General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[Stangstag]

Javier Báez is weird. He had some pretty great seasons before Detroit, but now...

 

What happened there do you think? If Bo does get traded, and the Tigers ate a lot of his salary, would Javier Báez be an interesting trade target?

 

Teams smartened up and learned you basically never have to throw him a strike... he never adjusted.

[Spanky99]

Baez as a target? ROFLMAO

[Ryu In My House]

Baez as a target? ROFLMAO

 

Your posts continue to have as much nutritional value as a candy wrapper, mate.

[Spanky99]

Your posts continue to have as much nutritional value as a candy wrapper, mate.

 

And your suggestions are one big pile of...

 

[Ryu In My House]

And your suggestions are one big pile of...

 

 

Your response continues your general trend of post quality.

[Terminator]

So there were 7 big contracts signed by SS's in the past couple of years. Some can already be written off as disasters as early as year 1 or 2. Others are trending that way. And there is still time for all of them to turn out bad.

 

Awful

Story-Disaster

Baez- Disaster

 

Not looking good

Bogaerts- With 9 years left this could be a bigger disaster than the two listed above. He's already sliding down the defensive spectrum and swinging a noodle.

 

Dangerous

Turner- I'd be worried as heck about this one. These 4 WAR seasons are nice and all but he put up 13 and a half WAR in the 2 seasons prior to this deal. His xStats suck which suggest he's not even this good and with these giant contracts you generally want to get some surplus value early on because this will not be a team-friendly deal for his Age 36-40 seasons.

 

Holding up their end of the bargain, for now

Correa- His vesting options make this one more tolerable but I wouldn't be surprised if he missed more games than he plays from here on out

Lindor- Putting up monster seasons early on will soften the blow that the decline years will bring.

Seager- Similar to Lindor but I trust him a lot less long term.

Swanson- This one is actually trending pretty well. He's out-WARd Turner so far and he'll have two very solid years in the bank with just 5 to go. But it seems like his bat is on the verge of cratering out and if that happens, or his defense slips, this one could still blow up.

[jaysblue]

And your suggestions are one big pile of...

 

 

You're favourite GIF haha

[Spanky99]

Your response continues your general trend of post quality.

 

Alright simp, tell me how Baez is an interesting target? Take your time.

[max silver]

The problem with May is he had turned into kind of a slap hitter. Like yes his wRC+ was 166, but his BABIP was .412 and his ISO .112 which was lower than even his poor April. Now sure, in retrospect you can say that maybe May was him tweaking his swing to have more bat control and plate discipline, as his K rate dropped and walk rate improved. But it was concerning at the time that someone with his natural raw power and hitting prowess could only be a rich man's Ichiro. Subsequent months saw the power output and contact ability merge into one, culminating in the glorious stretch from July onwards as an absolutely elite hitter.

 

I'm not sure it's fair to suggest Vlad was a slap hitter. He averaged 94.8 MPH in the month of May off of the bat. He was actually hitting the ball so hard that some of his potential extra base hits turned into singles as the ball was off of the wall so quickly and into the outfielder's glove.

[Ryu In My House]

Alright simp, tell me how Baez is an interesting target? Take your time.

 

My rationale is in the original post, mate. Reading is your friend.

[max silver]

Alright simp, tell me how Baez is an interesting target? Take your time.

 

I'd agree Baez is a very interesting target. He's a remarkably bad target but he's far from boring.

[Spanky99]

My rationale is in the original post, mate. Reading is your friend.

 

That's why I quoted it, you imbecile.

[Ryu In My House]

Here is my rationale...

 

Background Check: Javier Báez, affectionately known as “El Mago,” has had a career full of twists and turns. From his magical moments with the Chicago Cubs to his recent stint with the Detroit Tigers, he’s been both a wizard with the glove and a lightning bolt at the plate. But what happened in Detroit? And why should the Blue Jays consider him?

 

Analyzing Báez’s Performance

 

Offensive Upside:

 

Báez’s offensive profile is like a rollercoaster ride. He’s had MVP-caliber seasons (remember 2018?), but he’s also faced slumps (hello, 2020). His swing-and-miss tendencies are real, but he’s shown improved plate discipline at times.

In 2023 with the Tigers, he played in 136 games, hitting .222/.267/.325 with 18 doubles, four triples, and nine home runs. Not exactly eye-popping, but let’s not forget his ceiling.

 

Defensive Versatility:

Báez has been an elite defender at shortstop for years. But here’s the twist: He also owns positive defensive metrics at second base. In 2,141 career innings at second, he’s been solid in both UZR (Ultimate Zone Rating) and DRS (Defensive Runs Saved).

