Blue Jays (Scherzer) vs Diamondbacks (Gallen): 4/18/26, 8:10pm

[Stangstag]

43 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Abreu is really a setup guy, and even at the end of last season, when Hader was out, he didn’t exactly look comfortable in the closer’s role.

Munoz wasn’t shaky last year, and Bednar is coming off a 2-WAR season. While Bednar has looked a little shaky at times, he really hasn’t been that bad beyond the high walk rate and 4.15 ERA. The strikeout numbers, FIP, and WAR still suggest he’s been fine overall.

Hoffman is the one who looked shaky for pretty much all of last season in the closer’s role, and it’s fair to wonder whether Game 7 last year has had more of a lingering effect than people want to admit. I still think he can be an effective arm for the Jays, just not necessarily in the ninth inning. His 2023 and 2024 seasons with the Phillies show a very different version of the pitcher.

His 2025 numbers are pretty much the same as his numbers with the Phillies, with the only real change being… an extremely ballooned homerun rate.

Not sure why exactly that’s happening but that’s the reason he’s stunk

[Spanky__99]

3 hours ago, jaysblue said:

Both our teams lost today brah! 

🖕

[JaysAllMighty]

7 hours ago, hanton said:

[Matheson] John Schneider says that Hoffman was used in the 8th today because the #BlueJays want to keep him on a more regular workload and not leave too long of a gap. He reiterated that Hoffman is the closer and stated his support for him multiple times, as he has in the past.

Schneider is a real ship Captain.  

[Landry_25]

1 hour ago, JaysAllMighty said:

Schneider is a real ship Captain.  

You spelled s*** wrong 

[Spanky__99]

What's Schneider doing wrong here? lol... he isn't going to throw him under the bus, nor is he going to say anything about the situation immediately following an L like that. He's just a mediator and clubhouse boss man, these decisions come from higher than his pay grade, I'm sure it's being discussed with the staff and FO, but he ain't sayin' s*** after that game.

[Eat My Shatkins]

23 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

What's Schneider doing wrong here? lol... he isn't going to throw him under the bus, nor is he going to say anything about the situation immediately following an L like that. He's just a mediator and clubhouse boss man, these decisions come from higher than his pay grade, I'm sure it's being discussed with the staff and FO, but he ain't sayin' s*** after that game.

They want Schneider to act the same way they do, like a whiny ***** fan on a message board.

[Stangstag]

29 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

What's Schneider doing wrong here? lol... he isn't going to throw him under the bus, nor is he going to say anything about the situation immediately following an L like that. He's just a mediator and clubhouse boss man, these decisions come from higher than his pay grade, I'm sure it's being discussed with the staff and FO, but he ain't sayin' s*** after that game.

Yeah people are dumb

[hanton]

Just now, Stangstag said:

Yeah people are dumb

and/or too emotional.  JS did nothing wrong.

[jaysblue]

8 hours ago, Stangstag said:

His 2025 numbers are pretty much the same as his numbers with the Phillies, with the only real change being… an extremely ballooned homerun rate.

Not sure why exactly that’s happening but that’s the reason he’s stunk

It's the role and something psychological. 

[hanton]

maybe try and change his pitches around, I haven't checked but is his FB getting hit?  or more on his breaking pitches?  none this matters though if he can't throw strikes

[Jays24]

10 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

You realize that most of us prefer to use indicators for future results right?  Stuff+ is a good indicator. Nothing is perfect.  Hoffman sucking doesn't mean the indicators are wrong.

It just sucks goats when it's one of our players who aren't following established trends.

I prefer to use results when it spans a long sample size.  Glory posted Hoffman's number since May 2025

-1.0 WAR

62.0 IP

5.66 ERA/5.58 FIP

16 HR allowed

4.6 BB/9

[Spanky__99]

They should do a study on this freakin' guy, lol... Bizzaro World!
 

2023	PHI	MLB	30	5	2	1	54	0	52.1	11.87	3.27	0.52	.226	74.2%	42.6%	6.7%	97.2	2.41	2.57	2.57	3.24	1.5
2024	PHI	MLB	31	3	3	10	68	0	66.1	12.08	2.17	0.81	.278	80.2%	37.6%	9.4%	96.9	2.17	2.93	2.52	2.80	2.0
2025	TOR	MLB	32	9	7	33	71	0	68.0	11.12	3.57	1.99	.248	79.7%	39.4%	20.0%	96.4	4.37	3.75	4.90	3.73	-0.4
2026	TOR	MLB	33	1	2	2	10	0	9.1	19.29	5.79	1.93	.550	55.6%	52.4%	33.3%	96.6	7.71	2.35	3.55	1.65	0.1

[Spanky__99]

2 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

What's Schneider doing wrong here? lol... he isn't going to throw him under the bus, nor is he going to say anything about the situation immediately following an L like that. He's just a mediator and clubhouse boss man, these decisions come from higher than his pay grade, I'm sure it's being discussed with the staff and FO, but he ain't sayin' s*** after that game.

