Blue Jays Sign Daniel Vogelbach to Minor League Deal

[Terminator]

Same group who said, IFK is a depth piece only..... Maybe, but................................................................

 

So what are you saying? That Roster Resource is wrong and that Escobar is secretly our new starting 3B? That Justin Turner, Spencer Horwitz and all the other DH possibilities are actually going to back up Daniel Vogelbach who is set for 500 ABs?

[jaysblue]

There isn't anything wrong with signing guys like Vogelbach or Escobar to minor league deals and as depth options, though if the Blue Jays don't sign anyone else, good chance both of them somehow end up on the MLB roster and get playing time early on.

[Dick_Pole]

Seems like that offseason where JPR signed guys like John Thompson, Tomo Ohka and Victor Zambrano lol.

 

Remember when this man suggested (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) that the Jays sign Votto, Donaldson and some other over-the-hill has been and was relentlessly mocked for it?

 

Welp, the Jays have been dumpster diving a tier below that. I know MILB and all. But someone else said it well. A better team with depth doesn't even waste an MILB spot with this type of player.

[jaysblue]

Welcome to the 2023/34 MLB off season.

 

After Ohtani all a team can do is dumpster dive.

 

Either that or give out complete albatross contracts to overrated players who will more than likely be a drag on the team financially when there are actual difference makers available.

 

I mean if Bellinger and Chapman both end up signing one-year deals that are reasonable, would be disappointing if they weren't able to sign one of them.

[jaysblue]

Remember when this man suggested (somewhat tongue-in-cheek) that the Jays sign Votto, Donaldson and some other over-the-hill has been and was relentlessly mocked for it?

 

Welp, the Jays have been dumpster diving a tier below that. I know MILB and all. But someone else said it well. A better team with depth doesn't even waste an MILB spot with this type of player.

 

I suggested Votto or JD as bench pieces/veteran bats. Have no issue with them signing Escobar and Vogelbach as bench pieces as well to MiLB deals. Hopefully both don't get more than 200 PA's unless injuries happen. Though given the Jays rolling with IKF as their main 3B, I could see Escobar getting PA's especially if IKF struggles offensively earlier on.

[burlingtonbandit]

I don't think any minor league signing is a bad one really unless the guy is a clubhouse cancer. That said its still fair to say this offseason has been a massive disappointment any its reasonable to suggest Atkins misread the market and jumped the gun signing guys like KK and IKF when it didn't seem like those guys were sought after (not to mention the less than ideal fits on the roster)

[jaysblue]

I don't think any minor league signing is a bad one really unless the guy is a clubhouse cancer. That said its still fair to say this offseason has been a massive disappointment any its reasonable to suggest Atkins misread the market and jumped the gun signing guys like KK and IKF when it didn't seem like those guys were sought after (not to mention the less than ideal fits on the roster)

 

Yeah I had no issue with the KK and IKF signings, but even said at the time as long as they don't hinder or tie up the Jays from making other offseason moves later on. As we approach ST, seems like they have unless the Jays sign/trade for another OF or 3B.

 

I was talking with someone and said the same thing - think Atkins jumped the gun signing KK and IKF to those deals early in the offseason, when there wasn't really any serious interest for the both of them. The way the offseason has gone, would wager that KK and IKF would still be FA's right now. Atkins tends to act early to fill holes/roster spots in the offseason e.g. like he did with Kendrys Morales as a DH signing him to a 3-year deal at the beginning of the offseason when he didn't really have to rush or need to.

[Laika]

Some of you guys are too much

 

Did you also get saddy sad when they signed Greg Bird and Dexter Fowler in 2022? Did you wake up at 3 am and pee your Toy Story jammies about the roster implications of those signings?

[Laika]

I suggested Votto or JD as bench pieces/veteran bats. Have no issue with them signing Escobar and Vogelbach as bench pieces as well to MiLB deals. Hopefully both don't get more than 200 PA's unless injuries happen. Though given the Jays rolling with IKF as their main 3B, I could see Escobar getting PA's especially if IKF struggles offensively earlier on.

 

Both these guys are so cooked. Only way Vogelbach and Escobar get MLB time this year is probably a team level injury event.

Food poisoning on March 27th.

Mass hysteria in the clubhouse.

A tragic group bicycle accident that is probably Alek Manoah's fault.

Zombies.

[Terminator]

 

Horrible signing. Phillies should be ashamed to have to stoop to dumpster diving like this.

