General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2025)

[Laika]

1 hour ago, Spanky__99 said:

Halfway point we're 7 games above .500 with the 2nd WC spot, after an abysmal April, not too shabby. Tighten up the pitching and we'll be fine. 

Don't forget about Lauer, Laika. 😉

Ross has been cooking for two years 

[Spanky__99]

 

[Orgfiller]

1 hour ago, Spanky__99 said:

 

Unlike Roden, Wagner has been rather pedestrian at AAA. Can't see him playing much except maybe spelling Vladdy at 1B while his forearm injury heals, and even then the team has preferred putting Ernie out there given how excellent he's looked this season.

[Spanky__99]

2 minutes ago, Orgfiller said:

Unlike Roden, Wagner has been rather pedestrian at AAA. Can't see him playing much except maybe spelling Vladdy at 1B while his forearm injury heals, and even then the team has preferred putting Ernie out there given how excellent he's looked this season.

Yeah, the Roden demotion essentially means they want him to get more AB's, Wagner's decent depth in the dirt.

[jaysthebest]

It's too bad this team doesn't have a decent starting pitcher outside of Berrios maybe.

[Masterbather]

19 minutes ago, jaysthebest said:

It's too bad this team doesn't have a decent starting pitcher outside of Berrios maybe.

Well they're kind of all the same. Each of them can give you a dominant start and each of them can s*** the bed, most of the time they're decent enough. Like I've said before, we have a bunch of number threes on this team. A rotation full of number 3's can get you to the postseason. It's when you get to the postseason that it might get dicey.

[Spanky__99]

19 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

Well they're kind of all the same. Each of them can give you a dominant start and each of them can s*** the bed, most of the time they're decent enough. Like I've said before, we have a bunch of number threes on this team. A rotation full of number 3's can get you to the postseason. It's when you get to the postseason that it might get dicey.

Jays have 3 starters in the top 50? I agree about a top of the rotation guy though. You're painting a wrong picture.

 

[jaysblue]

28 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

Well they're kind of all the same. Each of them can give you a dominant start and each of them can s*** the bed, most of the time they're decent enough. Like I've said before, we have a bunch of number threes on this team. A rotation full of number 3's can get you to the postseason. It's when you get to the postseason that it might get dicey.

Bassitt has also been way better at home (2.60 ERA) vs. on the road (6.38 ERA). Huge contrast. 

Berrios, Gausman and Bassitt are pretty much a bunch of No. 3 starters at this point. Nothing wrong with that, though the rotation could use a No. 1 starter. 

[Spanky__99]

30 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Bassitt has also been way better at home (2.60 ERA) vs. on the road (6.38 ERA). Huge contrast. 

Berrios, Gausman and Bassitt are pretty much a bunch of No. 3 starters at this point. Nothing wrong with that, though the rotation could use a No. 1 starter. 

Who are all these starters above them guys? I'll agree with #2's but...

 

[jaysblue]

9 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Who are all these starters above them guys? I'll agree with #2's but...

 

You can make the case Berrios and Gausman are borderline #2's, but I consider them more to be mid-rotation arms right now and moving forward at this stage in their careers. Berrios has outperformed his FIP and low K rates, Gausman has been like Jekyll and Hyde this season and Bassitt has huge home/road splits. 

When I think of a #2, I think of someone like AJ Burnett behind Roy Halladay. 

Not bashing what Berrios, Gausman and Bassitt have done this season. They've all been rock solid, providing innings and all have pitched well. Nothing wrong with them in the rotation at all. If the Jays could add a top of the rotation arm at the deadline or in the offseason, don't mind having Berrios, Gausman and Bassitt following them. Having a #1 with a bunch of #3's filling out the rotation is fine.

Also, hope Manoah comes back strong and maybe Yesavage makes his MLB debut later on in August/September as well.

 

[John_Havok]

4 hours ago, jaysblue said:

You can make the case Berrios and Gausman are borderline #2's, but I consider them more to be mid-rotation arms right now and moving forward at this stage in their careers. Berrios has outperformed his FIP and low K rates, Gausman has been like Jekyll and Hyde this season and Bassitt has huge home/road splits. 

When I think of a #2, I think of someone like AJ Burnett behind Roy Halladay. 

