2023 MLB Postseason Thread

[connorp]

In any event, .830 OPS to .780 is a big drop. If that’s a few % pts lower on wRC+, I don’t using that stat in this case.

 

.780 OPS in fantasy is almost replaceable. .830 you got a keeper

 

As a fantasy guru, I have an idea what a big bat is

[Terminator]

In any event, .830 OPS to .780 is a big drop. If that’s a few % pts lower on wRC+, I don’t using that stat in this case.

 

.780 OPS in fantasy is almost replaceable. .830 you got a keeper

 

As a fantasy guru, I have an idea what a big bat is

 

With analysis like that you're going to have to excuse me for disagreeing with your baseball takes every once in a while.

[Stangstag]

Though I was wrong against positional adjustment, I’m not a fan of league adjusts. They’re using the same ball. Mlb changes its balls and that can explain yearly changes, but affects both leagues.

 

Top guys in AL hit just fine. There’s not better Aces in the AL.

 

Not a fan of using wRC+ to determine big bats. Needs to be OPS

 

Yeah that’s because you don’t understand how it works lol

[Stangstag]

In any event, .830 OPS to .780 is a big drop. If that’s a few % pts lower on wRC+, I don’t using that stat in this case.

 

.780 OPS in fantasy is almost replaceable. .830 you got a keeper

 

As a fantasy guru, I have an idea what a big bat is

 

Can you please define the word fantasy for me?

[Spanky__99]

Though I was wrong against positional adjustment, I’m not a fan of league adjusts. They’re using the same ball. Mlb changes its balls and that can explain yearly changes, but affects both leagues.

 

Top guys in AL hit just fine. There’s not better Aces in the AL.

 

Not a fan of using wRC+ to determine big bats. Needs to be OPS

 

lol

[connorp]

Can you please define the word fantasy for me?

 

Fantasy baseball. You know the leagues you joined where I’ve risen from the ashes of a rebuild

[Spanky__99]

In any event, .830 OPS to .780 is a big drop. If that’s a few % pts lower on wRC+, I don’t using that stat in this case.

 

.780 OPS in fantasy is almost replaceable. .830 you got a keeper

 

As a fantasy guru, I have an idea what a big bat is

 

lmao... Wooooooooooooooooooo

[John_Havok]

The + is the problem I think? I’m not claiming to know. Obviously there’s an adjustment if Walker .830 OPS is almost same as Vlad’s .780 or whatever

 

Top AL hitters did just fine. Term is also a conservative and should be against the principle of adding to Vlads stats. It’s saying, there wasn’t enough good hitters in the AL, so let me give you something for free

 

yes, the + is a problem in your thinking.

 

+ stats take the raw numbers and adjust for different hitting environments and then scale to league average where 100 is league average.

 

Comparing wRC+ straight across to OPS ... doesn't really tell you anything useful.

[Jimcanuck]

Fantasy baseball. You know the leagues you joined where I’ve risen from the ashes of a rebuild

 

You'd do better in fantasy with a better understanding of baseball stats. You're welcome.

[connorp]

Whatever… trolls and regulars alike complained about how boring the Bluejays were this year. Couldn’t hit for s***.. no one was shocked they couldn’t score runs in PS, now you better not say they werent an offensive powerhouse. Ok

[connorp]

yes, the + is a problem in your thinking.

 

+ stats take the raw numbers and adjust for different hitting environments and then scale to league average where 100 is league average.

 

Comparing wRC+ straight across to OPS ... doesn't really tell you anything useful.

 

Yes, I object to the + bc AL gets a boost from having worse hitters.

[jaysblue]

Walker's been Garb, lol.

 

Lmao he would have led the Jays in HR's this season. Jays lineup could have really used a 30-HR bat.

[jaysblue]

Sil disproving his own point by showing how our number 9 hitter is about as good as the guy who spent most of the year batting #5 for them lol

 

If Player A and Player B posted a similar wRC+ and WAR, would have the Jays lineup this season benefited more having Player A who hit around 25 HR's this season and who played everyday or having Player B with little power, who only hit 8 HR's and who was just a platoon bat?

[connorp]

Lmao he would have led the Jays in HR's this season. Jays lineup could have really used a 30-HR bat.

 

In fairness to Spank-off, I think he was referring to CW’s extended post season slump. But he was a big part of getting them through the first couple series

[Terminator]

If Player A and Player B posted a similar wRC+ and WAR, would have the Jays lineup this season benefited more having Player A who hit around 25 HR's this season and who played everyday or having Player B with little power, who only hit 8 HR's and who was just a platoon bat?

 

The point of your post was to compare our offense to theirs and you did so by showing how our #9 hitter is similar to their #5/6.

 

Now you want to talk about which player you would rather have which is a different discussion. But to answer that question I'd rather have Kiermaier since he has out WAR'd Lourdes every single year since Lourdes' debut in 2018.

[jaysblue]

Here we go again...

 

What did I say wrong or controversial?

