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The Guardians are either getting WC3 or their division while the Jays saved them $38M in 2026 salary with the Gimenez, Straw, and Bieber trades. They eating good. 

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White sox 1/2 game up.  Houston not too far ahead of Texas as well.  Every day there are new opportunities opening up where we can back into the playoffs.  We are going to need to just win 1/3 from Baltimore though.  If Texas falters down the stretch we might make due with 1/3 in that series as well.

The orioles have the mets and the brewers after this series so we can assume we will only need 1/3 to win next time we play Baltimore.

So yea, 350-.450% ball gets us that wildcard.

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2 hours ago, glory said:

The Guardians are either getting WC3 or their division while the Jays saved them $38M in 2026 salary with the Gimenez, Straw, and Bieber trades. They eating good. 

Nothing against Gimenez, Straw or Bieber individually, but this is where the difference between organizations like Cleveland and Toronto really stands out.

Cleveland seems to churn out these types of players internally all the time: glove-first middle infielders, 4th/5th outfielders and solid mid-rotation arms. Meanwhile, the Jays are the team paying significant salaries to acquire players like Gimenez, Straw and Bieber.

Brayan Rocchio has already put up 3.1 WAR this season, they seemingly always have another Straw-type outfielder available somewhere in the organization, and they continue to develop young starters who can step into the rotation, like Messick and Cantillo.

That’s really the frustrating part. Cleveland can replace these types of players internally for close to the minimum, while Toronto often has to spend money or prospect capital to fill the exact same roles.

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1 hour ago, jaysblue said:

Nothing against Gimenez, Straw or Bieber individually, but this is where the difference between organizations like Cleveland and Toronto really stands out.

Cleveland seems to churn out these types of players internally all the time: glove-first middle infielders, 4th/5th outfielders and solid mid-rotation arms. Meanwhile, the Jays are the team paying significant salaries to acquire players like Gimenez, Straw and Bieber.

Brayan Rocchio has already put up 3.1 WAR this season, they seemingly always have another Straw-type outfielder available somewhere in the organization, and they continue to develop young starters who can step into the rotation, like Messick and Cantillo.

That’s really the frustrating part. Cleveland can replace these types of players internally for close to the minimum, while Toronto often has to spend money or prospect capital to fill the exact same roles.

Agreed. Objectively the Jays are not really a well run organization. Their biggest success came from an era where they had two star players in years 0-7 of service time and a high payroll to add free agents around them. Now one of those “stars” is a $35M a year albatross, the other is gone, and they don’t have a single young position player that projects to be significant surplus value going forward. Every time they need to fill a hole it’s either throwing money at it or trading prospects. Eventually that model is going to catch up to you unless there’s some positive player development mixed in.

There was absolutely zero reason to believe Gimenez was a $100M player. I’m still floored by that trade.

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2 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Nothing against Gimenez, Straw or Bieber individually, but this is where the difference between organizations like Cleveland and Toronto really stands out.

Cleveland seems to churn out these types of players internally all the time: glove-first middle infielders, 4th/5th outfielders and solid mid-rotation arms. Meanwhile, the Jays are the team paying significant salaries to acquire players like Gimenez, Straw and Bieber.

Brayan Rocchio has already put up 3.1 WAR this season, they seemingly always have another Straw-type outfielder available somewhere in the organization, and they continue to develop young starters who can step into the rotation, like Messick and Cantillo.

That’s really the frustrating part. Cleveland can replace these types of players internally for close to the minimum, while Toronto often has to spend money or prospect capital to fill the exact same roles.

Due to good vibes and smart budgeting, they also managed to sign their franchise third baseman to a VERY reasonable 7 year, $175,000,000 contract extension. Somehow our first baseman cost about triple that.

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3 hours ago, G-Snarls said:

Due to good vibes and smart budgeting, they also managed to sign their franchise third baseman to a VERY reasonable 7 year, $175,000,000 contract extension. Somehow our first baseman cost about triple that.

I don't think the Guardians would have enjoyed a chance to sign Ramirez long term had he not been willing to accept a well below market value extension contract. Contrast that with Vlad who essentially held the organization hostage through bad faith "negotiating" through the media, set a ridiculous contract demand value and refused to budge an inch before Edward Rogers blinked.

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Have to win tomorrow’s game. Ace on the mound on extra rest and a chance to win a series and create some distance in the standings on a team right behind you.

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Trevor rogers was good last game against the Indians but generally he isn’t the ace some thought he would be.  
 

Vlad could get his first home home run tomorrow that would be extra special.  A special thing for a special guy  

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