He’s even dabbled at third base, with 65 games of starting experience. His arm strength and agility make him intriguing there.

 

Super-Utility Potential:

Imagine a Báez who toggles between second base and third base. He’d spell Bo Bichette at shortstop occasionally, or maybe replace him if traded.

 

Offensive Ceiling: When Báez is on, he’s electric. His power potential and ability to drive in runs could inject life into the Jays’ lineup.

 

Defensive Wizardry: Whether at second or third, Báez’s glove work is gold. He’s a human highlight reel waiting to happen.

The Calculated Risk

 

Contract: Báez signed a six-year, $140 million deal with the Tigers in 2021. The Tigers would pay 50-75% of this for shizzle.

 

Price Tag: The Jays have already committed significant funds this offseason. Can they afford another splash? In this scenario, Baez costs way less than Bichette, and we get a ton of prospects for Bichette, also.

 

Conclusion: Low Risk, High Reward?

Báez could be the missing puzzle piece for the Jays. His versatility, defensive prowess, and offensive potential make him a tantalizing trade target. If the Jays can unlock his magic, they’ll have a dynamic player who can impact games in multiple ways.

[Spanky99]

Javier Báez is weird. He had some pretty great seasons before Detroit, but now...

 

What happened there do you think? If Bo does get traded, and the Tigers ate a lot of his salary, would Javier Báez be an interesting trade target?

 

Why???

[Spanky99]

lol... I said Good day.

[Spanky99]

Here is my rationale...

 

Background Check: Javier Báez, affectionately known as “El Mago,” has had a career full of twists and turns. From his magical moments with the Chicago Cubs to his recent stint with the Detroit Tigers, he’s been both a wizard with the glove and a lightning bolt at the plate. But what happened in Detroit? And why should the Blue Jays consider him?

 

Analyzing Báez’s Performance

 

Offensive Upside:

 

Báez’s offensive profile is like a rollercoaster ride. He’s had MVP-caliber seasons (remember 2018?), but he’s also faced slumps (hello, 2020). His swing-and-miss tendencies are real, but he’s shown improved plate discipline at times.

In 2023 with the Tigers, he played in 136 games, hitting .222/.267/.325 with 18 doubles, four triples, and nine home runs. Not exactly eye-popping, but let’s not forget his ceiling.

 

Defensive Versatility:

Báez has been an elite defender at shortstop for years. But here’s the twist: He also owns positive defensive metrics at second base. In 2,141 career innings at second, he’s been solid in both UZR (Ultimate Zone Rating) and DRS (Defensive Runs Saved).

He’s even dabbled at third base, with 65 games of starting experience. His arm strength and agility make him intriguing there.

 

Super-Utility Potential:

Imagine a Báez who toggles between second base and third base. He’d spell Bo Bichette at shortstop occasionally, or maybe replace him if traded.

 

Offensive Ceiling: When Báez is on, he’s electric. His power potential and ability to drive in runs could inject life into the Jays’ lineup.

 

Defensive Wizardry: Whether at second or third, Báez’s glove work is gold. He’s a human highlight reel waiting to happen.

The Calculated Risk

 

Contract: Báez signed a six-year, $140 million deal with the Tigers in 2021. The Tigers would pay 50-75% of this for shizzle.

 

Price Tag: The Jays have already committed significant funds this offseason. Can they afford another splash? In this scenario, Baez costs way less than Bichette, and we get a ton of prospects for Bichette, also.

 

Conclusion: Low Risk, High Reward?

Báez could be the missing puzzle piece for the Jays. His versatility, defensive prowess, and offensive potential make him a tantalizing trade target. If the Jays can unlock his magic, they’ll have a dynamic player who can impact games in multiple ways.

 

Where'd you copy pasta this horseshit, fool...

Super-Utility Potential:

Imagine a Báez who toggles between second base and third base. He’d spell Bo Bichette at shortstop occasionally, keeping the lineup fresh. Or maybe replace him if traded. Dunno.

Cavan Biggio and Santiago Espinal could maximize platoon

 

Bwahahahaha

[Ryu In My House]

lol... I said Good day.

 

Another quality post, mate. You are like the Donald Trump of posters.

[jaysblue]

Tigers would have to eat like $18M-20M or so of his 23.3M AAV over the remaining three years lol.

 

After 2025, the FA shortstop class is Bo, Trevor Story (if he decides to opt-out), Tommy Edman, Will Castro and Jorge Mateo. Nothing that great.

