gdt july 4 lmao this team man

[Jays24]

Kirk does what a fat f*** does lol

[Omar]

We are truly the GIDP kings

[gruber92]

Horwitz can hit, man. It'll be interesting to see how the league adjusts and vice versa.

 

Mark Grace offensive profile, hopefully.

[Jimcanuck]

We are losing? Good

 

Lose the battle, win the war

[wilko]

We are losing? Good

 

Lose the battle, win the war

 

The war on Ross Atkins.

[Spanky99]

Mark Grace offensive profile, hopefully.

 

Isn't Mark Grace a near HOF or something? lol... slow down man.

[wilko]

Isn't Mark Grace a near HOF or something? lol... slow down man.

 

lol yeah he's definitely knocking at the HOF door.

[Spanky99]

Kirk does what a fat f*** does lol

 

I saw him pull a Valdez sinker down the left field line to tie the game with a double, you miss that?

[Jays24]

I saw him pull a Valdez sinker down the left field line to tie the game with a double, you miss that?

 

Awesome, let's talk about his one hit when he's batting below the medonza line. It's standards like this why we've become a joke of a team lol.

[Spanky99]

lol yeah he's definitely knocking at the HOF door.

 

Mark Grace led the 90's in basehits, an entire decade, lol. Of course Gruber has to drop a ridiculous comp on the kid. Next is Leo Jiminez is Tony Fernandez, lmao.

[Spanky99]

Awesome, let's talk about his one hit when he's batting below the medonza line. It's standards like this why we've become a joke of a team lol.

 

Sure, I understand that frustration, but this is the actual game day thread, right?

[Krylian]

Isn't Mark Grace a near HOF or something? lol... slow down man.

 

I'm guessing he means Mark Grace style. Not huge power but a great "Professional Hitter" with lots of doubles, lots of walks, and minimal strikeouts.

[Jays24]

Sure, I understand that frustration, but this is the actual game day thread, right?

 

Come on man, most of the frustrations in these threads are a product of the entire season, which is evident by the lack of posts overall in the thread.

[Orgfiller]

I'm guessing he means Mark Grace style. Not huge power but a great "Professional Hitter" with lots of doubles, lots of walks, and minimal strikeouts.

 

Why not just say a Keith Hernandez profile, who is kind of the gold standard for that kind of 1B archetype.

[wilko]

Why not just say a Keith Hernandez profile, who is kind of the gold standard for that kind of 1B archetype.

 

Keith Hernandez smokes.

[Masterbather]

Why not just say a Keith Hernandez profile, who is kind of the gold standard for that kind of 1B archetype.

 

I despise Keith Hernandez!!

[John_Havok]

Why not just say a Keith Hernandez profile, who is kind of the gold standard for that kind of 1B archetype.

 

True, but a Keith Hernandez bat (or Mark Grace for that matter) without the "best defense of all time" at 1b isn't worth a ton. That's basically what Vlad was until his recent hot stretch.

[Spanky99]

Come on man, most of the frustrations in these threads are a product of the entire season, which is evident by the lack of posts overall in the thread.

 

It's all your fault.

[max silver]

True, but a Keith Hernandez bat (or Mark Grace for that matter) without the "best defense of all time" at 1b isn't worth a ton. That's basically what Vlad was until his recent hot stretch.

 

It certainly changes the conversation if Horwitz can remain at second base and offer that kind of bat.

[Spanky99]

It certainly changes the conversation if Horwitz can remain at second base and offer that kind of bat.

 

Yeah, but he's likely thinking long haul. If he can stick at 2nd for awhile this team might have really found something. We'll see.

[max silver]

Yeah, but he's likely thinking long haul. If he can stick at 2nd for awhile this team might have really found something. We'll see.

 

He's likely stretched athletically to remain their over the long haul but I've been pleasantly surprised by his glove work up to this point.

[Spanky99]

He's likely stretched athletically to remain their over the long haul but I've been pleasantly surprised by his glove work up to this point.

 

Same, he'll get more reps and better at it, but he looks fine for now.

