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[Stangstag]

Goins is good but even he can't play 2B and SS! hahaha

 

Wong to 2B

[DuckDuckGose]

Wong to 2B

 

Oh s*** ya, I had a moment there and was thinking of Wacha. Even still a Goins--Wong DP should only happen in AAA Buffalo, that would be one of the worst MIF's in the MLB.

Edited November 6, 2013 by DuckDuckGose
added a word, fixed some grammar/spelling mistakes

[Randy The Robot]

Reyes + Bautista for Miller + Tavares + Garcia + Wong + s***

Cardinals would never do that. Two aging players for one of the best pitching talents in baseball, one of the best prospects, a 3 with a team friendly contract and their second baseman of the future.

[z3r0s]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/boras-on-.html

 

Jacoby Ellsbury has "illustrated that he's a highly durable athlete," according to Boras. The agent explained that people running into Ellsbury, which caused his two major injuries, has nothing to do with his durability.

 

Shin-Soo Choo is a "premium defensive outfielder at the corners,"

 

On Kendry;

"He clearly is a good first baseman."

Morales is "the only other one really than Cano who you can say has the ability to be a run producer in the middle of the lineup" in this free agent market, says Boras, an assessment with which the agents for Brian McCann, Mike Napoli, Carlos Beltran, Curtis Granderson, and Nelson Cruz might disagree.

 

 

Boars is hilarious.

[G-Snarls]

I wish we could have all seen "the binder" that he was circulating about Prince Fielder last year.

[Abomination]

I wish we could have all seen "the binder" that he was circulating about Prince Fielder last year.

 

It would be interesting to go through the list of all (somewhat premium) Boras clients and see if any of them have actually provided surplus value on a FA contract.

[G-Snarls]

I wish we could have all seen "the binder" that he was circulating about Prince Fielder last year.

 

Binders full of... donuts??

 

(Apologies to Mitt Romney)

[G-Snarls]

It would be interesting to go through the list of all (somewhat premium) Boras clients and see if any of them have actually provided surplus value on a FA contract.

 

Kyle Lohse's bang for the buck is looking good so far.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Boras is the ultimate alpha. Guy is so good at his job.

[G-Snarls]

Cool. Lot of guys with bad playing careers but good second careers as manager/coach/GM.

 

[bendera3]

Boras is the ultimate alpha. Guy is so good at his job.

 

You can't really argue the fact that this guy continuously gets a players monetary worth or more from teams. It seems like the man could take any player and get top dollar for him. Imagine if he was JPA's agent.

[Sammy225]

You can't really argue the fact that this guy continuously gets a players monetary worth or more from teams. It seems like the man could take any player and get top dollar for him. Imagine if he was JPA's agent.

 

Wish he was. The Blue Jays don't employ people who are under Boras....

[Angrioter]

Rangers Sign Martin Perez To Four-Year Deal

The Rangers announced that they have agreed to a four-year deal with left-hander Martin Perez. The contract runs through the 2017 season and contains three club options, meaning Texas will have the ability to control Perez, a client of the OL Baseball Group, through the 2020 season.

 

good move regardless of the money involved.

[bendera3]

Wish he was. The Blue Jays don't employ people who are under Boras....

 

Immediate DFA maybe? That would be hilarious.

[Convo]

I guess white men can jump after all? i.e. Brett Lawrie:

 

http://www.viddy.com/video/7bc732e4-9f8d-4409-ac30-d7c8050ddb32

[Angrioter]

Rangers Sign Martin Perez To Four-Year Deal

The Rangers announced that they have agreed to a four-year deal with left-hander Martin Perez. The contract runs through the 2017 season and contains three club options, meaning Texas will have the ability to control Perez, a client of the OL Baseball Group, through the 2020 season.

 

good move regardless of the money involved.

 

AA, is time to extend Lawrie. Rasmus could receive the extension to half of this season, after the whole front office is convinced that Gose can't hit.

[GD]

If anyone is winning the Marlins deal, it's Loria.

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1841590-jeffrey-loria-could-have-paid-for-a-bad-marlins-team-with-painting-he-just-sold?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Be hilarious if the Tigers got Balfour

 

They could actually really use him, but...

 

What I noted is on this forum all we ever hear is about how easily replaceable closers are and trying to dump Janssen and his $4M year but this year's free agent closers are going to sign for a lot of money.

[Boxcar]

What I noted is on this forum all we ever hear is about how easily replaceable closers are and trying to dump Janssen and his $4M year but this year's free agent closers are going to sign for a lot of money.

 

What was Janssen before he was a closer? A good middle reliever. Practically any good reliever can be a good closer.

[GD]

What was Janssen before he was a closer? A good middle reliever. Practically any good reliever can be a good closer.

 

And to further your point, what was Janssen before he was a good middle reliever? A failed starter. A lot of failed starters can turn into good middle relievers, and a lot of good middle relievers can turn into good closers. They're pretty replaceable.

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

And to further your point, what was Janssen before he was a good middle reliever? A failed starter. A lot of failed starters can turn into good middle relievers, and a lot of good middle relievers can turn into good closers. They're pretty replaceable.

 

There are several reasons guys become relievers, and they aren't always about lack of skill. How easily replaced closers are is not something open to debate, because we have actual real results to determine this. The fact that numerous teams in baseball ( including good teams like the Tigers ) have been unable to find a reliable closer, and that large contracts continue to be signed for perceived "top end" closers, suggests that high quality closers are not easily replaced at all.

 

I'd love to see how many pitchers have tried the closing role the last 5-10 years and their success rate in keeping the job. Because simply having the role for a year maybe two with sporadic success does make you easily replaced but that's not what I'm talking about.

