The Prospect/Minor Leagues Thread

[TheHurl]

In some ways you need to be a little more aggressive with international signees. He's already three years into his development now which means that he has to be added to the 40 man by the end of 2015. You'd likely give him his first full right to the end and attempt to make the squad spring in spring training. Until then I don't think it really matters what level you play him at.

[StevieRay]

so any news on Daniel Norris?

[Abomination]

Luis Perez threw an inning for Dunedin today on rehab

 

2 innings. I wonder if he'll be stretched out to start?

[Angrioter]

Javier Baez 4-4, 4 dingers tonight

[TheHurl]

Javier Baez 4-4, 4 dingers tonight

 

That's 34 of his 67 hits going for extra bases. K's and lack of walks are a bit of a concern but the power for a guy that might actually stick at SS is unreal.

[Olerud363]

Agree. There must be legit reasons to develop pitchers the way teams do.

 

He's got a few more years to go

 

When's the last time a pitcher under 20 to get called up to the majors? Even 20/21 seems fairly rare.

 

Felix Hernandez. Maybe a couple of others.

 

18 year olds rarely get to even this stage (Lansing). It's foolish to compare Osuna to the average guy. Compare him to other 18 year olds who dominated a ball. Assuming they stay healthy and keep dominating they reach the majors at 20. You don't have a guy dominating the minors for 4 or 5 years.

 

Teams develop players the way they do because they rarely dominate AND stay healthy. Once they start getting on a role though don't stop them.

 

If he's healthy and dominating a month from now there's no reason to hold him back. Send him to Dunnedin. If he's healthy and dominating there for a couple months the same.

[GD]

When's the last time a pitcher under 20 to get called up to the majors? Even 20/21 seems fairly rare.

 

In 2003, Edwin Jackson pitched 22 innings at the age of 19.

 

In 2005, Felix Hernandez pitched 84 innings at the age of 19.

 

In 2009, Madison Bumgarner pitched 10 innings at the age of 19.

 

So the last was Bumgarner.

[G-Snarls]

In 2003, Edwin Jackson pitched 22 innings at the age of 19.

 

In 2005, Felix Hernandez pitched 84 innings at the age of 19.

 

In 2009, Madison Bumgarner pitched 10 innings at the age of 19.

 

So the last was Bumgarner.

 

So it's obviously uncommon for all sorts of reasons. Would be a great to see Osuna MLB ready at age 20 and sounds actually possible *IF* he stays healthy and progresses as expected.

[DuckDuckGose]

Why move him even that fast? Sanchez is almost three years older and spent all year in Lansing last year. I believe they'll let Osuna spend all year in Lansing, then most of next year in Dunedin. Then most of 2015 in New Hampshire, with perhaps a few starts in Buffalo at the end of the season.

 

Why would we move Osuna so fast? Easy, to challenge Osuna. Sanchez has a better FB than Osuna but Roberto is further along in almost every capacity other than velocity. He's performed in an environment more challenging than AA and at a younger age. It's been shown universally across all disciplines that the best way to improve is to be challenged. Osuna is too dominant for Lansing, put him somewhere hitters have a chance, have him deal with the trials and tribulations of a truly difficult placement.

 

Furthermore Osuna wasn't babied as a teenager, he has logged more innings than every HS kid in the draft and even some college pitchers. He's thrown breaking pitches for years, has worked 4-6IP multiple times and has had pitch counts that reflect that. Why would the Jays put the training wheels back on a guy that already had them taken off and is cruising?

 

Additionally all pitchers have a ticking clock on their arms. If Osuna can get to the majors quicker then he can help the Jays for longer and maximize his value -- before his arm explodes.

[GD]

Osuna's definitely advanced for his age, but I can't see the Jays bringing him up as a teenager which is what a double-A by August plan would suggest. Also, he may be dominating the MWL, but it's not like he's been untouchable. He's 55th in the league in ERA at 2.96 and 9th in K/9. There are definitely things he can still learn, and it's only been six starts. There's nobody born earlier than 1992 in the EL and Osuna is '95 born. That would be a bit extreme.

 

He's 45th in FIP (min 20 IP), and the 1.) amazing amount of K's and 2.) amazing lack of walks given up are extremely impressive. I dunno if I'd promote him *yet,* but he's been pretty fricking impressive.

[ReturnOfTheYeti]

He's 45th in FIP (min 20 IP), and the 1.) amazing amount of K's and 2.) amazing lack of walks given up are extremely impressive. I dunno if I'd promote him *yet,* but he's been pretty fricking impressive.

He's progressing so well through the system and doesn't seem to be bothered much by advancing a level. Even up to mid A this year, his K/9 is about the same as last year, which is great considering, but yeah his walks, his BB/9 is about half of last year's rate. SSS but it's a heck of a good start to the MWL.

 

I'd just hate to rush him though.

[GD]

He's progressing so well through the system and doesn't seem to be bothered much by advancing a level. Even up to mid A this year, his K/9 is about the same as last year, which is great considering, but yeah his walks, his BB/9 is about half of last year's rate. SSS but it's a heck of a good start to the MWL.

 

I'd just hate to rush him though.

