't hit). Most intriguing pick is a Jesus freak who has a career 8.34ERA in the minors

2012: Davis looks absolutely terrible, and Stroman is a juicer.

 

Um

 

It's almost pointless to even follow the system now.

 

He's made some decent international F.A. Signings though. Lugo, Barreto, and especially Osuna come to mind. Sure beats the hell out of guys like Balbino (shudder) Fuenmayor

[Angrioter]

probation period

[GD]

Lopes is in Lansing

 

I'm not sure how Fangraphs does this minor league A-/A thing. Is A not Dunedin and A- not Lansing..? He's in A.

[Angrioter]

Originally Posted by King

Lopes is in Lansing

I'm not sure how Fangraphs does this minor league A-/A thing. Is A not Dunedin and A- not Lansing..? He's in A.

 

how Can I use the multi-quote?

[dineke]

how Can I use the multi-quote?

 

The button on the far right corner.

[P2F]

I'm not sure how Fangraphs does this minor league A-/A thing. Is A not Dunedin and A- not Lansing..? He's in A.

 

A is Lansing.

 

Here ya go, bro:

 

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=547173

[Angrioter]

The button on the far right corner.

 

how Can I use the multi-quote?

 

Thanks, bro

[Angrioter]

A is Lansing.

 

Here ya go, bro:

 

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=547173

 

I'm not sure how Fangraphs does this minor league A-/A thing. Is A not Dunedin and A- not Lansing..? He's in A.

 

MLB - Blue Jays

AAA - Buffalo

AA - NHS

+A - Dunedin

A - Lansing

Short A - Vancouver

Rookie - Bluefield

Instructional - GCL Blue Jays and Dominican Summer league

[GD]

A is Lansing.

 

Here ya go, bro:

 

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=547173

 

For a kid repeating Lansing that's to be expected. Lansing is an extreme pitchers' park though, so not bad. Thanks.

[Caper]

Honestly he knows that if pulls the same s*** here he'll be gone. So let him try out being a legit poster for a while.

 

I'm really not High85... I just thought it would be funny if I made it my user name.

 

The funny thing is about High85..... every troll post he made turned out to be true. I am sure he was laughing as he was typing what a great signing Vernon Wells was or Lyle Overbay...... but it ended up being right.