 

Both lineups weren't anything special in 2023. You can debate all day long whether who had a better lineup, the Jays or D'Backs. It's not black and white was all I said. When the Jays lineup is clicking like it was in 2021 (even when you exclude Semien), it definitely is much better. Though that wasn't the case in 2023. Overall the Jays lineup as a whole in 2023 performed poorly and below expectations.

 

It's kind of hilarious how you and others continue to rip on the D'Backs constantly in order to defend the disappointing season the Jays had.

[Terminator]

What did I say wrong or controversial?

 

Both lineups weren't anything special in 2023. You can debate all day long whether who had a better lineup, the Jays or D'Backs. It's not black and white was all I said. When the Jays lineup is clicking like it was in 2021 (even when you exclude Semien), it definitely is much better. Though that wasn't the case in 2023. Overall the Jays lineup as a whole in 2023 performed poorly and below expectations.

 

It's kind of hilarious how you and others continue to rip on the D'Backs constantly in order to defend the disappointing season the Jays had.

 

The here we go again is because we have this discussion every single day lol

[jaysblue]

The here we go again is because we have this discussion every single day lol

 

Today was the first time I posted anything in this thread since Thursday lol.

[Terminator]

Today was the first time I posted anything in this thread since Thursday lol.

 

Ok my bad it isn't literally every single day. But it's quite often.

[connorp]

Really if there was no me, the established narrative here would’ve been what a disappointment the Jays bats were, and what a stud Carroll and Marte are…but rather than give me an inch, these people would rather cut off their own nose to spite their face. It’s all good, boys

[Stangstag]

Really if there was no me, the established narrative here would’ve been what a disappointment the Jays bats were, and what a stud Carroll and Marte are… but rather than give me an inch, these people would rather cut off their own nose to spite their face. It’s all good, boys

 

Has anyone denied that?

[jaysblue]

If Brandon Belt was an everyday player, hitting against LHP as well, would his wRC+ be 138?

[TheHurl]

who's roster would you be more comfortable with going into the offseason.

DBacks

C - Moreno and Herriera

1B - Walker

2B - Marte

SS - Perdomo

3B - Jace Peterson Jordan Lawlor

LF - Pavin Smith

CF - Thomas

RF - Carroll

DH, Bench and potential pieces - McCarthy, Fletcher, Lewis, Castillo, Barrosa

 

C - Jansen, Kirk

1B - Vladdy

2B - Schneider

SS - Bo

3B - Espinal

LF - Biggio

CF - Varsho

RF - Springer

DH, Bench and maybes - Lukes, Horowitz, Clement, Lopez, Barger, Jimenez, Martinez.

 

While Arizona has way more payroll flexibility (which is expected to used up with pitching), their lineup is very much dependant on Lawlor taking a step up and new players brought in. I fully understand that the Jays lineup is supposed to be better considering the spending...but Arizona (as I have mentioned before) are hardly set up for a long run outside of the huge piece that is Corbin Carroll

[TheHurl]

If Brandon Belt was an everyday player, hitting against LHP as well, would his wRC+ be 138?

 

of course not, stupid question.

[max silver]

If Brandon Belt was an everyday player, hitting against LHP as well, would his wRC+ be 138?

 

Belt played nearly every day when he was healthy and available. He played in approximately 85% of the team's games when he wasn't on the injured list and/or dealing with illness. The Jays right handed heavy lineup really limited how often the team faced left handed pitching as a whole, and Belt hit in the top of the order which made opposition managers really hesitant to bring in lefty specialists as Belt was surrounded by the likes of Springer, Bo and Vlad.

 

Over the last 5 months of the season produced around 110 WRC+ against left handed pitching so he was actually decently effective.

[TheHurl]

Really if there was no me, the established narrative here would’ve been what a disappointment the Jays bats were, and what a stud Carroll and Marte are…but rather than give me an inch, these people would rather cut off their own nose to spite their face. It’s all good, boys

 

Marte has outhit Vlad once since his Rookie year. that was this year where Marte had a 128 wRC plus to Vlad's 117. Tough to call him a stud hitter and not consider Vlad to be one (Not sure of your opinion on Vlad just pointing out a recency bias)

[jaysblue]

of course not, stupid question.

 

Not a stupid question at all when some posters on here are using Belt's season and comparing him with top bats in Arizona's lineup like Corbin Carroll.

 

So my point that Brandon Belt is just a platoon player and he shouldn't even be used in the same discussion as some other bats.

[Terminator]

Wow Hurl just landed a devastating combination of attacks there

[jaysblue]

Belt played nearly every day when he was healthy and available. He played in approximately 85% of the team's games when he wasn't on the injured list and/or dealing with illness. The Jays right handed heavy lineup really limited how often the team faced left handed pitching as a whole, and Belt hit in the top of the order which made opposition managers really hesitant to bring in lefty specialists as Belt was surrounded by the likes of Springer, Bo and Vlad.

 

Over the last 5 months of the season produced around 110 WRC+ against left handed pitching so he was actually decently effective.

 

Belt is just a platoon bat. Yes he had an outstanding season, but if playing everyday he wouldn't have been as effective.

[jaysblue]

Wow Hurl just landed a devastating combination of attacks there

 

Not really, he just proved my point against yours.