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  1. Orelvis being a butcher defensively is disappointing. He had a clear path to the big leagues if he was a 3B but sounds like he’s barely a 2B. Not sure what to think of his potential impact at this point. Roden and Barger being legit OF prospects would be nice. The Jays don’t develop LHH outfielders very often. The only “franchise altering trade” would have to involve Bichette or Vlad. No one else on the big league roster is moving the needle that much. I doubt we will see something like that this winter but who knows.
  2. Pederson’s savant page looks good. I’d be fine with it.
  3. The two spots the Jays can add the most wins via free agency, assuming they have the money left to pull it off, is SP and DH. Unfortunately this is an awful market for 3B and OF. So I think there is some merit to signing a SP this winter, especially if they can get one on a shorter term contract, which is why I think Stroman makes a lot of sense for this team. Where they will have to make a trade, or risk having to start IKF, is 3B.
  4. Definitely feels like a bird in the hand type of scenario where they'd rather have KK and IKF than wait for something better and be left scrambling if it didn't happen. If the Jays happen to find a way to fill 3B, LF, and DH within their budget and have KK/IKF on the bench, then that would be the ideal scenario. I just don't see it happening.
  5. Ideally both IKF and KK would be bench players, but that would mean they'd still need to add an OF, 3B, and DH while already using $18M on those two. Maybe they have more money to spend than people think but more likely at least one of them will be starting next season.
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    Barrett is kinda trash but Quickley is a good pickup. I can see him and Barnes meshing well together. At least Masai actually made a pro active trade. He held on to assets way too long the last few years and either got little back (Lowry) or nothing back (Fred). Now trade Siakam and give Barnes the keys.
  7. Unless IKF is the starting 3B (god I hope not), then I think they will trade for a 3B option. There simply isn't anything on the free agent market besides Chapman who would be a costly (and likely bad) long term investment. Turning Manoah into a 3B with some control is probably the plan. Whether that is possible is another story. If the Cardinals are still on the market for SP, then Manoah+ for someone like Brendan Donovan would be a great move for the Jays, but don't know if the Cards still want pitching after all their signings or whether they'd even want to move Donovan for Manoah. I'm drawing a blank as far as who they can trade for. I doubt they'd want Machado's contract even if the Padres ate a bunch of it. The one spot where they can use free agency is clearly DH, as there are a bunch of options there (JDM, Hoskins, Soler, Turner, etc). It's the infield where it gets tricky.
  8. The exit velocity and hard hit % increases were a result of an adjustment IKF and the Yankees made in 2023, so that at least paints a rosier picture for why the Jays coveted him, especially if they keep him in the infield (3B specifically) rather than put him in the OF.
  9. Yeah I think this plays a part. Atkins doesn't mind overpaying in years, dollars, or both for players he thinks the org can fix. Smoak was one, Kikuchi a more recent one. I think IKF having an extra gear offensively is a huge stretch and the Jays will be grateful to get a 2 WAR combined out of him over the next two years, but I don't think Atkins makes this type of move hoping he's a seldom played depth piece. For better or worse, he's getting 400+ PA. Whether that's as a bench player or starting 3B is the question. I really hope it's not the latter.
  10. Stroman on a Bassitt type of contract would be solid. He's usually pretty durable and consistent from a performance standpoint. Whether the Jays should be adding another $20m AAV starter is the question.
  11. Both IKF and Espinal project to be about 1 WAR players, and both are coming off bad replacement level seasons. I don't see how one is expendable and the other is worth $15m. Neither one should be getting the type of money/guarantee that IKF just got. There have been like 5 FA's who actually signed contracts this winter. IKF shouldn't have been this much of a priority.
  12. Robert Murray was on a podcast recently and mentioned there were trade targets no one has talked about. He wouldn’t mention specific names when asked but did mention Arraez as being a possible surprise trade piece. Given what the Jays look for in hitters nowadays, that’s probably a realistic trade target.
