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  1. glory
    Yeah this type of role is probably ideal for Mattingly since he doesn’t have to feel emasculated by having to take orders from Atkins, while also possibly using him in a role where his strengths from a managerial standpoint can be used more effectively (whatever those strengths might be).
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    glory replied to Jimcanuck's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk

    A trade with Jansen and Grisham as the main pieces seems pretty reasonable. I'm not sure the Padres do it because they only have 3 OF's on their entire 40 man roster right now, so they'd need to acquire an OF or two before they moved Grisham, but if they were to do that, then it fills needs for both teams and it's the type of deal one should reasonably expect in return for Jansen. Grisham seems more likely to post a plus 100 wRC+ than Bellinger is, and he comes with 3 years of cheap control from ages 26-28. Reality is, Jansen is not going to get any of the Arizona OF's, and likely won't get someone as controllable as Nootbaar. Best bet is to get a similarly valued and controlled player who fills an area of need. Obviously if the Jays did not have a catcher surplus, then Jansen would be an extension candidate right now rather than a trade chip, but since he is a trade chip, you have to factor in a lot of his deficiencies (health, lack of track record, control) into his value. He's probably not going to fetch as much as he should in a trade, which is why some have argued to trade one of the other catchers depending on the return.
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    The team has more big league catching options than big league outfield options right now. There will be another move. Whether the move is good or not remains to be seen but there will be a move.
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    I don't know if it's so much Bellinger love or just realistically looking at the options. Nimmo is going to cost something ridiculous like 5/120 or 6/130. Kiemaier is going to be 33 coming off hip surgery. FA market is not good for CF. Bellinger only wants a 1 year deal so even if he still sucks with the bat it's not going to tie the team down for years. With that said, the team definitely needs to add another OF even if they sign Bellinger, preferably one that is controllable. Next year's CF market isn't any better. I've always been on the "trade with Arizona" train, but I'm doubling down on it now. CF is hard as hell to fill, especially a LH CF. They have 4 LH CF and the Jays have 3 big league catchers. There's a trade in there somewhere. Just find it already.
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    If Bellinger can be a 90-100 wRC+ guy with his defense and base running, he'd be a pretty valuable player. Will the shift changes, Rogers Centre, and maybe some better health (if he's still battling issues) get him to that level? I have no idea, but as long as that's the expectation and not 2019 Bellinger, then it's probably worth the gamble on a one year deal. But yes, there is real risk of him being the same guy he's been in 2021-22. He wouldn't be available if there wasn't that risk.
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    Yeah, not only because of recent history (Semien), but the Jays have a s*** outfield aside from Springer. They'd play Bellinger everyday out of sheer necessity. I'm sure Bellinger/Boras both want it.
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    If the Jays were to get Bellinger, then I would imagine they'd try to get a long term OF option as well. Whether that's one of Arizona's OF's, or St. Louis, or somewhere else. I can't see Atkins going into 2024 with only one OF under contract especially since the minor league system isn't close to developing one. I would agree that if Bellinger was it in terms of position player acquisitions, then it would be a huge mistake.
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    Latest from Rosenthal re: Arizona centerfielders. I'm not sure how good McCarthy is, as his Savant page looks very blue other than speed, but sounds like he'd be the most realistic trade target from the D-Backs.
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    Probably depends on when Nimmo signs. He might be the Jays top target (logically, not because of Boboa), and if they fail on him, then they'll move on to other options.
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    Yeah we can't assume anything yet, but Pearson as a RP in September 2021 looked pretty good. If the Jays give up on him as a SP or a bulk reliever, and just tell him to let loose for one inning appearances, then I think that's his best shot of being a contributor. Of course he has to stay healthy, and that's the biggest question mark with him.
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    Jeff Passan seems to think that Nimmo's deal will resemble Shin Soo Choo's, and I want nothing to do with that type of contract for him. I think the Jays interest in him is probably real, but if the numbers get into the six year range and well over $100m, then I would hope the Jays pass. I might feel more comfortable with a Nimmo overpay if at least one of Vlad/Bo were extended, but to have that lingering and then add another $100m contract to a guy in his 30s is playing with fire.
