Brownie19

Kirk and Varsho both showed a lot more with the bat in the minors and in previous seasons.

I just wanted to point out that you sound dumb for listing bat speed as your first metric. That's all. I agree that Gimenez can't hit and likely never will.

You know bat speed isn't a good predictor of success eh?

It was always unrealistic to expect the Jays to be out there landing multiple big name free agents and plugging holes with the perfect fits. That also would have likely put us in a difficult position moving forward. But I do hear what you're saying.

Man - that would certainly be a welcome sight.

OK - so you're firmly in the camp that believes overpaying FA's like Santander, Teo, Burnes, etc. is the way to go. We'll see how that plays out. I don't think building through free agency is the way to go. Never have (no matter how exciting it is to land a big name).

I agree, but it's also just a reality of baseball. Teams go in cycles. Our cycle was 2020-2023 and then a failed 2024. a 4 year contention window is solid, yet unspectacular. The window has closed, time to rebuild.

Raises the floor for next year and he "does" have potential to develop into a 5 WAR player if he can learn to hit as he enters his prime. They still want butts in seats and he's a 3 time GG winner. He also fills a hole at SS when Bo leaves. I suspect Horwitz has very little trade value.

Make up your mind. The cost for talent is astronomical. Do you want them to pay up for Santander or not? We're not getting him for 3 years $60M. You either want him for $100M+ or you think that's insane and they should stay clear of that time bomb. The Jays aren't adding 2 bats to this lineup. They don't have the money to spend and nobody wants to sign here anyway. If you ask me, we're preparing to sell. Gimenez is overpaid, but it won't matter when we are rebuilding. He can take over SS from Bo and hopefully help protect our new young pitchers (post sell-off) with good defense and if he ever figures out how to hit (he is just entering his prime), then he has 4-5 WAR upside and could become a tradable asset. We're not signing Burnes, we're not signing Teo, we're not signing Santander, we're not signing Joc. We're hopefully signing bounce back candidates and guys on short term deals that have value at the deadline. The only thing we have to offer to a FA is a starting position. Players wil come here on 1 year, prove it deals, but nothing more. We may also see more trades like this - just to shake things up and I do suspect we'll add a closer - simply because we offer opportunity to close, as that door is wide open. They'll hope the guys they add start out hot so people fill the dome early in the year to drive revenue, but let's be very clear - we're not contending in 2025 - we simply aren't.

Yeah - those f***ing morons couldn't see thru the 65 wRC+ production he was providing in AAA to see he was actually a 2.5 WAR player.

Justin Turner's available still isn't he?

It's hilarious that people question the addition of someone projected for 3.1 WAR season, but actually want us to sign Santander (probably for 4-5 years $100-$120M) to add his projected 2.5 WAR (119 wRC+ bat).

Edman is 4 years older. The reality is we're back to the point where nobody wants to sign in Toronto, so we can't just "go sign Edman for 5/70".

In all likelihood, we may need to replace the offense Bo and Horwitz were projected to provide, plus add more offense. No sense in waiting - you know Atkins will f*** this up.

This team is cursed.

4th round pick last year. Hit well in A ball as a 20 year old.

Save your eyes people - DO NOT go view Gimenez's statscast page. There's literally no evidence or indication that Gimenez will ever hit. The only guy with a shittier statcast page is Varsho.

I'm dead serious. I think today has been a disaster. I hate the Yimi signing. Everyone around here HATED Yimi until he put up 2-3 good months to start 2024. I expect the probability he pitches like he did to start 2024 is like 6%. I think there's a 80% chance he spends time on the IL with elbow injuries over the next 2 years and I expect inconsistent, middling results. I would guess there's a 60% chance he finishes his contract having given us a 3.94 ERA and 0.7 WAR. Then we f***ing drop from 5th to 8th in the draft. Then we add Gimenez, who hits like Goins and we deal away a hitter projected for a 123 wRC+ when we NEED hitting. At the end of the day - I suspect NONE of this matters at all. The Jays are going to SUCK BALLS in 2025 and for the foreseeable future. Personally - I enjoy watching new young players, so it doesn't bother me much - but my kids won't understand this and may lose interest in the Jays/baseball due to this shitshow. f*** Rogers and their desire to sell corporate tickets to a bunch of rich *******s. Greedy f***ing ****s.

Yep - nothing like adding a loser who's combined for -1 WAR over the last 2 years and throws 92.5 MPH. I guess someone is going to have to soak up 70 s***ing innings when we're getting blown out in 2025. Might as well be Sandlin.

I think I'll just cancel my Rogers subscription. I will reiterate again - can we just fast forward to the trade deadline? Nothing we do is going to matter. We're a 4th or 5th place team about to lose both Vlad and Bo. What a miserable franchise and fan base to cheer for.

I suspect there's a 95% chance this blows up in Atkins' face. Jimi will blow a handful of leads early in the season, land on the IL and generally provide little to no value. Meanwhile, Romano will save 53 games with an ERA of 2.25.

He's a better hitter than Santander and won't cost $125M. His sprint speed is fine, so I can't imagine he's any worse than Tony defensively.

Why would the Cubs move Suzuki? Are they just rebuilding now and want to strike while these prices are insanely high?

It's a festivus miracle!

He is, but that isn't surprising, given how little he's played there since HS/College. It's incredible how versatile he is. If there's anyone who can transform themselves from a RFer into an average defensive SS, it's Mookie.