Yankees (Rodon) vs Blue Jays (Gausman): 7/21/25, 7:07pm

[Omar]

27 minutes ago, Laika said:

I don't think I have ever seen a contending team with a more glaring need 

Peraza is the most pathetic at bat in the sport 

He gets absolutely roasted on the Yankee forums.  Makes for a fun read.

[G-Snarls]

33 minutes ago, Laika said:

I don't think I have ever seen a contending team with a more glaring need 

Peraza is the most pathetic at bat in the sport 

 

[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, Omar said:

Yes we are aware but the first step  is to win the East is it not?

I'd assume so, lol.

 

[max silver]

5 hours ago, Stangstag said:

Hoffman is so damn good when he’s on

I don't know man, one of the board experts boldly proclaimed that Hoffman can't be the closer in the playoffs so he probably sucks.

[max silver]

5 hours ago, gruber9292 said:

His numbers say otherwise. He obviously has great stuff but he's been way too inconsistent to be trusted to close playoff games. A fire up his ass is exactly what he needs to get locked in. 

Hoffman has a single bad outing in the last 7 weeks or so. The struggles of May appear to be completely behind him at this point.

[max silver]

5 hours ago, Jays24 said:

Great decisions Schneider... burn 2 high leverage arms in an inning that you could have just let Gausman handle.   

This is why you almost always ride your vet starter unless you got a prime Andrew Miller coming in. 

[Stangstag]

9 hours ago, max silver said:

Hoffman has a single bad outing in the last 7 weeks or so. The struggles of May appear to be completely behind him at this point.

Right. The ERA is way over-inflated due to a handful or terrible outings. His ERA is a full run higher than his xERA of 3.6

He has a better xFIP and K/9 than everyone's wishlist posterboy Clase.

Hoffman's stats are out of whack due to an extremely unsustainable HR rate

[Jays24]

10 hours ago, max silver said:

I have so many happy/positive comments but you gotta pick THAT one lol.  

Anyways Go Jays! 

[max silver]

1 hour ago, Jays24 said:

I have so many happy/positive comments but you gotta pick THAT one lol.  

Anyways Go Jays! 

That one struck me as being particularly egregious. I just couldn't believe that you'd expend that amount of time whining about bringing in one of MLB's nastiest relievers to face a division rival after the starter produced a very solid 7 inning start for the team. 

[max silver]

18 hours ago, Jays24 said:

I'd trust the guy we are paying to be our Ace and is pitching like it vs Little who we have no idea how he'll look today.  Not to mention its a long ass season so if you can save an arm then you should do it. 

Little's curveball is arguably MLB's nastiest pitch and he's one of MLB's best leverage relievers. It's downright asinine that you would be complaining about using him in a close game against a division rival. 

Gausman is probably the team's most important rotation arm, and the extra rest he received prior to this start was likely a massive contributing factor to how effective he was. He's accumulated a lot of mileage on his arm, and after he produced a stellar 7 inning start there was no reason to push him further as the team has a very solid leverage group in their bullpen and only needed to produce 6 outs. Sooner or later you'll be forced to admit that the manager, pitching coach and front office are far more knowledgeable about how to run a pitching staff and manage a game than you are.

[Laika]

Little has a 1.94 ERA this year and Judge is like a 2.000 OPS hitter vs Gausman lmao 

[Laika]

Little has a 1.94 ERA this year and Judge is like a 2.000 OPS hitter vs Gausman lmao 

[John_Havok]

2 minutes ago, Laika said:

Little has a 1.94 ERA this year and Judge is like a 2.000 OPS hitter vs Gausman lmao 

You can say that again

[John_Havok]

3 minutes ago, Laika said:

Little has a 1.94 ERA this year and Judge is like a 2.000 OPS hitter vs Gausman lmao 

Oh...you did

[Jays24]

47 minutes ago, max silver said:

Little's curveball is arguably MLB's nastiest pitch and he's one of MLB's best leverage relievers. It's downright asinine that you would be complaining about using him in a close game against a division rival. 

Gausman is probably the team's most important rotation arm, and the extra rest he received prior to this start was likely a massive contributing factor to how effective he was. He's accumulated a lot of mileage on his arm, and after he produced a stellar 7 inning start there was no reason to push him further as the team has a very solid leverage group in their bullpen and only needed to produce 6 outs. Sooner or later you'll be forced to admit that the manager, pitching coach and front office are far more knowledgeable about how to run a pitching staff and manage a game than you are.