Not bashing what Berrios, Gausman and Bassitt have done this season. They've all been rock solid, providing innings and all have pitched well. Nothing wrong with them in the rotation at all. If the Jays could add a top of the rotation arm at the deadline or in the offseason, don't mind having Berrios, Gausman and Bassitt following them. Having a #1 with a bunch of #3's filling out the rotation is fine.

Also, hope Manoah comes back strong and maybe Yesavage makes his MLB debut later on in August/September as well.

 

Yesavage pitched 94 innings in college last year and is at 62 so far this season. I guess if you add on teh typical 30-ish innings teams usually increase workloads by per season hed be looking at a cap this season at around 120, so basically about halfway there already. 

I could definitely see a debut this season but i think it would be out of the pen, maybe getting 2-3 innings at time to cap off the innings limit after NH or Buffalo's season is over depending on where he is at the time.

Injuries, of course, could change that.

 

[Ryu In My House]

I keep circling back to Bo and his looming free agency. He’s clearly playing well, and the Jays are in the thick of the playoff race—so I get why trading him feels off-limits. But in a video game world, I’m flipping him at the deadline to bolster the farm and maybe snag a young, controllable starter.

I mean, look at what Kikuchi and García fetched last deadline—and yeah, pitchers are a different market, but still. That kind of return has to make you think.

After Vladdy signed his extension, I honestly thought Bo’s deal might follow soon after. Now I’m not so sure. If this front office just rides it out and lets him walk for a compensation pick, that feels like the worst of all options.

What do you guys think—do they extend, trade, or just let him walk?

[Laika]

Kirk is at 3.0 fWAR now. The #1 player in baseball by defensive value. 

Clement is the #6 player in baseball by defensive value and is way up at 2.7 fWAR. 

Clement has a positive OAA at 3B, 2B, SS, and 1B this year. 

Vlad & Bo are second tier players. This is the year of Ernie & Kirk. 

[jaysblue]

On 6/29/2025 at 1:44 PM, Ryu In My House said:

I keep circling back to Bo and his looming free agency. He’s clearly playing well, and the Jays are in the thick of the playoff race—so I get why trading him feels off-limits. But in a video game world, I’m flipping him at the deadline to bolster the farm and maybe snag a young, controllable starter.

I mean, look at what Kikuchi and García fetched last deadline—and yeah, pitchers are a different market, but still. That kind of return has to make you think.

After Vladdy signed his extension, I honestly thought Bo’s deal might follow soon after. Now I’m not so sure. If this front office just rides it out and lets him walk for a compensation pick, that feels like the worst of all options.

What do you guys think—do they extend, trade, or just let him walk?

Depends on what you can get for Bo and if the Jays FO knows there is no chance at re-signing him to an extension.

I would be fine with an infield with Clement at SS and Barger at 3B down the stretch. Though Gimenez is pretty much your guy at second base. As well, Jays would need to add another bat elsewhere especially if they removed Bo from their lineup. 

Wonder if there could be a good challenge trade out there where the Jays swap Bo for let's say a top arm who also is on an expiring contract or one year left. 

 

[jaysblue]

Brewers could use an upgrade offensively at short and have enough pitching to make a trade. 

Likely would have to add more with Bo to get Peralta, but Woodruff is expected back soon and could probably be had in a 1:1 swap. If Woodruff is healthy and in elite form, would you trade two months of Bo for two months of Woodruff? I would. 

[mphenhef]

8 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Brewers could use an upgrade offensively at short and have enough pitching to make a trade. 

Likely would have to add more with Bo to get Peralta, but Woodruff is expected back soon and could probably be had in a 1:1 swap. If Woodruff is healthy and in elite form, would you trade two months of Bo for two months of Woodruff? I would. 

That's a big IF though.

[Spanky__99]

Jays aren't trading Bo. It'd have to be a clear win with a position player or SP with control coming back. So in other words, not happening. 😜

[Brownie19]

"Anthony Santander suffered a left shoulder subluxation in May, the Blue Jays revealed Monday.

 

The Jays had been calling the injury shoulder inflammation, though to be fair, that was the main issue that caused him to go on the IL weeks after he was hurt crashing into a wall in a game against the Angels. Santander is nearly ready to resume swinging now, potentially putting him in line to return right after the All-Star break."

[Spanky__99]

12 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

"Anthony Santander suffered a left shoulder subluxation in May, the Blue Jays revealed Monday.

