The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 MLB Pipeline has us as the 30th best farm system. I was really hoping this regime would have been better at drafting and developing. Major changes should be coming to both those departments as well...very depressing Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk Link?
Laika Community Moderator Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 Link? I think this guy just made it up. I couldn't fund any new rankings. Maybe it was just some person on TV saying it.
The Cats Ass Old-Timey Member Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 I think this guy just made it up. I couldn't fund any new rankings. Maybe it was just some person on TV saying it. I found a random one on Bleacher Report that had us last. If this is the one he's referring to it should be a 1-week ban.
Carlos Danger Old-Timey Member Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 Last or 25th it is not a place we should be or a discussion we should be having. Not acceptable.
AMS528 Verified Member Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 I found a random one on Bleacher Report that had us last. If this is the one he's referring to it should be a 1-week ban. It's definitely that one cause it was posted to reddit and was on the top of the Jays subreddit for a little bit.
Rusty_Savage Verified Member Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 Yeah I was high when I posted that lol. Either way it's a s*** farm, our top prospect has a glass elbow and and our second best prospect is suspended for the rest of the season. Some wave of talent Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
Rusty_Savage Verified Member Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 Last or 25th it is not a place we should be or a discussion we should be having. Not acceptable.I don't normally agree with you but this is correct. The drafting and/or development done by this management has left a lot to be desired. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
BillSupra Verified Member Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 https://x.com/KhalStephen/status/1815067440604234197
metafour Verified Member Posted July 22, 2024 Posted July 22, 2024 The following are signed per MLB.com Transactions: 2nd round RHP Khal Stephen 4th round 3B Sean Keys 4th round OF Nick Mitchell 5th round RHP Jackson Wentworth 9th round RHP Colby Holcombe 10th round OF Carter Cunningham 11th round RHP Troy Guthrie (HS) 13th round C Brock Tibbitts 1th round 2B JR Freethy 15th round RHP Jonathan Todd https://www.mlb.com/bluejays/roster/transactions
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 Last or 25th it is not a place we should be or a discussion we should be having. Not acceptable. Yeah, these fools dropped the ball, no bueno.
hanton Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 BR ranks us 30th AFTER the draft. geez https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10128672-updated-mlb-farm-system-rankings-after-2024-mlb-draft
metafour Verified Member Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 BR ranks us 30th AFTER the draft. geez https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10128672-updated-mlb-farm-system-rankings-after-2024-mlb-draft I always go to Bleacher Report first for my MiLB news! I legit didn't even know they had someone writing about baseball farm systems. Translation: those rankings are worth nothing. For example; how does Toronto rank behind Miami, if Miami's best prospect is Noble Meyer?
metafour Verified Member Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 The 2nd rounder is a kid that they like who will likely sign for under-slot, which ties into them drafting 3 HS pitchers later who are all likely to sign over-slot deals. The 12th rounder (Carson Messina) is a Top 250 ranked prospect and will command a hell of a lot more than $150K. The 3rd rounder (Johnny King) has a slot value of ~$767K for his pick, but it took the Jays $1.5 million to sign a comparable HS pitcher last year (Landen Maroudis). Do the math my guy. As I was saying, 2nd round pick Khal Stephen signs for $1.1 mill (top of the 3rd round money) and 3rd round pick Johnny King signs for $1.2 mill. The rest of the banked pool (+5%) likely goes to Messina who I'm guessing signs for ~$700K+.
hanton Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 I always go to Bleacher Report first for my MiLB news! I legit didn't even know they had someone writing about baseball farm systems. Translation: those rankings are worth nothing. For example; how does Toronto rank behind Miami, if Miami's best prospect is Noble Meyer? read the methodology used to come up with the ranking
metafour Verified Member Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 read the methodology used to come up with the ranking Toronto's #6 prospect (Nimmala) is a better prospect than Miami's #5 prospect (Morlando - literally just drafted and a late 1st/2nd round talent who was drafted as an under slot pick with their 1st round pick). Even if injured Tiedemann is a higher likelihood of succeeding (with the same upside) as Noble Meyer who hasn't even figured out High A. I've never heard anyone ever refer to a Bleacher Report MiLB article or ranking, my guy. There is a reason for that.