As I was saying...
 

 

[Stangstag]

1 hour ago, Spanky__99 said:

They should do a study on this freakin' guy, lol... Bizzaro World!
 

2023	PHI	MLB	30	5	2	1	54	0	52.1	11.87	3.27	0.52	.226	74.2%	42.6%	6.7%	97.2	2.41	2.57	2.57	3.24	1.5
2024	PHI	MLB	31	3	3	10	68	0	66.1	12.08	2.17	0.81	.278	80.2%	37.6%	9.4%	96.9	2.17	2.93	2.52	2.80	2.0
2025	TOR	MLB	32	9	7	33	71	0	68.0	11.12	3.57	1.99	.248	79.7%	39.4%	20.0%	96.4	4.37	3.75	4.90	3.73	-0.4
2026	TOR	MLB	33	1	2	2	10	0	9.1	19.29	5.79	1.93	.550	55.6%	52.4%	33.3%	96.6	7.71	2.35	3.55	1.65	0.1

The jump in HR rate from 2024 to 2025 is ridiculous. You’d think it has to be a statistical anomaly, yet it has continued this year

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, Stangstag said:

The jump in HR rate from 2024 to 2025 is ridiculous. You’d think it has to be a statistical anomaly, yet it has continued this year

Meh, 2 in 9.1 IP can happen to anyone, even the BB% is inflated by 2 IBB's in this tiny sample, the BABIP will come down 200+ points and xERA and xFIP is to drool over, somethings got to give here. He's been really good under the hood, just has blown up spectacularly at the wrong times so far, obviously as the closer.

[Brownie19]

22 hours ago, Jays24 said:

I prefer to use results when it spans a long sample size.  Glory posted Hoffman's number since May 2025

-1.0 WAR

62.0 IP

5.66 ERA/5.58 FIP

16 HR allowed

4.6 BB/9

I have no problem admitting Hoffman hasn't been good over that stretch (although you should use xERA and xFIP like a big boy - his xFIP is 3.96 over that stretch).  It's been a struggle, but there are still indicators to suggest he's not completely useless.  Stuff+ is one of them, so your dig at that remains stupid.  Heaven forbid a fan of the Blue Jays tries to find a bright spot in what's been a hellish start to the season.  All you try to do is sh*t on anyone who shows optimism, or who tries to use more advanced metrics to better understand what might be happening (likely because you don't understand them very well).  That's kind of you're not well liked around here. 

That said, you suggesting you prefer large sample sizes and some rational approach to judging players might be the funniest thing you've ever said on this site.  It illustrates your complete lack of self awareness.

[Jays24]

3 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

I have no problem admitting Hoffman hasn't been good over that stretch (although you should use xERA and xFIP like a big boy - his xFIP is 3.96 over that stretch).  It's been a struggle, but there are still indicators to suggest he's not completely useless.  Stuff+ is one of them, so your dig at that remains stupid.  Heaven forbid a fan of the Blue Jays tries to find a bright spot in what's been a hellish start to the season.  All you try to do is sh*t on anyone who shows optimism, or who tries to use more advanced metrics to better understand what might be happening (likely because you don't understand them very well).  That's kind of you're not well liked around here. 

That said, you suggesting you prefer large sample sizes and some rational approach to judging players might be the funniest thing you've ever said on this site.  It illustrates your complete lack of self awareness.

I still think Hoffman is a good pitcher, just not a closer as he has no track record of being one in his career either.  Keeping him in that role without being flexible of trying him in other spots seems weird but maybe they'll start doing that going forward so lets see. 

You guys come off as fakes who compliment guys while theyre on the Jays but then express your true opinions once they leave the team.  Its what people who are paid by the franchise do, not randoms on a message board lol.  

[Brownie19]

1 hour ago, Jays24 said:

I still think Hoffman is a good pitcher, just not a closer as he has no track record of being one in his career either.  Keeping him in that role without being flexible of trying him in other spots seems weird but maybe they'll start doing that going forward so lets see. 

You guys come off as fakes who compliment guys while theyre on the Jays but then express your true opinions once they leave the team.  Its what people who are paid by the franchise do, not randoms on a message board lol.  

Care to provide at least one example of this?

And FWIW - complimenting players on your favourite team seems like a perfectly logical thing to do. 

[Jays24]

50 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Care to provide at least one example of this?

And FWIW - complimenting players on your favourite team seems like a perfectly logical thing to do. 

I also compliment players deserving of such a thing.  For example, i want Varland to get a shot at closing because hes been good.  It just comes at the expense of someone whos been horrible, and of course thats what you focus on when 99% of the fanbase feels the same lol.