White Sox (Houser) vs Blue Jays (Bassitt): 6/22/25, 1:37pm

[gruber9292]

A healthy Yimi Garcia is a better closer option imo. 

[Masterbather]

Well it starts with Little who, nasty as he can be, is walking way too many guys lately. Leadoff walks in a 1 run game are dangerous. I never felt good about him coming into the game with a one run lead.

Then Hoffman just made a complete mess of things. He's been way too inconsistent since the first month. 

[Jays24]

Losing 2 outta 3 to the f***ing white Sox shows how unserious you are.  

[Abomination]

2 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Hoffman f***ing sucks.  This is what you get when you take out your starter after 80 pitches

The more pitching changes you make, the more likely you run into someone who doesn't have their good stuff (not to mention gassing the pen).  I really hate the approach.

[Jays24]

Just now, Abomination said:

The more pitching changes you make, the more likely you run into someone who doesn't have their good stuff (not to mention gassing the pen).  I really hate the approach.

I've been against it since this management group has taken over.  Its cost us several regular season games and even several playoff games...

[Jaysman]

1 minute ago, Abomination said:

The more pitching changes you make, the more likely you run into someone who doesn't have their good stuff (not to mention gassing the pen).  I really hate the approach.

It’s likely this would end up with Hoffman in the 9th either way but if Bassett comes out for the 7th no one questions it. There’s just a few too many times where it feels changes are being made for the sake of it and we run into trouble. That said, we have 2runs vs a terrible White Sox team.

[gruber9292]

Would had it not make sense to PH Giminez with Schneider vs the LHP knowing he can't come out of the game yet? We need base runners at this point with Springer looming to PH. Can't worry about the defensive downgrade. Schneider is a horrible manager, my God. 

[Jays24]

3 minutes ago, Jaysman said:

It’s likely this would end up with Hoffman in the 9th either way but if Bassett comes out for the 7th no one questions it. There’s just a few too many times where it feels changes are being made for the sake of it and we run into trouble. That said, we have 2runs vs a terrible White Sox team.

This is where Yair needs to take Hoffman's spot but this management group lacks testicles.  You always roll with your best...

[BB17]

7 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

This is where Yair needs to take Hoffman's spot but this management group lacks testicles.  You always roll with your best...

I’d rather have Hoffman come in with a clean inning then be used as a pitcher with guys on base etc. He’s fine as a closer but he just needs to become more consistent. Far too often his command is off and he completely implodes which not only blows the save but completely loses them the game.

[CheeseHead]

This is my first post and I just came on to say that hopeless, hapless Hoffman does my head in!

[BB17]

Bullpen needs to be better. Little, Hoffaman and Sandlin all just completely lose their command mid inning. 
 

As good as the pen has been as a whole it still doesn’t inspire much confidence if they were in the postseason.

[Jaysman]

Just now, BB17 said:

I’d rather have Hoffman come in with a clean inning then be used as a pitcher with guys on base etc. He’s fine as a closer but he just needs to become more consistent. Far too often his command is off and he completely implodes which not only blows the save but completely loses them the game.

I agree, this snowballed from taking Bassett out, using YRod for 7th rather than 8th, Little makes a mess and we bring in Hoffman with runners on. It does say something though when your closer isn’t the guy you trust to get that last out of an inning.

[Jays24]

2 minutes ago, BB17 said:

I’d rather have Hoffman come in with a clean inning then be used as a pitcher with guys on base etc. He’s fine as a closer but he just needs to become more consistent. Far too often his command is off and he completely implodes which not only blows the save but completely loses them the game.

You just outlined exactly why hes not fine as a closer.  Jays should have no closer and just go based on best matchups at the time.  Hoffman could use some low leverage innings to build himself back up.  

[Jaysman]

2 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

You just outlined exactly why hes not fine as a closer.  Jays should have no closer and just go based on best matchups at the time.  Hoffman could use some low leverage innings to build himself back up.  

I feel like a clean inning does suit Hoffman better but yeah, this probably proves he ain’t the closer. YRod might be a closer in waiting, he’s shown some of that stuff and mentality but not sure if it’s a certainty every time 

[Jays24]

2 minutes ago, Jaysman said:

I feel like a clean inning does suit Hoffman better but yeah, this probably proves he ain’t the closer. YRod might be a closer in waiting, he’s shown some of that stuff and mentality but not sure if it’s a certainty every time 

Pretty sure majority of Hoffman's blowups this year started with a clean inning. 

