Brownie19

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100% One of the best ever. It's crazy to think he died after a bout with pneumonia. RIP

Tons of risk in this approach. The last few Rizzo years have been challenging already.

I think that goes without saying ..100%

I'd agree on sunk costs for Bregman. Teo at 3 years shouldn't be too bad. The prospects we receive for Bo would hopefully give us enough to get Robert (although his value may have dropped already following a terrible 2024). But yes - overall, this is likely a bit of a pipe dream scenario...

Yeah - after 4 years in a coffin. Dead cat bounce. Votto had 1 too.

You're not adding a frontline SPer to this. No budget for it.

That's why I said it's Russian Roulette. Miggy died at age 34, Votto died at age 35, Carlos Santana died at age 34. But Freeman won WS MVP at age 34 - so who knows.

They trotted Singleton out there last year because the last old 1st baseman they signed immediately fell off a cliff (albeit he was 36).

At 34, it will be a little russian roulette to see if he gives them more than 1 good year. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a Goldy type decline. Great at 34, steep decline at 35 and replacement level at 36.

Interesting. The market is still pretty warm IMO, but $20M AAV for an aging 3 WAR player isn't bad business.

I think I'm up for all of this if it were to happen. That's assuming we get a good return for Bo. Bregman and Bo are almost completely opposite hitters. Bo swings a ton and uses his physical skills to hit the ball hard, but stats like Chase%, Whiff%, K% and BB% all suck. Bregman is the opposite. He generally excels in Chase%, Whiff%, K% and BB% (albeit BB% dropped hard last year), but doesn't wow you with exit velo and such. It will be interesting to see which skillset ages better. Neither of them run well anymore, but Bregman offers more defensively. If they think Gimenez can be above average defensively at SS, then you can certainly see this approach helping out defense. If you could sign Teo (3 years $66M) and trade for Robert (maybe using pieces from the Bo trade), then this starts to look really solid. You could also trade for Naylor (and Bo Naylor?) and play him at 1st/DH, with Teo sliding into LF. C - Kirk 1st - Vlad 2nd - Wagner/Leo SS - Gimenez 3rd - Bregman LF - Robert CF - Varsho RF - Springer DH - Teo That's a lineup with WS potential IMO. No idea where that would leave us from a budget perspective and we'd still have to patch the bullpen (Minter, LeClerc, Hoffman, etc.) and the SP depth (Lynn?), but it wouldn't be hard to get excited about this team for 2025. Make it happen Ross.

I don't know what Atkins has to do with this. I'm providing my opinion on Kepler. I assume this is some kind of crack about signing KK last year. But even KK has been over 100 wRC+ in 5 of his 11 ML seasons, with elite defense. I see a lot more risk than reward in Kepler myself. That said, his statcast page does look solid. It is odd he's been so inconsistent and generally weak at the plate throughout his career.

I think $10M seems really high for a guy who's been over 99 wRC+ in just once in the past 4 years and 3 times in 9 seasons for his career. He seems like an expensive 4th OFer to me. But he was really good in 2023, so maybe.

Also 5 BB/9, but yes, he was good. Still an expensive gamble, especially when you consider all the injuries he's battled.

That's really the answer - and that's fine - maybe just say that upfront, or otherwise try and explain why you thought he'd be a good fit? Unfortunately there's really not a lot to like. He was awful last year and lost the extra MPH he had in 2023. I was just wondering if I missed some angle - like after [insert date] he changed his pitch usage and finished the season strong, or he added a pitch or something. He just felt like a tough fit for the Jays. They don't need a long man if Yariel is going to fill that role to start the year and I don't think you want a 2nd long man out of the pen? So you'd be signing him for the 5th spot, which takes you out of the running for another SPer (unless you're trying to deal Bassitt or something). It just seemed like something you'd only consider if you've decided to give up on a quality FA starter and want to go the cheap route for the 5th starter spot - and if they do that, there will be lots of decent options - like a Lance Lynn. If AA doesn't want him with the depth they have, then I'd stay clear myself.

Indeed. I liked him as an option for the pen, but not at that price. Can't blame Atkins for passing IMO.

I know you've been going on about him all offsason, but does he have untapped potential? He's entering his age 29 season and has had one year with an xFIP below 4.72. His statcast page is frosty blue. He as projected to get $5.1M in arbitration and the Braves, who are seemingly short on rotation depth - nontendered him. If AA didn't want him, given their paper thin rotation, for me, that's a sign. I don't see anyway the Jays could have added him now unless they'd decided to essentially abandon the rotation and wanted to spend all their money on offense/bullpen.

Mets, Griffin Canning agree to 1-yr, $4.25M deal

Oh great - you've got a new shtick.

That is really well put Jonn.

Oh that's a great one. Shame on that **** Atkins for not giving Manoah a massive extension. We should all shame him. Espinal too - that guy was an all-star and we didn't extend him? f***ing morons.

Bo also comes with a very risky profile for long term success. But that, or the inconsistencies of Vlad don't really matter. Atkins is s*** for not extending players period. I mean some nobody from the Score, who gets paid based on the number of clicks said so in a tweet that lacks context, or any type of comparison. We should all be alarmed and angry. Who doesn't want Kirk locked up for the next 6 years?

I don't think fans care how good his defense is. They want offense.

Not surprising the Otis Nixon fan is in favor of adding a limp dick bat who can run You do raise some valid points.