[Boxcar]

He led the team in winzzzz and then...failed as a starter. Is there a better, more sugarcoated way she'd like it put? Inadequate starter?

[jays_fever]

Her reading comprehension skills are off the charts..he never once said Cecil was a poor pitcher or baseball player and even clarified. The she just went full retard

[Angrioter]

He led the team in winzzzz and then...failed as a starter. Is there a better, more sugarcoated way she'd like it put? Inadequate starter?

 

Poor Cecil, he can't start games or think......Induced alzheimer for him please

[Boxcar]

There are several reasons guys become relievers, and they aren't always about lack of skill. How easily replaced closers are is not something open to debate, because we have actual real results to determine this. The fact that numerous teams in baseball ( including good teams like the Tigers ) have been unable to find a reliable closer, and that large contracts continue to be signed for perceived "top end" closers, suggests that high quality closers are not easily replaced at all.

 

I'd love to see how many pitchers have tried the closing role the last 5-10 years and their success rate in keeping the job. Because simply having the role for a year maybe two with sporadic success does make you easily replaced but that's not what I'm talking about.

 

Tigers have Benoit, who just had a great year. Previously, pretty good middle reliever. Before that, 54 utterly s***** starts. Always the same sequence. Detroit's problem is that their whole bullpen is bad, not that they don't have an adequate closer.

 

Koji Uehara this year, taking over from whoever else was closing. Jim Johnson, decent middle reliever given a shot at the closer job, goes from 9 saves to 51. Joe Nathan, failed horribly as a starter with San Fran, has a good year in the bullpen as a middle reliever, tried out as closer in 2004 with the Twins where he racked up 44 saves. Mariano Rivera, came up as a starter in 1995, and blew chunks. Moved to the BP where he excelled for a year while Wetteland closed. Moved to closing in 1997 and the rest is history. Sergio Romo, really good reliever, eventually 8th inning guy, took over as a successful closer after the departure of Wilson.

 

I feel like I shouldn't need to go on, but I probably do because it might go over your head.

[jays_fever]

FYI..if the closer is bad, either the entire pen is bad or the manager is an idiot and isnt the right guy in the 9th inning. Pitching the 9th doesnt suddenly make you a worse pitcher and only a handful of guys can do it.

[Angrioter]

Tigers have Benoit, who just had a great year. Previously, pretty good middle reliever. Before that, 54 utterly s***** starts. Always the same sequence. Detroit's problem is that their whole bullpen is bad, not that they don't have an adequate closer.

 

Koji Uehara this year, taking over from whoever else was closing. Jim Johnson, decent middle reliever given a shot at the closer job, goes from 9 saves to 51. Joe Nathan, failed horribly as a starter with San Fran, has a good year in the bullpen as a middle reliever, tried out as closer in 2004 with the Twins where he racked up 44 saves. Mariano Rivera, came up as a starter in 1995, and blew chunks. Moved to the BP where he excelled for a year while Wetteland closed. Moved to closing in 1997 and the rest is history. Sergio Romo, really good reliever, eventually 8th inning guy, took over as a successful closer after the departure of Wilson.

 

I feel like I shouldn't need to go on, but I probably do because it might go over your head.

 

Jason Grilli, Luke Gregerson, Matt Adams

[Cooler Heads Prevail]

Tigers have Benoit, who just had a great year. Previously, pretty good middle reliever. Before that, 54 utterly s***** starts. Always the same sequence. Detroit's problem is that their whole bullpen is bad, not that they don't have an adequate closer.

 

Koji Uehara this year, taking over from whoever else was closing. Jim Johnson, decent middle reliever given a shot at the closer job, goes from 9 saves to 51. Joe Nathan, failed horribly as a starter with San Fran, has a good year in the bullpen as a middle reliever, tried out as closer in 2004 with the Twins where he racked up 44 saves. Mariano Rivera, came up as a starter in 1995, and blew chunks. Moved to the BP where he excelled for a year while Wetteland closed. Moved to closing in 1997 and the rest is history. Sergio Romo, really good reliever, eventually 8th inning guy, took over as a successful closer after the departure of Wilson.

 

I feel like I shouldn't need to go on, but I probably do because it might go over your head.

 

It went right over your head that despite all the new closers this year that there is still a strong free agent market for the same. And I'll add one point, the nature of the position is almost every year you get guys who suddenly become effective in the role for a year maybe two, then they lose the job. The guys who have legit value and are not easily replaced are the guys who succeed in the role on a longer term basis. Let's see how some of these new guys do in two years time.

 

Rivera by the way was always considered to be a potential closer even in the minors. I drafted him in my fantasy league before he made the Yankees. He was the last guy on my extended roster of 40 at a $2 salary. His main bio at the time was huge velocity. And one of the hardest things to find in our pool was a reliable closer at a decent price. Because there weren't enough to go around.

Edited November 7, 2013 by Cooler Heads Prevail

[Howard Roark]

Her reading comprehension skills are off the charts..he never once said Cecil was a poor pitcher or baseball player and even clarified. The she just went full retard

 

It's common knowledge among men who refuse to ******** themselves that women are NOT logical creatures. They argue points exclusively from an emotional aspect, logic is foreign to them once feeeeeewings are involved.

 

Refuse to debate women or children, it's a waste of time.

[DuckDuckGose]

It went right over your head that despite all these new closers this year that there is still a strong free agent market for the same. And I'll add one point, the nature of the position is almost every year you get guys who suddenly become effective in the role for a year maybe two, then they lose the job. The guys who have legit value and are not easily replaced are the guys who succeed in the role on a longer term basis. Let's see how some of these new guys do in two years time.

 

You said it yourself most closers are only short-term solutions. Why would you go out and sign them to big money long term deals? Especially when they are also the easiest to acquire?