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 read the methodology used to come up with the ranking You're not going to win this argument. BR doesn't have much credibility.
hanton Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 Toronto's #6 prospect (Nimmala) is a better prospect than Miami's #5 prospect (Morlando - literally just drafted and a late 1st/2nd round talent who was drafted as an under slot pick with their 1st round pick). Even if injured Tiedemann is a higher likelihood of succeeding (with the same upside) as Noble Meyer who hasn't even figured out High A. I've never heard anyone ever refer to a Bleacher Report MiLB article or ranking, my guy. There is a reason for that. I just posted for reference after noticing it was being discussed, system is bad, Fangraphs and MLB have us around 25th overall. Feel free to post a ranking from another publication
connorp Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 Toronto's #6 prospect (Nimmala) is a better prospect than Miami's #5 prospect (Morlando - literally just drafted and a late 1st/2nd round talent who was drafted as an under slot pick with their 1st round pick). Even if injured Tiedemann is a higher likelihood of succeeding (with the same upside) as Noble Meyer who hasn't even figured out High A. I've never heard anyone ever refer to a Bleacher Report MiLB article or ranking, my guy. There is a reason for that. So maybe they’re 27th or 28th. That really puts him in his place! How about those apples?
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 Toronto's #6 prospect (Nimmala) is a better prospect than Miami's #5 prospect (Morlando - literally just drafted and a late 1st/2nd round talent who was drafted as an under slot pick with their 1st round pick). Even if injured Tiedemann is a higher likelihood of succeeding (with the same upside) as Noble Meyer who hasn't even figured out High A. I've never heard anyone ever refer to a Bleacher Report MiLB article or ranking, my guy. There is a reason for that. Who the f*** is Joel Reuter, lol?
metafour Verified Member Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 So maybe they’re 27th or 28th. That really puts him in his place! How about those apples? Exactly. Come correct or don't come at all. Don't bring me joeblowmilbstuff.com as your "reference" for our apparently last place farm system.
hanton Old-Timey Member Posted July 23, 2024 Posted July 23, 2024 lol Snell vs Ryan debut is way more interesting
metafour Verified Member Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 HS RHP Carson Messina signs for $550K. Wow what a signing. Extend Ross Atkins!
Laika Community Moderator Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 Messina might be a dude Saw tweets that said sitting 94-96 (2500+ RPM), touching 98mph, & a wipeout slider peaking at 89 MPH (2900+).
Pendleton Old-Timey Member Posted July 24, 2024 Author Posted July 24, 2024 Messina might be a dude Saw tweets that said sitting 94-96 (2500+ RPM), touching 98mph, & a wipeout slider peaking at 89 MPH (2900+). Can see what the MLB.com scouting report was saying with the "considerable effort" in his delivery. This level of investment is more reflective of a HS power pitcher with stuff yet reliever concerns, versus your more projectable HS arm. We need more power pitchers in the system regardless, so it's good to see one added here.
Brownie19 Old-Timey Member Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 Maybe it's the angle, but it looks like the balls come out of his hand weird. He lands quite open too.
Eat My Shatkins Verified Member Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 Messina might be a dude Saw tweets that said sitting 94-96 (2500+ RPM), touching 98mph, & a wipeout slider peaking at 89 MPH (2900+). I look forward to watching him dominate all the way up the MiLB ladder before his arm falls off by the time he reaches AAA
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 HS RHP Carson Messina signs for $550K. Wow what a signing. Extend Ross Atkins! Very good signing.
John Balkabella Verified Member Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 Seems Messina wasn’t a battle, after all.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 24, 2024 Posted July 24, 2024 Seems Messina wasn’t a battle, after all. Agreed number before the draft, about 200K under where he could've went without the agreement I gather, very nice signing.
Jimcanuck Old-Timey Member Posted July 25, 2024 Posted July 25, 2024 Angels' 3rd round pick Prager forgoes close to $1M to return to Texas A&M. Smart or no. I say no.
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