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for sure - I agree.

OK - you wanted them to find a home for some guys who previously had a pedigree - to see if something would stick. I have no problem with that. Joey Bart was DFA'd, but I believe he was traded before was put on waivers. I have to assume Pittsburgh thought they had to trade for him, as he wouldn't make it to them in the claims process. The Jays would have had to assume the same. He's out of options and I don't think he could have been sent down without clearing waivers, which was highly unlikely to happen (hence why Pittsburgh traded for him). Do we really want the Jays to trade for him and then roster Jansen, Kirk and Bart? Can you see why some might suggest that's not a great fit? You wanted Jo Adell. Could we have traded for Jo Adell and rostered him instead of Voggy? Sure. Is there anyway you would have traded for Adell and planned to play him regularly (instead of signing KK)? Absolutely not - not for a team trying to make the playoffs. A team like the Rockies could have done this, but not the Jays. Could Adell have sat on the roster to start the year and then worked his way into the lineup? Sure he could have, but that's a really difficult assignment for someone without much experience. You may recall Atkins did something like this quite recently with Bradley Zimmer - who was also a former top prospect, who was coming off a much more successful season than Adell has ever had. As you can see, the likelihood that type of move works out is quite low and often isn't something that playoff type teams do. Most on here completely ripped Atkins for adding Zimmer. Personally, I separate results for process and don't have a huge issue with that type of move, even knowing it fails 9 times out of 10. O'Neil? I mean sure, he was another risk/reward type player. I don't know if we could afford that type of risk as a starting LFer. There's probably an 80% chance (maybe higher?) he's an often injured 0.5-1 WAR, sub 100 wRC+ OFer like he's been every year except 2021. I wouldn't have had any issue adding him as a 4th OFer and swinging for the fences more. Guys like Profar? I mean they are looking for opportunity and there's a good chance they had no interest in coming here and at the end of the day, you can't just cherry pick the s*** that stuck to the wall without acknowledging the s*** the fall off. Every team tries to find s*** that sticks, but most fail (even a great org like LA can't make s*** like Kiki Hernandez stick). Amed Rosario Gio Urshela Kike Hernandez Nick Senzel Dom Smith Hunter Dozier Jesse Winker Austin Nola There are lists and lists of guys with a pedigree, or previous success that teams take flyers on every year. Even for the great orgs - most of them fall off the wall man. I don't try to pretend that GM's really know who has a bit of glue left on them. Could we have throw more s*** against the wall instead of keeping our incumbents (Biggio and Clement I guess)? Sure - we could have, but they have as much chance of sticking as the others. Biggio is a guy with pedigree who other teams would have thrown against the wall too. I can appreciate that things have failed and people will question moves - as Jim said, I think a little context helps. Pointing out the Jays could have traded for Joey Bart without acknowledging that would have meant carrying 3 catchers on the ML roster comes off a mindless drivel.

Big Wilner supporter eh? Nice.

It wasn't so long ago that LOTS of people were saying this about the Blue Jays offense - even back in 2015/16.

lol

Bednar and the Diaz brothers all do

I'm sorry - I was just told we could have added Joey Bart for nothing or we could have added Jo Adell for nothing. I'm added onto those great posts, by offering up other players we could have had for nothing. This board needs more useless posts.

Atkins ought to have known this. What a dumbass.

Atkins is so stupid, he should have signed Profar and Mike Tauchman instead of wasting money on Turner and KK. Profar, Tauchman and Joey Bart should have been the offseason plan.

His career reminds me of Chase Utley a bit...difference is Utley didn't start as early as Ramirez.

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To be fair, reconciliation of the atrocities to native/indigenous people is a country wide thing. I'm not sure that is appropriate for a City Connect theme. Colorado put the Rockies on their chest, Houston did a space theme, Detroit did Motor City.........we put the CN Tower - such a shock.

He expected a 39 year old to start 162 games? That's odd. Voggy's started like 9 of 52 games. It's not like he's the new starting DH.

I find it hilarious that people are surprised these city connect jerseys suck balls. They literally all suck balls. The only one I can stomach is TB. The Toronto skyline, with the CN Tower on it? Seems about what I expected.

Voggy wRC+ v. RHP 2023 - 119 2022 - 148 2021 - 117 I have no idea why you're comparing him to Turner. Do you think Turner is too hot to take out of the lineup?

There might be 7 fans combined who watch the game today. The only thing worse than being a Jays fan right now, is being a White Sox fan.

It will be very interesting to see if Toronto is still able to attract and sign big name FA's. I think we looked a lot more appealing when we had the young Vlad/Bo core. I worry most top FA's will no longer want to play here unless we offer obscene amounts of money. I think the chances of Soto signing in Toronto are about -4.

You know Voggy has been very good v. RHP throughout his career right?

FFS - trading for a super toolsy player like Derek Fisher should not be viewed as a negative. That's how you land guys like Teo (which Atkins also did). It's a high risk/high reward move. Those moves are going to fail more than they succeed. You want to rip on him for trading for Brandon Drury? yeah, OK, go for it. The guy's shown over the past couple of years exactly why Atkins wanted him. It just didn't happen for him in Toronto and there are all kinds of reasons that may have happened. Players don't always breakout when you want and can struggle when moving into a new environment. Varsho's a good example of that right now. Like all GM's, there have been trades that have worked out and trades that have flopped. Atkins has made small moves that worked out great (Teo, Espinal), he's made some big splashes that have worked out too (Chapman, Berrios and potentially Varsho). He's also made some stinkers. In all reality, it seems unlikely they will actually start a full blown rebuild this year. We could see some pieces moved at the deadline (Kikucci, Jansen, Yimi, etc.), but it seems highly unlikely they'll be making any franchise altering moves. A new GM will be brought in this offseason and that's when we'll see larger moves made.

what on earth does that have to do with Joey Bart?

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https://www.mlb.com/news/joey-bart-traded-to-pirates-from-giants#:~:text=The%20Pirates%20added%20to%20their,professional%20game%20with%20the%20organization. Regardless, the Pirates flung a steaming pile of s*** against the wall and hoped it stuck and for 21 games, it somehow has. Blaming your home team for not acquiring and throwing the same pile of steaming s*** is really stupid. You can't just take all the lottery tickets that have "hit" and say "well our stupid GM should have signed/traded for that guy!"

Imagine complaining the Jays didn't trade for Joey Bart.

I was on a trip in the DR and returned holding firm that this team blows and should be blown up. Your obsession with me is sad and creepy.

He said I jumped right back on the bandwagon after we beat the White Sox and Tigers. I'm asking for any evidence that happened. Is that ok with you meat?