Holy crap dude... you dont belong on message boards if people arent allowed to agree/disagree with how the team is operating.  It is the whole purpose of a game thread and you'll see TONS of people here critiquing decisions. 

Im happy as hell the Jays are playing great but up until 2 months ago, the whole world wanted Shatkins out and they were a joke around the league.  So stop pretending this is some flawless group that always pulls the right trigger.  

Also, no one argued whether Little was good enough, it was whether you can save his and Yrod's arm.  Yrod/Little/Hoffman have all pitched 2 days in a row and now we won't have any of them available today.  Gausman was only at 84 pitches and just had a great looking 3 up and 3 down inning....

[max silver]

1 hour ago, Jays24 said:

Holy crap dude... you dont belong on message boards if people arent allowed to agree/disagree with how the team is operating.  It is the whole purpose of a game thread and you'll see TONS of people here critiquing decisions. 

Im happy as hell the Jays are playing great but up until 2 months ago, the whole world wanted Shatkins out and they were a joke around the league.  So stop pretending this is some flawless group that always pulls the right trigger.  

Also, no one argued whether Little was good enough, it was whether you can save his and Yrod's arm.  Yrod/Little/Hoffman have all pitched 2 days in a row and now we won't have any of them available today.  Gausman was only at 84 pitches and just had a great looking 3 up and 3 down inning....

You are incapable of going a single game without complaining about something. It's kind of astounding that you would actually whine about a manager using his leverage relievers in a very close/meaningful game in the 8th inning. No matter how good things are going with this team you keep finding reasons to go out of your way to whine, because you are literally impossible to please. 

[John_Havok]

1 hour ago, Jays24 said:

Holy crap dude... you dont belong on message boards if people arent allowed to agree/disagree with how the team is operating.  It is the whole purpose of a game thread and you'll see TONS of people here critiquing decisions. 

Im happy as hell the Jays are playing great but up until 2 months ago, the whole world wanted Shatkins out and they were a joke around the league.  So stop pretending this is some flawless group that always pulls the right trigger.  

Also, no one argued whether Little was good enough, it was whether you can save his and Yrod's arm.  Yrod/Little/Hoffman have all pitched 2 days in a row and now we won't have any of them available today.  Gausman was only at 84 pitches and just had a great looking 3 up and 3 down inning....

Just a point of debate...

If it makes sense to save Y-Rods arm and Little's arm in a high leverage game in high leverage innings, does it also not make sense to save the SP's arm given that he has to throw far more innings for the remainder of the year and then even more again into the playoffs?

Understand I'm not saying one way or the other which is "right" ... just wondering how you arrive at the conclusion that saving pen arms is preferrable to saving the SP arm who's in his mid 30's with a TON of mileage on his arm?

[Jays24]

4 hours ago, John_Havok said:

Just a point of debate...

If it makes sense to save Y-Rods arm and Little's arm in a high leverage game in high leverage innings, does it also not make sense to save the SP's arm given that he has to throw far more innings for the remainder of the year and then even more again into the playoffs?

Understand I'm not saying one way or the other which is "right" ... just wondering how you arrive at the conclusion that saving pen arms is preferrable to saving the SP arm who's in his mid 30's with a TON of mileage on his arm?

Simply because a starter gets 5 days of rest in between appearances so seeing our Ace only at 84 pitches seems light compared to using our high leverage arms 4 times in 5 nights constantly. 

Its not clear cut like you say though so I do agree with that.  Its a message board so its cool if thats your viewpoint.  I'm not even saying im 100% right, its just how I felt at that point in time.  

[John_Havok]

13 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Simply because a starter gets 5 days of rest in between appearances so seeing our Ace only at 84 pitches seems light compared to using our high leverage arms 4 times in 5 nights constantly. 

Its not clear cut like you say though so I do agree with that.  Its a message board so its cool if thats your viewpoint.  I'm not even saying im 100% right, its just how I felt at that point in time.  

I guess.

It's kinda one of those catch 22's about SPs. Managers in general always take precautions with starter health... if its a blowout win you take them out bevausecwhy have them throw more pitches in a game thats already well in hand? If its a blowout loss... same thing except you don't want them throwing pitches when the game is already lost... unless the pen is already murdered and you need them to just soak up outs.

The SP is gonna be babied far more than any reliever simply because the starter is more important to the team innings-wise over the season the vast majority of the time. 

Then the playoffs start and it all reverses into RPs being ridden into the ground at the first sign of trouble