Gómez: Toronto Blue Jays Have Offers Out to Pete Alonso, Alex Bregman

[jaysblue]

1 hour ago, Stangstag said:

The perception that this offseason is just ok is 100% due to coming 2nd for Soto and Sasaki.

We brought in Gimenez, Santander, Hoffman, and Scherzer. That’s already a pretty great offseason, and with 1 more addition (which is likely) its an excellent one.

I agree, it has been a great offseason to date, even if the Jays don't do anything else. Glad ownership opened up the pocketbooks or else, there isn't much Atkins could do. 

Sure with one more big addition like Alonso or Bregman and/or locking up Vladdy, would consider that an "epic" offseason. Kudos to ownership! 

 

[Terminator]

This makes sense. With the Jays in on both, Boras isn’t going to let one of Bregman or Alonso sign with us until he’s got the deal ready for the other. So either way they should both sign pretty close together no matter where they end up.

[Spanky99]

18 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

B+ or A- who cares, not much of a difference lol. 

I don't think there is anything "epic" about being given a huge payroll and signing FA's where Toronto likely is the only team competing for their services (e.g. Hoffman, Santander & Mad Max). I give kudos to ownership more than Atkins for these recent moves. 

As for Gimenez, sure nice trade to pull off, but don't make it seem like Atkins stole him away from Cleveland lol. Gimenez came with a $19.37M AAV who is locked up until 2029. There is a reason why Cleveland wanted to let him go and clear his salary. Lucky the Jays had the payroll, or else Atkins can't make that move. 

Overall, it has been a solid offseason even if the Jays do nothing going forward. Definitely more pleased with it in comparison to last offseason. 

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[L54]

1 hour ago, Vladdywagon said:

Why do you keep doing this to posters?  Your self righteous act is getting old.  People can like the Blue Jays but not like Atkins.  The only reason the Jays will be competing this year is because ownership is willing to spend whatever it takes.  That's great news, but in my opinion other GMs would give Rogers more bang for their buck.  Go ahead and disagree, that's fine.

But stop ridiculing people for not agreeing with you.

These guys will go to the greatest depths known to man to shield Atkins from  criticism 

I don’t find signing players with limited suitors or taking on 100M commitments to be particularly impressive 

Majority of the credit goes to Rogers 

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How many thumbs down will I get? I bet at least three 

[Terminator]

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[max silver]

13 minutes ago, L54 said:

These guys will go to the greatest depths known to man to shield Atkins from  criticism 

I don’t find signing players with limited suitors or taking on 100M commitments to be particularly impressive 

Majority of the credit goes to Rogers 

And conversely you'll go to extreme lengths to avoid giving even a shred of credit to the front office when it's deserved. It's obvious that you made up your mind a long time ago that nothing the front office accomplished could ever be good enough for you, and the tact of literally giving 100% of the credit to ownership is just more of this. This was most apparent when you went well put of your way to s*** all over the Santander signing and not allowing posters to simply be happy about a much needed infusion of thump. That's a massive wet blanket move that is nothing more than you refusing to give credit where credit is due for reasons that I can't really understand. The current front office hasn't been perfect by any means, but it's nothing more than sour grapes to refuse to acknowledge when they make effective moves.

I think that ownership deserves credit for opening the pocketbook, and the front office deserves credit for infusing a ton of talent into the roster.  The off-season wouldn't be effective without both sides concurrently contributing in their respective areas.

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12 minutes ago, L54 said:

How many thumbs down will I get? I bet at least three 

The same people every time.  Spanky, Brownie, Max and EMS. 

It's getting old.

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3 minutes ago, max silver said:

And conversely you'll go to extreme lengths to avoid giving even a shred of credit to the front office when it's deserved. It's obvious that you made up your mind a long time ago that nothing the front office accomplished could ever be good enough for you, and the tact of literally giving 100% of the credit to ownership is just more of this. This was most apparent when you went well put of your way to s*** all over the Santander singing and not allowing posters to simply be happy about an effective singing. That's a massive wet blanket move that is nothing more than you refusing to give credit where credit is due.

I think that ownership deserves credit for opening the pocketbook, and the front office deserves credit for infusing a ton of talent into the roster.  The off-season wouldn't be effective without both sides concurrently contributing in their respective areas.

