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[max silver]

46 minutes ago, Laika said:

Two but if you succeed you don't lose the challenge. And you get additional challenges in extra innings. 

I think it makes sense. Can't have sloppy challengers just slowing down the game. Make it so that people only challenge with confidence. 

I don't like the low limit on challenges given how many calls a bad umpire can potentially screw up in a game. I'd hand out something like 1-2 challenges per inning personally as I don't believe a challenge adds more than a few seconds to a plate appearance.

[Laika]

6 minutes ago, max silver said:

I think framing will still be very important given the limited number of challenges. I don't think the borderline calls will be challenged that often vs the more egregious umpiring mistakes and as such the good framers will continue to steal strikes, just at a bit of a reduced rate. One thought I had was that a bad framer can lead to potential strikes actually being called balls instead, so perhaps this subset of catchers could use the challenge system to mitigate the negative effects of their sloppy receiving.

I think this is true

Value of good framers is reduced but it might not be by a significant degree

A lot of framing isn't even about stealing strikes. It's about getting the right calls on pitches that clip the zone, or weird pitches that normally fool umps like high curveballs and cross ups and pitches that miss on the other side of the plate. 

ALSO the catchers can challenge so catchers with a good sense of the zone get a huge increase to value!!!! 

[Laika]

3 minutes ago, max silver said:

I don't like the low limit on challenges given how many calls a bad umpire can potentially screw up in a game. I'd hand out something like 1-2 challenges per inning personally as I don't believe a challenge adds more than a few seconds to a plate appearance.

They can always adjust the system, give more challenges in future years

[Spanky__99]

18 minutes ago, max silver said:

I think framing will still be very important given the limited number of challenges. I don't think the borderline calls will be challenged that often vs the more egregious umpiring mistakes and as such the good framers will continue to steal strikes, just at a bit of a reduced rate. One thought I had was that a bad framer can lead to potential strikes actually being called balls instead, so perhaps this subset of catchers could use the challenge system to mitigate the negative effects of their sloppy receiving.

Agreed, it worked great in ST, I approve.

[Spanky__99]

15 minutes ago, Laika said:

ALSO the catchers can challenge so catchers with a good sense of the zone get a huge increase to value!!!! 

This 👆 Kirk was great, I think he fluffed just one call in ST.

[Spanky__99]

 

[Masterbather]

2 hours ago, max silver said:

I think framing will still be very important given the limited number of challenges. I don't think the borderline calls will be challenged that often vs the more egregious umpiring mistakes and as such the good framers will continue to steal strikes, just at a bit of a reduced rate. One thought I had was that a bad framer can lead to potential strikes actually being called balls instead, so perhaps this subset of catchers could use the challenge system to mitigate the negative effects of their sloppy receiving.

It depends how quickly replay rooms can get a look at it. How much time do you get? Because an efficient replay room can learn operate to immediately check the replay and relay a signal within 5 or so seconds.

Unless you make it so that it's illegal to get help from any outside sources including no signals from your dugout.

[G-Snarls]

1 hour ago, Spanky__99 said:

 

WTF

How can they have Seattle so high and Milwaukee so low, just to pick a few 

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[Masterbather]

5 minutes ago, G-Snarls said:

WTF

How can they have Seattle so high and Milwaukee so low, just to pick a few 

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Seattle may be a little bit high, but notice how it's American League teams with the best chance at a bye that are near to the top mostly except the Dodgers of course.

The NL is more stacked so the odds of making it out of the NL for any one team is lower.

I think overall quality of competition and where the seedings may land is playing a big role.

[Spanky__99]

25 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

It depends how quickly replay rooms can get a look at it. How much time do you get? Because an efficient replay room can learn operate to immediately check the replay and relay a signal within 5 or so seconds.

Unless you make it so that it's illegal to get help from any outside sources including no signals from your dugout.

Did you not watch any ST games, it's immediate? They don't have 5 seconds.

[Masterbather]

6 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

Did you not watch any ST games, it's immediate? They don't have 5 seconds.

Yeah but that's in games that don't mean anything, in games that mean something teams will work this to a science if they are given a chance. What do they consider "immediate"? By the time the pitcher gets the ball back?

[max silver]

38 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

It depends how quickly replay rooms can get a look at it. How much time do you get? Because an efficient replay room can learn operate to immediately check the replay and relay a signal within 5 or so seconds.

Unless you make it so that it's illegal to get help from any outside sources including no signals from your dugout.