 

30 IP isn't thaaaaaaaat bad a sample size right now, his control is really great. I would probably move him up to A+ soon but I don't think he should be in AA unless they make the playoffs or something.

[ReturnOfTheYeti]

30 IP isn't thaaaaaaaat bad a sample size right now, his control is really great. I would probably move him up to A+ soon but I don't think he should be in AA unless they make the playoffs or something.

 

I suppose - especially at those levels where typically a starter might go on 5 or 6 and it is based on 6 starts. I guess it's just that especially with the question on his arm, I just don't see the point in rushing it. Yep, the K/9 & BB/9 is pretty impressive for someone so young at that level.

[KingKat]

Chad Jenkins: It's over

 

 

344630642656550912

 

They should stretch out Brad Lincoln especially with the bullpen nearly at full strength with Oliver back. Jenkins's good fortune seems to have run out.

[KingKat]

Still can't get this fancy twitter thing to work. Here's the text of the tweet:

 

John Lott

@LottOnBaseball

 

Meanwhile, Chad Jenkins, the #BlueJays putative 6th starter, allowed 10 hits and 6 runs in 4.2IP for Buffalo tonight.

 

https://twitter.com/LottOnBaseball/status/344630642656550912

 

 

Chad Jenkins: It's over

 

 

344630642656550912

 

They should stretch out Brad Lincoln especially with the bullpen nearly at full strength with Oliver back. Jenkins's good fortune seems to have run out.

[GD]

0 walks, which is nice.

 

1 strikeout, which is disgusting.

[GD]

Gose 2-4! Solid night! 2 K's as well though. Too tired to do a full MiLB recap.

[StevieRay]

so still no roster announcement for Vancouver Canadians, Bluefield Blue Jays and GCL Blue Jays?

[GD]

Thon Jr and Gabryipghwgpihwpgrpiehgiper[qok;gkns are gonna be in Vancouver, eh? Interesting.

[GD]

Yes and I believe Davis, Alford too??

 

Alford eh? Wonder how long he'll be playing for before he jumps off to football.

 

It's a piss off how the Vancouver Canadians twitter account keeps saying "soon' when all these media outlets are MAKING REPORTS ON THE ROSTER PLAYERS JUST RELEASE THE GOD DAMN ROSTER

 

if they aren't released by the end of the night I'm gonna flip my s***

[GD]

Players I'm keeping an eye on (from the confirmed roster):

 

Conner

Atkinson

Thon

Gabryww[4ur-r9u3509jpgorjp

 

Did Leblg;hrwgi;wrhgi;wgh;wr play any games in Lansing last year? I remember a Jason at SS with a ridiculous name that REALLY impressed me. (I took a trip to Lansing, saw Sanchize vs Austin Hedges, was quite fun)

[Caper]

McGuire off to a great start... But all I care about is Jiminez. 1 for 1 with a double.

[GD]

Mitch Nay will be in bluefield or Vancouver?

 

Let's hope Vancouver. Like that kid.

 

McGuire off to a great start... But all I care about is Jiminez. 1 for 1 with a double.

 

I'd venture to say he'll be the most watched prospect over Sanchize from here on out, if not just due to JPA's sucking.

[GD]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=lebleb000jas

 

Yeah bro

 

Yeah I caught one of his games. Him and Nick Baligod really impressed me. Sanchez and Hobson were nice. Phil Brua was terrible. Opitz wasn't great.

[GD]

http://www.battersbox.ca/article.php?story=20130611154539804&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

Extended Spring stats from this year

 

Jacob Anderson 77 PA .863 OPS

 

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E: Holy s***, Adonys Cardona still exists! Damn.

[GD]

Important tidbit:

 

The Vancouver rotation will probably be made up of more experienced players from 2012, such as Deivy Estrada, Jeremy Gabryszwski, Carlos Pina, maybe hometown boy Tom Robson and Colton Turner was headed that way before being called to sub in for Daniel Norris. Kyle Anderson is another option. Bluefield's rotation will likely include Chase DeJong, Adonys Cardona, Alberto Tirado, Zak Wasilewski and Jairo Labourt.

[GD]

Tiny sample of Extended Spring stats for a guy who turns 21 this year? You're really grasping at straws lol.

 

It's all I've got. He even struck out in 40$ of his extended spring stats.

 

PLEASE JAKE, FOR ME, DO WELL *cries*

[GD]

Yeah man! Only 19 years old too, time to start working his way up the system

 

Now there's a case of prospect fatigue lol. It feels like he's been around for forever.

[GD]

They don't even play real games in extended spring. He's a bust, why do you like him?

 

Same name, like the athleticism and raw power.

 

Yes, I do realize I'm grasping at straws, and how irrational I am haha.

[GD]

Anderson hit a bunch of home runs in high school three years ago, and has done absolutely nothing since. Didn't make Baseball America's top 30 Jays prospects.

 

Mitch Nay seems like a similar player, but hopefully he hits. Very excited to see what Nay can do.

 

I fully acknowledge that Anderson is a bust, I just really want him to succeed.

 

Nay could be an awesome add to this team in a few years. Can he play anywhere besides 3B/1B? Maybe 2B/LF?