Sorry, but no, IMO this is all on ownership. They have been forced to jack the payroll because of FO incompetence 

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99% of Jays fans can't stand Ross and Mark.

The 1% are EMS, Spanky, Max and Brownie 

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9 minutes ago, max silver said:

And conversely you'll go to extreme lengths to avoid giving even a shred of credit to the front office when it's deserved. It's obvious that you made up your mind a long time ago that nothing the front office accomplished could ever be good enough for you, and the tact of literally giving 100% of the credit to ownership is just more of this. This was most apparent when you went well put of your way to s*** all over the Santander signing and not allowing posters to simply be happy about a much needed infusion of thump. That's a massive wet blanket move that is nothing more than you refusing to give credit where credit is due for reasons that I can't really understand. The current front office hasn't been perfect by any means, but it's nothing more than sour grapes to refuse to acknowledge when they make effective moves.

I think that ownership deserves credit for opening the pocketbook, and the front office deserves credit for infusing a ton of talent into the roster.  The off-season wouldn't be effective without both sides concurrently contributing in their respective areas.

Mhmm 

[max silver]

8 minutes ago, Vladdywagon said:

Sorry, but no, IMO this is all on ownership. They have been forced to jack the payroll because of FO incompetence 

Are you going to make the same claims about the Mets, Yankees, Phillies and Dodgers, all who spend more than the Blue Jays? The Blue Jays market size is comparable to those clubs, and aside from the Dodgers you can't exactly deny that those teams have largely been assembled by their ownership groups allowing their front offices to spend maximum money.

[Spanky99]

51 minutes ago, Terminator said:

This makes sense. With the Jays in on both, Boras isn’t going to let one of Bregman or Alonso sign with us until he’s got the deal ready for the other. So either way they should both sign pretty close together no matter where they end up.

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4 minutes ago, max silver said:

Are you going to make the same claims about the Mets, Yankees, Phillies and Dodgers, all who spend more than the Blue Jays? The Blue Jays market size is comparable to those clubs, and aside from the Dodgers you can't exactly deny that those teams have largely been assembled by their ownership groups allowing their front offices to spend maximum money.

Are you claiming that Ross and Mark are as good or better than those teams front offices?

 

Because that's just ridiculous 

[max silver]

1 hour ago, jaysblue said:

B+ or A- who cares, not much of a difference lol. 

I don't think there is anything "epic" about being given a huge payroll and signing FA's where Toronto likely is the only team competing for their services (e.g. Hoffman, Santander & Mad Max). I give kudos to ownership more than Atkins for these recent moves. 

As for Gimenez, sure nice trade to pull off, but don't make it seem like Atkins stole him away from Cleveland lol. Gimenez came with a $19.37M AAV who is locked up until 2029. There is a reason why Cleveland wanted to let him go and clear his salary. Lucky the Jays had the payroll, or else Atkins can't make that move. 

Overall, it has been a solid offseason even if the Jays do nothing going forward. Definitely more pleased with it in comparison to last offseason. 

Come on man, don't intentionally be obtuse. Both of Atlanta and Baltimore still wanted to sign Hoffman as a reliever, just at a reduced rate compared to if he were signed as a starter. It was recently reported that the Royals were serious suitors for Santander but the Blue Jays were too far along for him to really consider their offer. Scherzer held a showcase for teams with plenty of teams in attendance to watch him throw. It's pretty disingenuous to suggest nobody else was interested based on how desperate teams tend to be for innings out of their rotation. He received a nearly identical deal to comparable aging rotation arms such as Verlander, Cobb and Morton.

An effective offseason is going to consist of a combination of trades and free agent signings. The Blue Jays have accomplished plenty of both. Blue Jays ownership could not acquire players on their own without an effective front office to make it happen.

[max silver]

2 minutes ago, Vladdywagon said:

Are you claiming that Ross and Mark are as good or better than those teams front offices?

 

Because that's just ridiculous 

The Blue Jays have had a similar amount of success as the Yankees and Mets over the last half decade, albeit without any post season success. Both of those teams have had payrolls magnitudes above what the Blue Jays enjoyed until this offseason. The Phillies have had a ton of post season success based on largely building their team through free agency. I would place the Blue Jays front office a tier below. You are acting like a literal single poor season negates all of what the current front office has accomplished.

The Dodgers are the gold standard in MLB and heads and shoulders above everyone else. 