[connorp]

The hope was Babe was something too. Looking like not

[connorp]

I got Hunter Brown for Framber. Dude has been best pitcher in baseball since the ink dried

[BatFlip]

Why not just say a Keith Hernandez profile, who is kind of the gold standard for that kind of 1B archetype.

 

Isn’t Keith Hernandez the gold standard ahole who fired that magic loogie?

[Olerud363]

True, but a Keith Hernandez bat (or Mark Grace for that matter) without the "best defense of all time" at 1b isn't worth a ton. That's basically what Vlad was until his recent hot stretch.

 

This isn't true and just a reflection of the rarity of this type of player. Often because if they are good enough to put up neutral defense at first they are good enough for another position (think Matt Carpenter for example).

 

I mean 2002 "Money Scott Hatteburg", 2017 Joe Mauer, even Vlad 2024 was on track for 3 WAR even before his power showed up.

 

The "no power bro" line drive hitting first basemen can be from -2 to 8 WAR just like any other. Rarer type of player but math is still math and it adds up if the player is contributing positively.

 

It's not like they need all time defense, just need to have a -0.5 WAR defense instead of -2... That isn't any different for the big time power guys like Rowdy and Vlad. 2022 Rowday and 2023 Vlad are 1 WAR players too despite 118 mph max exit V and 470 max distance (80 max power basically).

[Olerud363]

It certainly changes the conversation if Horwitz can remain at second base and offer that kind of bat.

 

Probably about 7-10 years ago there was a bunch of huge arguments on the board about defense and how value changes when moving positions.

 

Probably should review the Tango thread, but my understanding is the D-systems are designed so that players maintain consistent value when moving positions.

 

So hypothetically if Horwitz can 'stick' at second, he should also be one of these neutral defense first basemen. So if he's holding his own at second, he should also be a very good defensive first basemen and his WAR won't change much moving to first.

 

As a side note the only thing that doesn't make sense to me about all this, is that moving positions there may be more opportunities for difficult plays. So while a neutral defensive player shouldn't change value too much changing positions. A very good, or very bad defensive player might change value a lot going to a more difficult position (because more difficult plays they make/don't make). This seems to agree with fan's intuition (Varsho has more value in center, "hide" bad d-players at first or left).

[Olerud363]

Probably about 7-10 years ago there was a bunch of huge arguments on the board about defense and how value changes when moving positions.

 

Probably should review the Tango thread, but my understanding is the D-systems are designed so that players maintain consistent value when moving positions.

 

So hypothetically if Horwitz can 'stick' at second, he should also be one of these neutral defense first basemen. So if he's holding his own at second, he should also be a very good defensive first basemen and his WAR won't change much moving to first.

 

As a side note the only thing that doesn't make sense to me about all this, is that moving positions there may be more opportunities for difficult plays. So while a neutral defensive player shouldn't change value too much changing positions. A very good, or very bad defensive player might change value a lot going to a more difficult position (because more difficult plays they make/don't make). This seems to agree with fan's intuition (Varsho has more value in center, "hide" bad d-players at first or left).

 

Some firstbasemen hit's .280 .360 .400 with neutral defense and has 3 WAR

 

BJMB - "no power bro" need all time Keith Hernandez defense for firstbase with no power to work

 

Some firstbasemen hit's .300 .400 .450 with neutral defense and has 4 WAR

 

BJMB - "no power bro" need all time Keith Hernandez defense for firstbase with no power to work

 

Some firstbasemen hit's .240 .300 .490 with 36 homers with -2 WAR defense and 1 WAR total

 

BJMB- "There you go. Power. That's what a firstbasemen needs to do!

[Jimcanuck]

It's very weird, but there is only 1 Keith now in MLB and MiLB, and it's not even his first name.

 

Colt Keith is the only Keith in MLB and MiLB.

 

I think it's a fine name, myself. Much better than Jordan, Noah, Levi and other androgynous names they give boys these days.

[DigitalRock]

It's very weird, but there is only 1 Keith now in MLB and MiLB, and it's not even his first name.

 

Colt Keith is the only Keith in MLB and MiLB.

 

I think it's a fine name, myself. Much better than Jordan, Noah, Levi and other androgynous names they give boys these days.

 

They should rename the team to the Toronto Keiths