[Terminator]

 

Joke org will hand out 700 million dollar contracts but when it comes to the bullpen they are cheapskates.

 

The LA Dumpster Divers amiright?

[burlingtonbandit]

Some of you guys are too much

 

Did you also get saddy sad when they signed Greg Bird and Dexter Fowler in 2022? Did you wake up at 3 am and pee your Toy Story jammies about the roster implications of those signings?

 

Looks like you woke up in the middle of the night after wetting the bed and had to come onto BJMB and.... *piss some more*

[Carlos Danger]

So what are you saying? That Roster Resource is wrong and that Escobar is secretly our new starting 3B? That Justin Turner, Spencer Horwitz and all the other DH possibilities are actually going to back up Daniel Vogelbach who is set for 500 ABs?

 

We have a bunch of unknown mid talent. Even Duke Stachio wasn’t given ABs in the playoffs until the very end and he sucked the last part of the season. We have a bunch of unknowns who have never played in MLB and other guys who most of us wish were cut from the roster plus your boy Biggio.

 

You well know that tons of top 20 specs flame out and we don’t even have any top 50 on the way.

 

The point I am making is my gut, based upon looking at the roster up until now, is the Jays are not just signing these guys for depth, which is generally for if a bunch of guys get hurt, but also because they need to plug holes on the MLB roster. Which is different than just deep injury depth.

 

There is nada wrong with signing 100 guys on milb contracts. Just in this particular case it highlights mlb roster deficiencies to this point IMO.

[Spanky99]

So what are you saying? That Roster Resource is wrong and that Escobar is secretly our new starting 3B? That Justin Turner, Spencer Horwitz and all the other DH possibilities are actually going to back up Daniel Vogelbach who is set for 500 ABs?

 

lmao

[Spanky99]

We have a bunch of unknown mid talent. Even Duke Stachio wasn’t given ABs in the playoffs until the very end and he sucked the last part of the season. We have a bunch of unknowns who have never played in MLB and other guys who most of us wish were cut from the roster plus your boy Biggio.

 

You well know that tons of top 20 specs flame out and we don’t even have any top 50 on the way.

 

The point I am making is my gut, based upon looking at the roster up until now, is the Jays are not just signing these guys for depth, which is generally for if a bunch of guys get hurt, but also because they need to plug holes on the MLB roster. Which is different than just deep injury depth.

 

There is nada wrong with signing 100 guys on milb contracts. Just in this particular case it highlights mlb roster deficiencies to this point IMO.

 

Wow... dude?

[Omar]

Vlad is going to look like Raimel Tapia sitting next to Vogelbach in the dugout. 5d chess next level by Atkins.

[deanmike]

 

These 2 posts from BNS, plus Chris Black's Kool Aid thread on him has me thinking the Rogers company line is he's probably making the team as the 13th position player over guys like Clement/Horwitz.

[Laika]

Horwitz vs Vogelbach is funny

 

They are incredibly similar at the dish. Bit more power for Vogelbach but less hits.

[jaysblue]

 

These 2 posts from BNS, plus Chris Black's Kool Aid thread on him has me thinking the Rogers company line is he's probably making the team as the 13th position player over guys like Clement/Horwitz.

 

Yeah I could see Vogelbach with a hot spring training making the team as the last bench piece and they could use him as a DH strictly against RHP on the days Turner plays some 3B. As well as a pinch hitter late in the game for IKF or Espinal or KK etc. There definitely is a way he could get 300 PA's.

 

Only downside is he can't play a position and has no versititlity, other than 1B lol. Gallo would have been a nice fit in this role since he could play multiple positions, but would have cost $5M

[jaysblue]

 

Joke org will hand out 700 million dollar contracts but when it comes to the bullpen they are cheapskates.

 

The LA Dumpster Divers amiright?

 

Ohtani never signed up for this! He was expecting Josh Hader, not Justin Wilson!

[jaysblue]

Both these guys are so cooked. Only way Vogelbach and Escobar get MLB time this year is probably a team level injury event.

Food poisoning on March 27th.

Mass hysteria in the clubhouse.

A tragic group bicycle accident that is probably Alek Manoah's fault.

Zombies.

 

I think Escobar is more of an insurance policy with the bat at 3B since the Jays are rolling with IKF. If Escobar has a good spring training offensively, I could see him being on the active roster, making 2-3 starts per week and pinch-hitting late in games for IKF. If an injury or injuries happen, for sure he'll get more playing time. Though I still think he finds a way to get 200 + PA's if he makes the team out of spring training or more, especially if IKF really is a huge disappointment with the bat and if he doesn't live up to his defensive expectations in the early going.