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1 minute ago, Spanky99 said:

Hahahaha... pusso, when's the next meltdown coming, bro?

Reported.  And aren't you the meltdown king?

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18 minutes ago, L54 said:

Mhmm 

I guess I won this debate since you literally have nothing to offer in retort.

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Just now, max silver said:

The Blue Jays have had a similar amount of success as the Yankees and Mets over the last half decade, albeit without any post season success. Both of those teams have had payrolls magnitudes above what the Blue Jays enjoyed until this offseason. The Phillies have had a ton of post season success based on largely building their team through free agency. I would place the Blue Jays front office a tier below. You are acting like a literal single poor season negates all of what the current front office has accomplished.

The Dodgers are the gold standard in MLB and heads and shoulders above everyone else. 

You 4 are the 1% deal with it.

There's way more people who disagree with you.

It's great that Rogers jacked payroll because it means we can compete.  They had no choice because Shatkins couldn't assemble an adequate team otherwise.

Drafting and development dudes.

 

[Spanky99]

4 minutes ago, Vladdywagon said:

Reported.  And aren't you the meltdown king?

Easy @deanmike, easy! 😅
Such a 🦤.

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8 minutes ago, Spanky99 said:

Easy @deanmike, easy! 😅
Such a 🦤.

You bring so much to the table.  All you do is try and stir up trouble.  You should be banned.

[Jimcanuck]

I just read 27 posts of arguing, but it's unclear to me what the argument is about.  Is it an argument for arguments sake?

[L54]

12 minutes ago, max silver said:

I guess I won this debate since you literally have nothing to offer in retort.

I didn’t read it 

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9 minutes ago, Jimcanuck said:

I just read 27 posts of arguing, but it's unclear to me what the argument is about.  Is it an argument for arguments sake?

Apparently?

I'm not engaging in any name calling.

I'm just defending myself from the same 4 posters who don't like me having a differing viewpoint than them even though the vast, vast majority of Jays fans agree with me. 

Every single time I see a poll posted by a major media site not named sportsnet more than 90% of the fanbase wants Shatkins gone, so I'm not out to lunch on this.

I'm just glad that ownership has saved the offseason for us.

Sorry the thread has gone the way it has the past 27 or whatever posts.

[Jays24]

1 hour ago, Terminator said:

This makes sense. With the Jays in on both, Boras isn’t going to let one of Bregman or Alonso sign with us until he’s got the deal ready for the other. So either way they should both sign pretty close together no matter where they end up.

If this is true then the Jays could easily get shut out on both sides if their old teams come back to the table.  Hope the Jays are able to put more pressure on Boras so we can get at least 1 guy. 

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More former Mets trying to get him to come ?

 

 

 

[Spanky99]

2 hours ago, L54 said:

How many thumbs down will I get? I bet at least three 

Hahahaha... Bird. 😅

[gruber9292]

4 hours ago, max silver said:

Do you even like the Blue Jays? Even in the midst of an epic offseason you are still grousing and acting like a giant turd. I get the feeling you are incapable of being happy about the team no matter what they do.

You're right. Love the team, management is on a whole other level of hate. 

[max silver]

1 hour ago, Vladdywagon said:

Apparently?

I'm not engaging in any name calling.

I'm just defending myself from the same 4 posters who don't like me having a differing viewpoint than them even though the vast, vast majority of Jays fans agree with me. 

Every single time I see a poll posted by a major media site not named sportsnet more than 90% of the fanbase wants Shatkins gone, so I'm not out to lunch on this.

I'm just glad that ownership has saved the offseason for us.

Sorry the thread has gone the way it has the past 27 or whatever posts.

Basically everyone here is willing to see a new front office group brought in. The GM in particular had basically no support after the way last season unfolded. Having said that I think that Atkins still deserves credit for putting together a successful off-season so far. I'm grading his off-season based on whether he has successfully utilized the assets given to him. 

That's cool that you think Ed Rogers negotiated the free agent deals entirely in his own and put together a bunch of trades as well. I wasn't aware that he was an MLB general manager now. 

[Pinkfloid]

Here I am, excited that there must be some breaking news to have a single thread explode over the past few hours. Just to see it's a bunch of posters fighting for whatever stupid personal reasons.

 

Let's keep the lame bickering and personal attacks out of these threads please.