 

The Jays had been calling the injury shoulder inflammation, though to be fair, that was the main issue that caused him to go on the IL weeks after he was hurt crashing into a wall in a game against the Angels. Santander is nearly ready to resume swinging now, potentially putting him in line to return right after the All-Star break."

Heh... oops!

[Spanky__99]

I was looking for some recent news on Kasevich but to no avail... no update to why he isn't playing again, I assume he had a setback with his back, anyhow, one of the pop up questions was, do you approve of this ownership and I tap on the thumbs up, to my surprise... some dingleberry voted down on our ownership? Is this person huffing model glue or something, wasn't around for Interbrew, Jesus Christ. That article yesterday by Mac gave me PTSD from those days. 

[max silver]

1 hour ago, Brownie19 said:

"Anthony Santander suffered a left shoulder subluxation in May, the Blue Jays revealed Monday.

 

The Jays had been calling the injury shoulder inflammation, though to be fair, that was the main issue that caused him to go on the IL weeks after he was hurt crashing into a wall in a game against the Angels. Santander is nearly ready to resume swinging now, potentially putting him in line to return right after the All-Star break."

That's surprising they allowed Santander to try to play through the issue. It was apparent he was a shadow of his usual self and wasn't even able to swing the bat with his usual intensity. He offers no defensive value and isn't a great contact hitter so if he isn't able to club fingers he doesn't have much to offer. 

[Spanky__99]

7 minutes ago, max silver said:

That's surprising they allowed Santander to try to play through the issue. It was apparent he was a shadow of his usual self and wasn't even able to swing the bat with his usual intensity. He offers no defensive value and isn't a great contact hitter so if he isn't able to club fingers he doesn't have much to offer. 

They dropped the ball, should've had him on the IL long before that.

[jaysblue]

3 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

Jays aren't trading Bo. It'd have to be a clear win with a position player or SP with control coming back. So in other words, not happening. 😜

Bo has no control either lol, so why would another team trade a SP with control for 2 months of Bo. 

I was just throwing an idea out there mentioning the Brewers as really the only logical fit, since they're contending, need an upgrade at SS and have some elite SP options who they can possibly move given that Freddy Peralta only has 1.5 years left and Woodruff can possibly become a FA after 2025 (unless he accepts a mutual option) and are likely to resign either of them, especially Peralta. 

[jaysblue]

10 minutes ago, max silver said:

That's surprising they allowed Santander to try to play through the issue. It was apparent he was a shadow of his usual self and wasn't even able to swing the bat with his usual intensity. He offers no defensive value and isn't a great contact hitter so if he isn't able to club fingers he doesn't have much to offer. 

That's unfortunate. Might have to just write-off Santander for this season and hope he comes back healthy and smashing in 2026. 

If that's the case, would be looking for another bat whether it's a corner OF or DH with some pop at the trade deadline. 

[Spanky__99]

16 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Bo has no control either lol, so why would another team trade a SP with control for 2 months of Bo. 

I was just throwing an idea out there mentioning the Brewers as really the only logical fit, since they're contending, need an upgrade at SS and have some elite SP options who they can possibly move given that Freddy Peralta only has 1.5 years left and Woodruff can possibly become a FA after 2025 (unless he accepts a mutual option) and are likely to resign either of them, especially Peralta. 

Did I quote you? I'm pretty f*cking sure I didn't? 

 "So in other words, not happening. 😜" Reading is hard.

[jaysblue]

Yeah Bo is unlikely to be traded given the Jays being in contention lol, though interesting to think of some possible trade ideas. 

The emergence of Ernie Clement and Addison Barger has definitely changed things regarding the Jays infield.

[Brownie19]

27 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

That's unfortunate. Might have to just write-off Santander for this season and hope he comes back healthy and smashing in 2026. 

The report literally said he may be ready to return right after the all-star break...why would you just write-off the season?  There's got to be some hope he can return and be productive down the stretch.

[Spanky__99]

1 minute ago, Brownie19 said:

The report literally said he may be ready to return right after the all-star break...why would you just write-off the season?  There's got to be some hope he can return and be productive down the stretch.

No doubt, mate.

[Spanky__99]

lmfao!!! 

[John_Havok]

2 hours ago, Spanky__99 said:

lmfao!!! 

Everytime someone views this video, a kitten dies. 

That was some cringey s*** right there.