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    I read something about them wanting to reset their CBT status so this might be the off season where they lay low (by their standards) and then splurge again next winter.
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    As I look at the Jays current situation more, I'm actually starting to think that the Nimmo talk is legit. Only OF locked up beyond 2023 is Springer. The highest ranked OF in the farm system right now is Gabriel Martinez and he was left unprotected, so you know he's not that close. Next one after that is Dasan Brown who is far off. The best OF options in free agency aside from Nimmo are all one year options (Conforto, Belly, Brantley, KK, etc). Quick look at next year's FA market, and the CF's out there will be Bader (RH), Kike (RH), and Bellinger. I don't think Atkins leaves this off season without another OF who is controllable beyond 2023. I think it's either going to be an ugly overpay for Nimmo or a catcher traded for a OF.
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    Mets have non tendered Dom Smith. Looked like he finally turned the corner in 2019-20 but fell off afterwards.
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    Bellinger is a Boras guy so there's likely no chance for a team option to be tacked on. Maybe a mutual option with a buyout but those are bogus anyway. If the Jays are looking for a legit starting CF option, then it's either Nimmo, Bellinger, Kiermaier, or trade. Even if Bellinger is a very flawed option, there isn't much there. I feel like the team that gives Nimmo $100+ million is going to regret it and I'd rather it not be the Jays, so the options beyond that are slim.
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    Yeah would prefer Bellinger (if non tendered) over Kiermaier if those were my options. Both would provide plus defense and baserunning, but at least you could pray that Bellinger is fixable and the bat might be average or better with some tinkering/luck. KK is what he is, and in his 30's now.
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    Yeah that's probably the deal to make if it's available. Nootbaar isn't a legit CF like Thomas is but if he can play there enough to have Springer DH/play RF for a good part of the season, then it can work defensively. Plus you get 5 years of control on a LHH outfielder who can contribute right away (less risk). Not sure if the Cards would do it, but definitely the deal that makes the most sense for the Jays from a short and long term standpoint.
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    I wouldn't be against trading Kirk, but there is some risk to the 2023 team in that scenario. Trading him after trading Hernandez, without getting an established good hitter in return is losing a lot of potential offense. Trading Moreno in that scenario might make more sense since Kirk/Jansen is an established elite catching tandem, while Moreno could take years to fully develop. If they trade Kirk in this type of deal then they'd have to have at least one hitter lined up to acquire who could hit in the top 4 in the lineup. I guess Kirk for Thomas + pitcher combined with signing Conforto has potential to turn into a net positive combining defense, base running, lineup balance, upside, etc, but there's still some risk there. That's kind of the fascinating part in all of this. You can make an argument for trading any of the 3 catchers. Atkins has a tough decision to make, but I guess tough in a good way.
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    After tonight's trade, the D-Backs now have Carroll, Varsho, Thomas, McCarthy, and Lewis, plus some depth like Garrett and Fletcher in AAA. They look much more equipped to pull off a CF for CA trade than the Cardinals do. Just a matter of making the pieces fit.
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    I don’t think Atkins would trade Kirk for someone with less team control. I could see trading Kirk for someone like Thomas who has 6 years of control left.
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    Agreed. I can’t comment on his minor league numbers or prospect status since I never heard of him before he came to the big leagues but what he’s done in the Majors so far is not a fluke based on Savant metrics, and 2023 projections like him. The key is if he can play CF. He didn’t spend much time there with the Cardinals, likely due to Carlson, but he might be able to play CF for at least parts of the season (Springer will DH a lot so they’ll need a CF regardless). Still a trade I would make if it were possible, but not sure if it is. With Atkins talking about balancing the lineup, I don’t think they’d want O’Neill. They clearly want left handed bats so I think that’s the direction they go in regardless of who they pick up.
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