  13. Only way this makes sense is if the team plans to give the kids a chance to win the 3B job out of ST (Orelvis, Barger, Damiano), and IKF can be pushed aside if that happens. Otherwise I really don’t get it. I guess the other scenario is the Jays are going to trade an infielder and IKF takes that role but the only IF they could trade where IKF would be a suitable replacement is Espinal, and the Jays will get nothing back for him, and why would the Jays need to spend $15m to replace Espinal’s role to begin with?
  14. Awful. Not only a completely marginal player but somehow got a 2nd guaranteed year.
  15. Deal is official according to Robert Murray. 2/15 for IKF. Horrible.
  16. I could stomach Rosario at 2/15 since he has a 2+ WAR projection for 2024 and was slightly above league average offensively in 2021-22, so maybe there's some upside there, but IKF would be awful. Even if he's just an Espinal replacement, I'd probably just keep Espinal who would be cheaper.
  17. Agreed. Having an elite defensive CF with a questionable offensive projection and putting him in LF for the 2nd year in a row just seems like a waste. It's possible that the Jays did not want to commit to a multi year deal to any of the remaining FA outfielders, and KK was the only one who was willing to sign a one year deal. But again, let's see what the other moves are. A power hitting DH is essential now.
  18. I want absolutely no part of Matt Chapman on a long term deal, but the thought of IKF at 3B might change my mind.
  19. I highly doubt KK will be the 4th OF. I think he will be the primary CF any time he’s on the field, which means a lot of LF time for Varsho. I just don’t like trading for an elite defensive CF and then for the 2nd year in a row most likely using him in LF. Just seems like a waste. Unfortunately the FA market stinks for outfielders and the Jays likely wanted someone on fewer years so again I’m fine with it from a value/direction standpoint but if Varsho isn’t in CF almost everyday then it’s not the best use of the assets on the roster.
  20. The contract/value is fine, but Varsho should be the starting CF. Another season where he's in LF is not maximizing his value/strengths. I guess we will see what the rest of the moves are. I think the best part of this deal is that it signifies the team is going with the short term vetrin route rather than blowing their wads in a weak FA market. For that reason alone I'm probably ok with it overall, but let's add some legit power with the other moves.
  21. Davidi also wrote something a day or two ago comparing the Jays to the 2013 Red Sox, which seemed like a way to brace the fans for a ‘spread the risk’ off season, but within that article seemed to imply that the Jays would consider Bellinger too big of a risk given his profile. Whether that’s him speculating or based on some intel he’s received is anyone’s guess.
  22. The bulk of the good players on this team, if not all of them, are free agents either after 2025 (Vlad, Bo, Romano, Bassitt, Swanson, Mayza, Green) or 2026 (Gausman, Kirk, Varsho, Springer, maybe Berrios if he opts out). So yes there is a window, but flexibility can lead to having a more fluid view of the roster long term, and there are ways to expand the window (extensions, trades, reallocating funds). Right now the Jays are in a good spot where they don't have any albatross contracts and can easily pivot in direction depending on the circumstances. Where the Jays really have to start stepping up is internal player development. I'm not sure if Orelvis, Tiedemann, Roden, Schneider, Horowitz, Barger, Jimenez, etc (just naming prospects in AA/AAA that are close) are good enough to extend the window beyond 2025, but you kinda have to give them a shot (whichever ones aren't traded beforehand) to see if a couple can stick. Schneider last season was found money. I'm firmly in the "find the best 1-2 year deals you can get" category. Try to make the 2024-25 teams as good as possible but don't make a regrettable long term decision for the sake of trying to maximize a perceived window.
  23. It didn’t take long for Morosi to start peddling made up s*** again for engagement. I guess he felt enough time had passed since Ohtani gate. But yeah, Morosi aside, MAT would be a great 4th OF option.
  24. I'd much rather give Soto 12/600 than Bellinger 8/200, and I would hope Atkins sees it the same way.
  25. Yamamoto apparently signing with the Dodgers for over $300m. No Passan tweet yet but everyone else seems to be running with it. Either way, if it’s true, then maybe the off season can finally start.
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