 

A Springer for Baez swap could make sense since they're both bad contracts, but would need the Tigers to eat the extra year Baez has left. Springer is most likely just a 2 WAR guy unless he has some rejuvenated year at the age of 35 or 36. Baez the last two seasons has been really awful however (-0.1 WAR combined lol). If he could be a 2 WAR infielder with strong defense, like it's not bad. Doubt we see him post 4 to 5 WAR seasons again. He's still just 31. But there is a chance Baez is a negative WAR player, whereas at least you know with Springer he's going to give you around 1.5 - 2 WAR even if he sucks. Though logistically, Tigers have a crowded OF, so Springer would have to DH mostly while playing sparingly in a corner. I just don't see it happening.

 

If the Jays are contending, would prefer them to aim higher at shortstop. Unless they swap a bad contract like Springer, which makes it easier to target a big bat in RF. If they're in retool mode, then roll with Orelvis Martínez.

[Madkenstalin]

Random observation from a long distance fan, but is the CN tower in the jays logo? Rotate it 90 degrees and Im sure it's there in the eye.

Not stoned/drunk!

Apologies if stupid question! I'm not in the loop so much the other side of the planet!

[Brownie19]

I think we can let this discussion go. It's embarrassing we're discussing the merits of acquiring Javy Baez. He still has 3 years remaining on one of the worst contracts handed out in MLB history.

[AMS528]

I think we can let this discussion go. It's embarrassing we're discussing the merits of acquiring Javy Baez. He still has 3 years remaining on one of the worst contracts handed out in MLB history.

 

Yeah a discussion in not really necessary when you're talking about a guy who's produced wRC+ OF 89, 62, and 41 over the first three seasons of his massive deal haha.

 

No you point and laugh at that deal from a distance and then consider whether Bo has a risk profile that is in that ballpark as well (not that it matters, he's not resigning and we're probably trading him).

[The_DH]

Random observation from a long distance fan, but is the CN tower in the jays logo? Rotate it 90 degrees and Im sure it's there in the eye.

Not stoned/drunk!

Apologies if stupid question! I'm not in the loop so much the other side of the planet!

 

No it's not part of the regular logo, they're separate companies but the Dome can clearly be seen just to the east of the ballpark right next door and on that dark night shirt where it's on the right. Given the layout, if you were in the seats just behind the 3b dugout, you could see the Tower when the lid is open.

[Laika]

Random observation from a long distance fan, but is the CN tower in the jays logo? Rotate it 90 degrees and Im sure it's there in the eye.

Not stoned/drunk!

Apologies if stupid question! I'm not in the loop so much the other side of the planet!

 

Not intentionally

 

I guess if you rotate it and squint it sort of looks like the eye and mouth crack are the CN Tower

[John_Havok]

Yeah a discussion in not really necessary when you're talking about a guy who's produced wRC+ OF 89, 62, and 41 over the first three seasons of his massive deal haha.

 

No you point and laugh at that deal from a distance and then consider whether Bo has a risk profile that is in that ballpark as well (not that it matters, he's not resigning and we're probably trading him).

 

Even if Bo has that risk profile, he's on the books for 1 more year at 17 million. Why on earth would we trade that away to replace with someone worse, and more expensive, for longer.

 

Makes zero sense

 

I know you're not advocating it. The entire conversation about it is lunacy

[The Cats Ass]

I think we can let this discussion go. It's embarrassing we're discussing the merits of acquiring Javy Baez. He still has 3 years remaining on one of the worst contracts handed out in MLB history.

 

Tigers could eat 100% of that contract and they still wouldn't get a prospect in trade.

[jaysblue]

Ryu In My House also forgot to mention that Anthony Rendon would be a great trade target at 3B.

[Omar]

Ryu In My House also forgot to mention that Anthony Rendon would be a great trade target at 3B.

 

Insert hesdeadalready.gif

[Jonn]

Jays should put Bassit and Green on waivers and see if anyone would take their contracts.

[John_Havok]

Jays should put Bassit and Green on waivers and see if anyone would take their contracts.

 

Naw, both would have some trade value in the offseason still.

 

As long as they're under the tax there's no reason to dump salary for no return

[Brownie19]

Naw, both would have some trade value in the offseason still.

 

As long as they're under the tax there's no reason to dump salary for no return

 

I don't know man. You think anyone wants Bassitt for $21M? I don't think they'd even get a lottery ticket for him. I think someone would find the money to add Green, simply because lockdown RPers are money in the playoffs. Bassitt wouldn't help anyone in the playoffs this year.