It's been announced that players aren't allowed to refer to the dugout for which pitches to challenge.

[Spanky__99]

12 minutes ago, max silver said:

It's been announced that players aren't allowed to refer to the dugout for which pitches to challenge.

Hanton post it earlier today in here.

[Spanky__99]

3 hours ago, hanton said:

looks like it yes

 

13 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

Yeah but that's in games that don't mean anything, in games that mean something teams will work this to a science if they are given a chance. What do they consider "immediate"? By the time the pitcher gets the ball back?

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[Masterbather]

3 minutes ago, Spanky__99 said:

 

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Ah, okay. Thanks, I missed this post.

Gonna have to watch out that teams don't find a way to "Houston Astro" this.

[hanton]

21 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

Yeah but that's in games that don't mean anything, in games that mean something teams will work this to a science if they are given a chance. What do they consider "immediate"? By the time the pitcher gets the ball back?

2-3 seconds max.  watch some clips from AAA

[hanton]

^...however

imagine if the batter is facing his dugout - the dugout sees the pitch on dugout monitor (same view as us).  They could potentially signal to the batter to ask for a challenge - they would be pretty much instant

[Masterbather]

24 minutes ago, hanton said:

^...however

imagine if the batter is facing his dugout - the dugout sees the pitch on dugout monitor (same view as us).  They could potentially signal to the batter to ask for a challenge - they would be pretty much instant

This might be a stupid question, but do they get in house feeds in real time of the cameras in the dugout? Because the television feed always has a delay.

[hanton]

4 minutes ago, Masterbather said:

This might be a stupid question, but do they get in house feeds in real time of the cameras in the dugout? Because the television feed always has a delay.

not a stupid question, I don't know - so my scenario above would only be valid if they get the live feed.

[EnglishJay]

What's to stop a player receiving signals that a challenge is warranted.

I can see home teams getting some interesting clandestine methods in place to influence their players decisions whether to challenge.

[BTS]

Juan Soto is 4 steals away from a 40/40 season. Dude needs to run every time he's on base for the last 5 games 

[thatoneguy]

David Fry took a 99 mph Skubal fastball to the face when trying to bunt, awful stuff in Cleveland.

[Masterbather]

6 hours ago, BTS said:

Juan Soto is 4 steals away from a 40/40 season. Dude needs to run every time he's on base for the last 5 games 

That team has bigger concerns than Soto getting 40 steals.

[Masterbather]

5 hours ago, thatoneguy said:

David Fry took a 99 mph Skubal fastball to the face when trying to bunt, awful stuff in Cleveland.

To the f***ing face man, not even off the helmet, straight to the f***ing face. It goes without saying there's no good place to be hit in the face.

I don't know how managed to get up and look like he was doing reasonably well for a man whose face has just been rearranged.

[Masterbather]

While it's been a bad week for the Blue Jays, I can't even begin to fathom what Tigers fans must be feeling. Holy cow.

Skubal might have literally thrown their season away with that dumbass play. The f*** was he doing?

Cleveland is incredible man, to be doing this given the talent they lost during the season, especially with the offense they don't have. If you wrote this script for a movie it would be considered too corny to believe.

[mphenhef]

12 hours ago, EnglishJay said:

What's to stop a player receiving signals that a challenge is warranted.

I can see home teams getting some interesting clandestine methods in place to influence their players decisions whether to challenge.

It will be interesting to see how they monitor pitchcom being used to tip pitchers and catchers off to challenge....although given their vantage point is arguably the best I'm not sure anyone else would make better recomendations.

[Orgfiller]

This is how Cleveland scored 3 runs off Skubal and ultimately won the game last night:

https://np.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/1nozvmc/the_guardians_score_three_runs_in_the_6th_inning/

Absolutely disgusting. Don't get me wrong, Kwan's bunt was perfection and those guys run the bases extremely well, but the quality of contact on display getting rewarded is brutal. Skubal definitely did himself no favours, and was clearly rattled after the error only to really lose it after the HBP to the face. Jose Ramirez's hit, and Gabriel Arias' groundball scoring play would be repulsive to watch as the opposing team's fans.

[G-Snarls]

Speaking of Skubal...

OUCH.  On a 99 mph fastball.

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[G-Snarls]

Look at that curve s***

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[Spanky__99]

1 hour ago, G-Snarls said:

Speaking of Skubal...

OUCH.  On a 99 mph fastball.

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I wonder how this is going to turn out for Fry, that was square in the face, can't be good.