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[connorp]

Merrill -950 pretty locked but Skenes +750 with a chance if he collapsed and he could pitch until the very end. Definitely not worth betting either way though

[L54]

To be fair - it wasn't a strike...wasn't really that close either. At least it isn't 1995 still where rookies get shafted on calls because of unwritten rules about earning respect and ******** like that.

 

To be fair, we’re talking centimetres from 60 feet away. Just make the call and move on instead of showing up the rookie. Imagine doing that to Scherzer

 

Also do you live under a rock?

 

[Brownie19]

To be fair, we’re talking centimetres from 60 feet away. Just make the call and move on instead of showing up the rookie. Imagine doing that to Scherzer

 

Also do you live under a rock?

 

I can't tell from that video...does the ump say anything to Skenes? All I can see from that video is the ump talking to Derek Shelton. I originally assumed Shelton barked at the ump and that was his response, but perhaps the ump did bark out at Skenes to not show him up? Hard to tell because the commentators were talking. Either way - it wasn't a strike - it wasn't even that close and certainly not a pitch you'd start walking off the mound, assuming it's a strike. It's really stupid to show up the ump like that in the 1st inning whether you're a rookie or a vet.

 

I'm also not sure the one Langford at bat is evidence that umpires give rookies a harder time like they did back in 1995. Angel shouldn't be used as any example of how the typical umpire works these days. Angel Hernandez is a disgrace to the game.

[L54]

I can't tell from that video...does the ump say anything to Skenes? All I can see from that video is the ump talking to Derek Shelton. I originally assumed Shelton barked at the ump and that was his response, but perhaps the ump did bark out at Skenes to not show him up? Hard to tell because the commentators were talking. Either way - it wasn't a strike - it wasn't even that close and certainly not a pitch you'd start walking off the mound, assuming it's a strike. It's really stupid to show up the ump like that in the 1st inning whether you're a rookie or a vet.

 

I'm also not sure the one Langford at bat is evidence that umpires give rookies a harder time like they did back in 1995. Angel shouldn't be used as any example of how the typical umpire works these days. Angel Hernandez is a disgrace to the game.

 

Boomer take

[L54]

Is the board excruciating slow for anyone else?

[John_Havok]

Is the board excruciating slow for anyone else?

 

I'll let you know the answer when your post finishes loading

[Spanky99]

Andrighetti ouch...

[connorp]

Is the board excruciating slow for anyone else?

 

I won’t say how the board votes, as that would be politics, but let’s just say it seems they’re pushing pretty hard for the welfare. If I wasn’t partial to all the nerds here, I’m not sure I’d deal with the full page ads you have to close and stuff

[connorp]

Andrighetti ouch...

 

Are we Spaghetti bros? Not one of his better games to say the least.

Kumar from the ashes to #30 BA now. Likely Top 10-15 preseason. I should sell my hot tips somehow

 

Did I have him in both the board leagues?

[Ray]

Giants resign Matt Chapman for $151 million over 6 years. Surprising not just because of the timing but also Boras not taking Chapman to free agency.

 

That’s one player who would’ve been a fit gone. Also sets the mark for Bregman negotiations, someone who I assume we might be interested in.

[Stangstag]

Giants resign Matt Chapman for $151 million over 6 years. Surprising not just because of the timing but also Boras not taking Chapman to free agency.

 

That’s one player who would’ve been a fit gone. Also sets the mark for Bregman negotiations, someone who I assume we might be interested in.

 

Thats… an interesting deal to see mid-season. Seems like an overpay, basically around the number people thought he might get last offseason except he’s a year older.

 

Chappy got his bag. Good for him.

[jaysblue]

Who's winning the AL and NL ROY races? Will Skenes pitch enough innings to catch Merrill and/or Chourio? Fitzgerald may have won it if he was called up earlier.

 

Cowser or Wells in the AL? Gil or Mason Miller could enter the conversation.

 

Tough call.

 

Was going to ask this question as well a couple of days ago haha.

 

Paul Skenes has received more media attention in my view, whereas Jackson Merrill hasn't got the same fanfare, though quietly has been really good posting a 4.2 fWAR season thus far and helping the Padres make the Wild Card. It's either one of those two, but since Merrill is an everyday player and has been really good, would go with him.