 

Like you said earlier, a lot of minor league FA's choose their teams. Escobar chose the Jays because he knows unless the Jays re-sign Chapman, he has a great chance at a roster spot and playing time as his only competition is really IKF.

[Laika]

I think Escobar is more of an insurance policy with the bat at 3B since the Jays are rolling with IKF. If Escobar has a good spring training offensively, I could see him being on the active roster, making 2-3 starts per week and pinch-hitting late in games for IKF. If an injury or injuries happen, for sure he'll get more playing time. Though I still think he finds a way to get 200 + PA's if he makes the team out of spring training or more, especially if IKF really is a huge disappointment with the bat and if he doesn't live up to his defensive expectations in the early going.

 

I don't see it with Escobar, he was so bad and is so old. This is like Dexter Fowler in 2022. He might get some playing time in 2024 if he willing to go to Buffalo for a while.

 

Vogelbach projects to be about the same as Horwitz so I guess he could be the final bench piece and get some PAs. Horwitz would be the fave though since he has the youth up arrow and a bit more defensive utility. I'm not even sure Vogelbach can do 1B anymore

[jaysblue]

I don't see it with Escobar, he was so bad and is so old. This is like Dexter Fowler in 2022. He might get some playing time in 2024 if he willing to go to Buffalo for a while.

 

Vogelbach projects to be about the same as Horwitz so I guess he could be the final bench piece and get some PAs. Horwitz would be the fave though since he has the youth up arrow and a bit more defensive utility. I'm not even sure Vogelbach can do 1B anymore

 

We'll see what happens. If Escobar doesn't impress during ST, for sure he's gone or sent to Buffalo. He did hit 20 HR's in 2022, so he still does have some pop. Even an aging broken down Escobar is likely an upgrade offensively over IKF lol.

 

Vogelbach needs a hot spring with the bat and Horwitz to struggle. Jays could send Horwitz down, so they have more roster flexibility with him. If Vogelbach makes the team and struggles heavily in April/May, he likely gets DFA'd and Horwitz takes his place. Don't mind seeing what Vogelbach could do with the bat against RHP if he has a hot spring. He has some pop and could get on-base. But yeah Horwitz is younger and has more defensive utility which is an advantage.

[wamco]

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[Carlos Danger]

Both these guys are so cooked. Only way Vogelbach and Escobar get MLB time this year is probably a team level injury event.

Food poisoning on March 27th.

Mass hysteria in the clubhouse.

A tragic group bicycle accident that is probably Alek Manoah's fault.

Zombies.

 

I just woke up out here in Cali. Which one is it? Zombie invasion? (which I am ready for and knew was coming!).

 

Because it appears Volgelbach is already planned for or very close to being considered for the MLB roster.

[Laika]

I just woke up out here in Cali. Which one is it? Zombie invasion? (which I am ready for and knew was coming!).

 

Because it appears Volgelbach is already planned for or very close to being considered for the MLB roster.

 

Do you have any sense of how any of this works?

 

It's not like they sign these guys and then tell them "yeah bud you have almost no chance of making the team"

 

Greg Bird was this player two years ago, he had a 2.000 OPS in spring and people were ordering jerseys, and he didn't even make the team

[BlueRocky]

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Yeah I could see Vogelbach with a hot spring training making the team as the last bench piece and they could use him as a DH strictly against RHP on the days Turner plays some 3B. As well as a pinch hitter late in the game for IKF or Espinal or KK etc. There definitely is a way he could get 300 PA's.

 

Only downside is he can't play a position and has no versititlity, other than 1B lol. Gallo would have been a nice fit in this role since he could play multiple positions, but would have cost $5M

 

I looked up Vogelbach's splits and was amazed at how poorly he's hit left handed pitching for his career. I don't recall coming across splits quite this extreme as most guys who have lefty/righty splits can at least occasionally produce vs same handed pitching.

 

Vs LHP

 

2023 -81 wRC+

2022 29 wRC+

2021 2 wRC+

2020 24 wRC+

Career 35 wRC+

[BlueRocky]

wow mets fans don’t like him very much

[max silver]

wow mets fans don’t like him very much

 

That's really rich of an obese dude to infer that he could be anywhere close to as good at baseball as Vogelbach.