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Yeah if the team had any minor league prospects on the horizon you could play the risk averse card, but the team practically has no position player prospects aside from Barger who look like they can contribute in 2023-25 barring Orelvis learning how to make contact. Nimmo is probably going to cost something like 6/140 in this market, but as mentioned it might be worth it for the Jays more than most teams given their lack of anything resembling outfielders in the org. Even Springer is probably going to DH a bunch when he's on the field, so the Jays badly need help there.

The only issue with that plan is that it would mean Springer would be the only OF on the roster beyond 2023 as Gurriel, Conforto, KK, and Merrifield (if he counts as one) would all be free agents in that scenario. I guess you could offer more than one year to KK, but not sure that's the best idea for a 1-2 WAR player in his mid 30's whose value is entirely defense. As much as I would dread what a Nimmo contract would look like, right now he probably makes the most sense for the Jays if the intention is to win within the next 3 years. There doesn't seem to be any traction with a Vlad/Bo extension, and this winter's FA market is probably dissuading them from signing anything now. Nimmo maximizes 2023-25 wins more than anyone else realistically available unless the Jays want to sign Correa, which I don't see happening. One year stopgaps would make sense if they want to spend a ton to extend Vlad and Bo right now, but if that's not happening and if they have a feeling it may not happen at all, then spending big on Nimmo might actually be reasonable. You're not getting this type of window again for a while. I'm not saying I want them to sign Nimmo, just that you could argue it makes the most sense for where the team is.

Yeah the Jays desperately need good OF's that are controllable, but getting anything in free agency right now is very expensive, and if you're going for a smaller move, then it's much easier to get a capable stopgap in the OF than a reasonably priced SP right now. I think Kepler in a trade with the Twins is starting to make a lot of sense. He has a 1+1 deal so at the very least he's a 2024 OF option if he's not awful in 2023, and the Twins probably won't expect much for him. Stick him in RF, get a 2 WAR, and then trade Jansen/a catcher for the best SP you can get. The Marlins are apparently listening on everyone except Alcantara, and they have SP depth. I doubt Jansen can get Lopez or Rogers. Maybe Luzardo is possible given his injury issues and lack of track record?

Nothing was going to happen with any catcher via trade until Contreras signed. Now it's basically Sean Murphy and the Jays catchers as the best options so something should happen soon. Although I agree that Jansen is not going to get the type of return he's probably worth, and I don't think Atkins is going to trade Kirk or Moreno.

Sucks that he went to the Cardinals since that takes a trade suitor away from the Jays, but at least now we should see some movement on the catching market. Murphy will get moved, and then the Jays should have a better idea of what's available to them via trade.

Chaim Bloom is terrible. I can't think of a single thing he's done other than drafting Whitlock in the Rule 5 that was any good. I guess signing Kike who had a nice 2021. Other than that he's whiffed on almost everything else.

If the Cardinals get Contreras, then I have no idea where the Jays are trading a catcher. Murphy is also out there so Jansen's market is shrinking. Kirk and Moreno will have a wider market but also are less likely to be moved.

If the money was close, then he's much better off on the Yankees. He's going to be a lifetime Yankee now, and if he cares about endorsements and things like that then the Yankees are the brand to be associated with. Obviously if the Giants offer blew everyone out the water, then that's different, but I'm guessing the offers were close enough to where leaving NY didn't make sense for him. Cashman is going to have to start developing cheap young talent now because Judge/Stanton/Cole is a lot of money for 3 players locked up for a long time.

Not sure that’s likely this off season unless an Arizona trade happens. Nimmo and Kiermaier are all that’s left in free agency. My guess is KK goes to the Dodgers, and Nimmo’s price is not going to be reasonable at all. Springer in CF for one more year isn’t the worst option but it’s looking increasingly more likely barring a trade. At this rate it wouldn’t surprise me if the OF pickup is a trade for Max Kepler. Free agency is expensive and with a lot of teams having money and actually trying to field a decent team, it’s basically the opposite of what the market was like in 2020-21 when the Jays were able to flex their muscles in free agency.

Walker getting 4/72 is crazy.

Heyman not only jumping the gun but typing "Arson Judge" is amazing. I hope trying to be first was worth his credibility dropping.

Heaney signing with the Rangers. No mention of the contract, but I'm guessing it's going to be way too much.

Heyman is a Boras mouthpiece, so take it for what you will, but if Bellinger wants anywhere near 1/20, then hopefully the Jays pass.

So the Jays reportedly made offers to Verlander, Heaney, and Gibson. Pretty much the entire spectrum of available pitching, from the top end, to the middle, to the lower end. Curious to see who they end up with. I'm guessing Heaney, but hopefully they are aiming a lot higher.

Yeah, I think Heaney will end up with the Jays, but I'm terrified of what the contract will look like given how the market is right now.

I'm guessing they increased the years to lower the AAV for CBT reasons, but holy s***, 11 years for a guy about to turn 30 is crazy.

Phillies getting Trea Turner according to Passan.

Verlander's deal with the Mets is 2/86 with a vesting option for the 3rd year.

Goes without saying, this makes a lot of sense for the Jays.

deGrom signed a below market extension with the Mets that had a s*** load of deferred money. I think he regretted that almost instantly and wanted to make up for it here.

Based on Atkins' history and the market itself, it's going to be a FA signing, if anything. The catcher trade will depend on a lot of other factors (where Contreras goes, where Murphy is traded, etc) that are out of his control, so that might come later in the winter.

I'm sure the Rays are going to turn Eflin into a much better pitcher, but if he's getting a $13m AAV over 3 years, then yeah the SP market is going to be expensive.

That's why turning one of the catchers into a CF is really the only way to restore some organizational balance. The Jays have 3 catchers and literally one OF signed beyond 2023 with nothing close in the minors. I think you could probably live with Nootbaar + a short term deal for someone like Kiermaier to bide some time, but ideally you turn a catcher into a long term CF, and then go year to year with LF until a longer term option presents itself.

Seems the Jansen/Nootbaar talk has surfaced because of (who else) Morosi talking about it on MLB Network. I doubt the Cardinals make that deal, but at least Morosi is talking about a deal that benefits the Jays this time, which is better than him trying to make Teoscar for Flexen seem like a fair deal a few weeks ago.