 

As for the AL, it's not so clear cut. Cowser has been a solid piece for the O's, though offensively he hasn't put up eye popping numbers. He leads all the candidates in terms of WAR. As for Wells, playing behind the plate on a contending team is definitely an advantage. Gil's numbers have slowed down since his hot start. Mason Miller has been electric and one of the best closers/relievers in baseball this season. I know he's just a closer, but his numbers stand out in comparison more to the other candidates. We've seen closers win ROY before, so wouldn't surprise me if Mason Miller gets some serious consideration.

[jaysblue]

Merrill -950 pretty locked but Skenes +750 with a chance if he collapsed and he could pitch until the very end. Definitely not worth betting either way though

 

Yeah Jackson Merrill is the NL Favourite paying a 1.08 whereas Skenes is second at 9.50. Only way Skenes gets close is he wins like NL Pitcher of the Month in September and Merrill has a drop-off.

 

In the AL, Cowser is the favourite at 1.38 with Austin Wells at 3.10. The rest of the pack is way behind like Wilyer Abreu (26.00), Colt Kieth (91.00), Ceddanne Rafaela (101.00), Luis Gil (101.00) Wyatt Langford (126.00), Jackson Holliday (151.00) and Mason Miller (151.00).

 

Heck, I would put $5 on Mason Miller for fun at those odds. But yeah I see voters likely voting for an everyday guy like Cowser or Wells.

[jaysblue]

Thats… an interesting deal to see mid-season. Seems like an overpay, basically around the number people thought he might get last offseason except he’s a year older.

 

Chappy got his bag. Good for him.

 

Yeah 6 years seems like a lot, but I guess they had to had the extra year or two to keep him from testing free agency. Great deal for Chapman, but not sure I would be wanting to pay him $25M AAV starting at the age of 31 for the next six seasons. A lot of his value is tied to his glove so he if regresses defensively as he ages, doesn't have enough of a bat to make up for it.

 

You know what you're going to get with Chapman. He's not a star offensively. He's a guy who can hit anywhere from .220 to .240 with a 110 to 120 wRC+ and around 25 HR's.

[jaysblue]

Giants resign Matt Chapman for $151 million over 6 years. Surprising not just because of the timing but also Boras not taking Chapman to free agency.

 

That’s one player who would’ve been a fit gone. Also sets the mark for Bregman negotiations, someone who I assume we might be interested in.

 

Bregman and his agent are definitely happy when they wake up this morning. He likely now could get a 7 to 8 year deal with more AAV since he has a track record of success offensively as well, whereas Chapman is really just more known for his defensive abilities. I could see Bregman's contract breaking $200M easily.

[Laika]

Are we Spaghetti bros? Not one of his better games to say the least.

Kumar from the ashes to #30 BA now. Likely Top 10-15 preseason. I should sell my hot tips somehow

 

Did I have him in both the board leagues?

 

No, loser. He's part of my Drag Show.

[harvey16]

Thats… an interesting deal to see mid-season. Seems like an overpay, basically around the number people thought he might get last offseason except he’s a year older.

 

Chappy got his bag. Good for him.

 

Wow, that is a massive overpay for a guy turning 32 next year that hasn't hit above .250 or an OPS over .800 in 5 years. He's clearly declining including his defensive matrix. How can the Giants front office not see this?

[Brownie19]

That isn't a good sign for the Jays as we near the offseason. That's a big bag of money for a guy entering his age 32 season. That said, he's been really, really good this year. Good for Chappy, but there's a ton of risk in that for the Giants. Giants are an interesting team. Fitzgerald, Bailey and Ramos are nice young players, but overall, this team stinks and I don't see that changing anytime soon unless they spend a f***ton more in the offseason. Not much on the farm system to get excited about, yet they always seem to be trying to shove and buy big names.

[Laika]

It's like the Springer contract but the player is a year older. Could get real ugly, real fast.

[L54]

Giants resign Matt Chapman for $151 million over 6 years. Surprising not just because of the timing but also Boras not taking Chapman to free agency.

 

That’s one player who would’ve been a fit gone. Also sets the mark for Bregman negotiations, someone who I assume we might be interested in.

 

So they pretty much gave him 7/170 this offseason

 

Wouldn’t want anything to do with that

[Spanky99]

As much talk as Judge gets around the league, Bobby Witt Jr. is having an unreal season. His bat has matched his D and he's going to put up a 10 WAR season... When was the last SS that's done that? Ripkin Jr.?

 

This final month should be interesting to watch this MVP race unfold.

