GDT - KC Royals @ Toronto Blue Jays (1/3) 7:07pm ET

[L54]

Barger did him zero favors in that first inning. I think this first year is going to be somewhat of an adventure with having not pitched last year and throwing in relief in Japan the year prior anyway.

 

But the Stuff models really like him and so does Steamer. Masturbator (disgusting username btw) is right that the #5 will become an issue at some point with his innings limit. He looks good enough to make it to the ASB at which point we can trade for one if we have to.

 

Yes Steamer likes him but thats factoring in 30+ relief appearances too. He’s certainly going to be capped and it will be interesting to see how they manage his innings throughout the season

[Spanky99]

 

Pitch 5 was the awful called strike

 

I don't know if I've ever seen one worse than that

 

Holy... lol. at least we actually scored 6 runs, needed everybit of that, f*** umpires man.

[Spanky99]

Had to listen to that game on radio watching son play ball in snow tonight. Man that sounded tense. Atta boy Nate. W!

 

Trooper!

[Spanky99]

Never in doubt!!!! The good guys pull out a gutsy win.

 

 

LETS GO BLUE JAYS *CLAP, CLAP* *CLAP, CLAP, CLAP*

 

LETS GO BLUE JAYS *CLAP, CLAP* *CLAP, CLAP, CLAP*

 

LETS GO BLUE JAYS *CLAP, CLAP* *CLAP, CLAP, CLAP*

 

[Spanky99]

Yes Steamer likes him but thats factoring in 30+ relief appearances too. He’s certainly going to be capped and it will be interesting to see how they manage his innings throughout the season

 

Probably piggy-backed until he gets down two innings with the Silver Fox following him, they'll likely need to get a 5 at the deadline, if Manoah can't make it back. I think.

[Masterbather]

Yeah Ben is a nepo baby but he was pretty confident and smooth tonight.

 

Doesn't have the deep voice but was both smooth and confident as you said. I wasn't bothered by him.

[BigCecil]

Man I forgot that Perez was part of that 2015 Royals team that f***ed us up.

 

And you know what grinds my gears?

 

Buck said Sal has had "Hall of Fame" career yesterday. He is 17 career fWAR. Russell Martin has 55, and is never even mentioned as a HOF candidate by any commentator or analyst.

[CJ-Freeway]

Holy... lol. at least we actually scored 6 runs, needed everybit of that, f*** umpires man.

 

True, reminded me of that infamous Ben Revere "called strike" in our last ALCS game in 2015.

[CJ-Freeway]

And you know what grinds my gears?

 

Buck said Sal has had "Hall of Fame" career yesterday. He is 17 career fWAR. Russell Martin has 55, and is never even mentioned as a HOF candidate by any commentator or analyst.

 

Wow, I didn't know that, that's a crazy stat! I haven't heard any analyst/broadcaster talk about Martin being a potential future HOFer either...

[wilko]

And you know what grinds my gears?

 

Buck said Sal has had "Hall of Fame" career yesterday. He is 17 career fWAR. Russell Martin has 55, and is never even mentioned as a HOF candidate by any commentator or analyst.

 

Martin has 101 steals compared to Perez's 6. If a catcher gets over 100 steals they should automatically get in the HOF.

[Terminator]

He obviously shouldn't even sniff it but Sal Perez has a chance at the HoF.

 

WS winner

WS MVP

8x All-Star

5x Gold Glove Winner

4x Silver Slugger

 

His trad stats will look good too

300+ homers

1000+ RBI

.260+ average

 

Dinosaur sports writers are foaming at the mouth to elect this guy. Might not be enough of them anymore but the veteran's committee will also be foaming at the mouth.

[Laika]

He obviously shouldn't even sniff it but Sal Perez has a chance at the HoF.

 

WS winner

WS MVP

8x All-Star

5x Gold Glove Winner

4x Silver Slugger

 

His trad stats will look good too

300+ homers

1000+ RBI

.260+ average

 

Dinosaur sports writers are foaming at the mouth to elect this guy. Might not be enough of them anymore but the veteran's committee will also be foaming at the mouth.

 

His trad resume makes the dinos think he is a 50 WAR catcher and counting

 

Ten straight 5 win seasons! two way star

[Terminator]

"He was a big guy behind the plate. Could really take a beating with his size and toughness back there and he redefined the position by showing that big guys can play the position well. In addition to all the hardware and stats (Top 3 all-time for homers and RBI for Catchers!), his leadership skills and the way he handled a staff was indispensable for that small market Royals team that made back to back WS and won it in 2015. Just a great overall ballplayer."

 

Every time he takes a foul ball off his mask or something you hear the announcer say something similar and that will get thrown in to his HoF pitch.

[wilko]

"He was a big guy behind the plate. Could really take a beating with his size and toughness back there and he redefined the position by showing that big guys can play the position well. In addition to all the hardware and stats (Top 3 all-time for homers and RBI for Catchers!), his leadership skills and the way he handled a staff was indispensable for that small market Royals team that made back to back WS and won it in 2015. Just a great overall ballplayer."

 

Every time he takes a foul ball off his mask or something you hear the announcer say something similar and that will get thrown in to his HoF pitch.

 

He's probably the most respected and talked about catcher for a while now. Any broadcast, they drool over him.

[Orgfiller]

And you know what grinds my gears?

 

Buck said Sal has had "Hall of Fame" career yesterday. He is 17 career fWAR. Russell Martin has 55, and is never even mentioned as a HOF candidate by any commentator or analyst.

 

While you're right, and not to discredit the effects of catcher framing, the only reason Salvador Perez looks so incredibly unremarkable by fWAR is his framing has been historically bad for a guy with his kind of workload behind the plate. By bWAR he's at a much more respectable 34.5 WAR through age 33. As mentioned along with the accolades and the legitimately pretty strong hitting resume for a catcher, if he lived in another era like the 90s to early 2000s pre-framing metrics, we would look back at him as a slightly overrated stud in a small market that stayed loyal to his original team whom he brought lots of glory for.

 

He's a big guy with pretty good blocking given his size, excellent at throwing out runners, plays all the time and is respected by pitchers, and has rare power for a catcher. Unfortunately he never learned how to walk so his OBP was always unremarkable, is likely overrated as a blocker just because he's a big guy, and has been woeful as a framer for years in part due to his size being a disadvantage at the bottom of the zone, not to mention his exceptional workload is actually a net negative here since it gives him more chances to accrue negative value there.

[Jays24]

Martin has 101 steals compared to Perez's 6. If a catcher gets over 100 steals they should automatically get in the HOF.

 

How many does Kirk have? Lol

[Orgfiller]

How many does Kirk have? Lol

 

As many as you'd expect. There's hope though, the Molina brothers combined for 94 steals between the three of them! 3 for Bengie, 20 for Jose and 71 for Yadi.

[G-Snarls]

Any Kirk SB will for sure have footnote:

 

- defensive indifference

 

Like it's 10-1 and he's on first and Varsho on third and they don't GAF if he takes second

 

All that said I still want to see it!