Point is that you just roll with your best and thats Yrod right now... it could be Yimi later and maybe even Hoffman another time. Being stuck on one of your worst relievers at the moment just because is a pathetic way to go about things in 2025. 

[gruber9292]

This is hard to stomach, losing two out of three at home to the White Sox. 

[Stangstag]

27 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Losing 2 outta 3 to the f***ing white Sox shows how unserious you are.  

The Yankees got swept by the Angels… just sayin. This is baseball 

[gruber9292]

1 minute ago, Jays24 said:

Point is that you just roll with your best and thats Yrod right now... it could be Yimi later and maybe even Hoffman another time. 

Being stuck on one of your worst relievers at the moment just because is a pathetic way to go about things in 2025. 

I agree but this is the Shatkins way. There's no way they'll show weakness on a premier signing or trade, like they refuse to bat Giminez eighth or ninth given the money he'll be making. 

[Jaysman]

2 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

Pretty sure majority of Hoffman's blowups this year started with a clean inning. 

Point is that you just roll with your best and thats Yrod right now... it could be Yimi later and maybe even Hoffman another time. Being stuck on one of your worst relievers at the moment just because is a pathetic way to go about things in 2025. 

You’re right, I guess I meant Hoffman can struggle without bringing him in with multiple runners on. Also YRod might now be the guy after today, don't really have an issue with that - I’ll take his aggressive approach throwing 98.

[BB17]

3 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

The Yankees got swept by the Angels… just sayin. This is baseball 

This whole season has been like this lol. A few terrible losses in a row followed by some unlikely wins just after you wrote them off. Then you believe in the team and they disappoint for a few games.

Team is a mid 80s win team as constructed and will continue to be like this all season unless they can shore up the pitching.

[Stangstag]

32 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

What's more gross is seeing the same guy kept in the closer role when hes been outpitched by several guys...

Its clear you didnt watch any games in April, because he was absolutely elite and  the best reliever in baseball and all you do is complain he sucks.

That being said, its been long enough now where he hasn’t looked good at all and he’s outlived the leash he earned from April. He should be bumped down the pecking order 

[Masterbather]

4 minutes ago, Stangstag said:

The Yankees got swept by the Angels… just sayin. This is baseball 

Yankees did not get swept by the Angels.

But it's true, that's baseball, that's why you don't act like beating teams or especially sweeping teams are some sort of foregone conclusion. We are still very much a flawed team, like most teams around us.

[Stangstag]

Just now, BB17 said:

This whole season has been like this lol. A few terrible losses in a row followed by some unlikely wins just after you wrote them off. Then you believe in the team and they disappoint for a few games.

Team is a mid 80s win team as constructed and will continue to be like this all season unless they can shore up the pitching.

Right, this is a borderline wildcard team unless they make significant improvements at the deadline 

[Jaysman]

4 minutes ago, gruber9292 said:

This is hard to stomach, losing two out of three at home to the White Sox. 

Really is, gut punch today. Hoffman and bullpen were poor and obviously lost us the game but on the other side of the ball, game 1 and 3 are piss poor offensively. Feel like I saw too many 1st and 2nd pitch outs one after the other for 5 innings. It’s a missed opportunity.

[glory]

Why was Bassitt removed, other than Schneider’s drug addict-like obsession with pitching changes? 

[Brownie19]

30 minutes ago, Jays24 said:

This is where Yair needs to take Hoffman's spot but this management group lacks testicles.  You always roll with your best...

Ever consider you might not know as much as management?  Like even for a couple of seconds?

[Masterbather]

3 minutes ago, Jaysman said:

Really is, gut punch today. Hoffman and bullpen were poor and obviously lost us the game but on the other side of the ball, game 1 and 3 are piss poor offensively. Feel like I saw too many 1st and 2nd pitch outs one after the other for 5 innings. It’s a missed opportunity.

Yes the lack of offensive production cannot be lost in the conversation. Just not good enough.

[Jaysman]

5 minutes ago, glory said:

Why was Bassitt removed, other than Schneider’s drug addict-like obsession with pitching changes? 

Answered your own question I’d say…

[Jays24]

13 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Ever consider you might not know as much as management?  Like even for a couple of seconds?

Wow... maybe none of should have any thoughts and just conclude this management does everything right considering all the banners we have hanging at the Rogers Center...

[Fighting_Yeti]

Can't understand why they didn't leave Yariel in for another inning.  He had a 9 pitch inning and was going to face the bottom of the lineup.  🤷‍♂️