[Spanky99]

Are we Spaghetti bros? Not one of his better games to say the least.

Kumar from the ashes to #30 BA now. Likely Top 10-15 preseason. I should sell my hot tips somehow

 

Did I have him in both the board leagues?

 

Psssstt... Rocker isn't a secret.

[L54]

I won’t say how the board votes, as that would be politics, but let’s just say it seems they’re pushing pretty hard for the welfare. If I wasn’t partial to all the nerds here, I’m not sure I’d deal with the full page ads you have to close and stuff

 

Just get a VPN with Adblock and you don’t have to worry about the ads

[Spanky99]

So they pretty much gave him 7/170 this offseason

 

Wouldn’t want anything to do with that

 

lol... that's gross. Happy for the Chapster!

[Laika]

As much talk as Judge gets around the league, Bobby Witt Jr. is having an unreal season. His bat has matched his D and he's going to put up a 10 WAR season... When was the last SS that's done that? Ripkin Jr.?

 

Primarily SS, best seasons all time by fWAR

 

1. Honus Wagner 11.8 fWAR 1908

2. Lou Boudrea 10.9 fWAR 1948

3. Honus Wagner 10.8 fWAR 1905

4. Cal Ripkin Jr. 10.6 fWAR 1991

5. Alex Rodriguez 10.0 fWAR 2002

6. Robin Young 1982

7. Cal Ripken Jr. 1984

8. Ernie Banks 1959

9. Honus Wagner 1909

10. Rico Petrocelli 1969

11. Honus Wagner 1906

12. Bobby Witt Jr. 9.6 fWAR and counting 2024

 

Projections say he should do 0.9 more WAR this year. He should pass A. Rod and post an all time SS season. Outside shot to pass Cal and 1905 Honus and be 3rd best ever...

 

He appears to be an A Rod level talent. If Witt Jr. finds a way to do steroids he might have a 100 WAR career.

[Brownie19]

Well that made me look up who Lou Boudreau was. Quite a good player. It's so amazing to look at stats from that era and see a guy who had a 14.5% BB rate and a 1.3% K rate. Such a different time.

[wilko]

Wow, that is a massive overpay for a guy turning 32 next year that hasn't hit above .250 or an OPS over .800 in 5 years. He's clearly declining including his defensive matrix. How can the Giants front office not see this?

 

Giants gonna Giant.

[max silver]

lol... that's gross. Happy for the Chapster!

 

Yeah good for Chapman in producing a huge season and getting paid but thank f*** it's someone else handing out that type of deal.

[Orgfiller]

That isn't a good sign for the Jays as we near the offseason. That's a big bag of money for a guy entering his age 32 season. That said, he's been really, really good this year. Good for Chappy, but there's a ton of risk in that for the Giants. Giants are an interesting team. Fitzgerald, Bailey and Ramos are nice young players, but overall, this team stinks and I don't see that changing anytime soon unless they spend a f***ton more in the offseason. Not much on the farm system to get excited about, yet they always seem to be trying to shove and buy big names.

 

It's just strange because the Giants are basically bidding against themselves in this deal. Like this is the absolute max deal that any team would be comfortable giving to Chapman, which might be generous, and they did it before the player even gets to FA to test the waters? Chapman this season has basically been his identical usual self, 110-120 wRC+, plus/plus-plus defense, slightly better baserunning than usual. That guy last offseason could only do as a good as 3/54 (with the player opt outs giving him more leverage), is he really worth 3 times that amount a year later (older) with no semblance of a talent change? What a weird contract to hand out before they reach FA.

[Brownie19]

It's just strange because the Giants are basically bidding against themselves in this deal. Like this is the absolute max deal that any team would be comfortable giving to Chapman, which might be generous, and they did it before the player even gets to FA to test the waters? Chapman this season has basically been his identical usual self, 110-120 wRC+, plus/plus-plus defense, slightly better baserunning than usual. That guy last offseason could only do as a good as 3/54 (with the player opt outs giving him more leverage), is he really worth 3 times that amount a year later (older) with no semblance of a talent change? What a weird contract to hand out before they reach FA.

 

Yeah - who knows. I never really understand the Giants. The only angle I can see is this is the Giants telling the league and it's players "we're committed to winning and will pay top dollar, as required to achieve that". Do you overpay Chapman in hopes that other stars think "those guys will spend what's required to get top players" and thus it makes them more attractive to free agents? That's the best I can come up with.