General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[Sorrow]

I am concerned about Bichette, we're at 398 PA since he came back from the leg injury and the bat has been not good.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/bo-bichette/19612/game-log?position=SS&gds=2023-08-19&gde=2024-10-31&season=&type=0

 

5.3BB%, 18.3K%, .121 ISO 89.3 EV, 85 WRC+, .245/.289/.366 triple slash. I'm hoping that the leg injuries he had last summer are starting to get in the rear view mirror but things haven't been good for a while.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Anyone complaining about Bo and Springer for all our offensive woes is out to lunch. Counting on Springer to be a big bounce back with his age and IL history was never smart. Kirk same for that matter, but he is starting to swing it a little better. Bo is a BAPIP bat with high chase low BB. Wouldn't be surprised if he tears it up 2nd half again.

 

Every team has challenges. Underperformance and injuries etc. ATL lost Acuna Jr. Cole has been out for NYY all season and they are playing .696 baseball. Wander Franco is banished etc etc.

 

Bo, Springer, Kirk, Vladdy...

 

130 wRC+ for Vladdy with 7 homers and 1 fWAR mid-June is a joke

 

Expecting Springer to bounce back? How about just staying league average? He went from 133 wRC+ to 104 wRC+ to 76 wRC+

 

Kirk goes from 129 wRC+ to 96 wRC+ to 80 wRC+

 

Bo's wRC+ over his career, 140 - 120 - 122 - 130 - 125 - 83

 

Last year we had a drop off for all these hitters from well above league average to league average.

 

People were hoping for them to bounce back but instead they've gotten worse. Would have been nice if they could have at least stayed league average, we'd probably have a handful more wins that way.

 

It's like a nightmare

[Terminator]

Imagine telling someone in the offseason that our starting 2B and leadoff hitter would be Spencer Horwitz lol

[connorp]

Who is the Karen here exactly? I'd reckon it's the dude who outright refuses to stop using an offensive word on these forums despite repeated warnings to stop doing so, and multiple bans for using the offensive word in question. Either he's a Karen or he's just too dumb to take a hint.

 

Jays are winning and so your sunshine isn’t out of place. Take the W there and move on

[connorp]

Not a team worth of watching, winning. But admittedly winning is winning

[Omar]

"Cooperstown hired my dad to work with thousands of children. As a coach, my dad SEVERELY abused me as a child. Whether they knew about him before hiring him, I don’t know,” Bichette wrote in a series of Instagram stories. “During MY youth baseball years, I was being beaten either during or after bad performances by my father. I watched him physically fight my coaches, other coaches, fans, and many umpires. It makes me sick to my stomach that Cooperstown has given him a platform to speak in front of children and potentially influence the kids, the parents, and the coaches. On a personal note, I’m absolutely dumbfounded by his acceptance of the role.”

 

Dante Bichette Jr.

 

https://dailyhive.com/toronto/dante-bichette-blue-jays-coach-abuse

[Laika]

who knows, man

 

maybe it's true, maybe it's embellished.

 

if Dante Bichette was physically fighting "coaches, other coaches, fans, and many umpires" then it wouldn't be a secret, Dante Bichette Jr. was probably on scout radars from little league, his dad's conduct would be well known?

[Spanky99]

"Cooperstown hired my dad to work with thousands of children. As a coach, my dad SEVERELY abused me as a child. Whether they knew about him before hiring him, I don’t know,” Bichette wrote in a series of Instagram stories. “During MY youth baseball years, I was being beaten either during or after bad performances by my father. I watched him physically fight my coaches, other coaches, fans, and many umpires. It makes me sick to my stomach that Cooperstown has given him a platform to speak in front of children and potentially influence the kids, the parents, and the coaches. On a personal note, I’m absolutely dumbfounded by his acceptance of the role.”

 

Dante Bichette Jr.

 

https://dailyhive.com/toronto/dante-bichette-blue-jays-coach-abuse

 

I remember the first time he came out with this, back when Dante was coaching the Jays. Sad if this is indeed true.

[Terminator]

Family s*** can get messy.

 

Could be true, could be a lie. The truth is probably in between.

 

Regardless, the team should add Dante back to the dugout as our 9th hitting consultant. We were mashing the year he was here.

[Spanky99]

who knows, man

 

maybe it's true, maybe it's embellished.

 

if Dante Bichette was physically fighting "coaches, other coaches, fans, and many umpires" then it wouldn't be a secret, Dante Bichette Jr. was probably on scout radars from little league, his dad's conduct would be well known?

 

Don't be so sure, dude. I was told about this same conduct from Tie Domi with his boy coming up through the GTHL and OMHA, there's always bad apples, I myself have seen some stupid s*** from dad's, never mind one's with cement heads.

[max silver]

who knows, man

 

maybe it's true, maybe it's embellished.

 

if Dante Bichette was physically fighting "coaches, other coaches, fans, and many umpires" then it wouldn't be a secret, Dante Bichette Jr. was probably on scout radars from little league, his dad's conduct would be well known?

 

If I recall correctly Dante Bichette was charged with beating his then pregnant wife so it's really doubtful any of this is embellished in any way.

[Laika]

If I recall correctly Dante Bichette was charged with beating his then pregnant wife so it's really doubtful any of this is embellished in any way.

 

right I remember that now

 

I think last time Jr. talked about this he said that Sr. told him they treated him differently than Bo because Jr. turned out "too soft and gay"

[Terminator]

right I remember that now

 

I think last time Jr. talked about this he said that Sr. told him they treated him differently than Bo because Jr. turned out "too soft and gay"

 

90's parenting in a nutshell

[Omar]

The fact that Bo remains silent on the issue speaks volumes.

[max silver]

The fact that Bo remains silent on the issue speaks volumes.

 

It seems like he's still close with his father and he wasn't the primary victim so it's not surprising he doesn't want to speak about this.

[Spanky99]

The fact that Bo remains silent on the issue speaks volumes.

 

Yeah, no comment has been his answer, basically, IIRC.

[Omar]

It seems like he's still close with his father and he wasn't the primary victim so it's not surprising he doesn't want to speak about this.

 

If he is close with his old man and this is untrue then why no words of defence?

[Spanky99]

It seems like he's still close with his father and he wasn't the primary victim so it's not surprising he doesn't want to speak about this.

 

Jr. said last time that Bo fears, Dante.

[max silver]

If he is close with his old man and this is untrue then why no words of defence?

 

It the allegations against Dante are remotely true it's completely indefensible. Bo has literally nothing to gain by speaking up about this, and if he comes to the defense of a guy who is most likely a serial domestic abuser he's going to be absolutely roasted in the public sphere.

[The_DH]

It the allegations against Dante are remotely true it's completely indefensible. Bo has literally nothing to gain by speaking up about this, and if he comes to the defense of a guy who is most likely a serial domestic abuser he's going to be absolutely roasted in the public sphere.

 

I think it's too much for anyone to even discuss. If so I feel bad for Bo. But I don't think it's something people with no real idea should be discussing.

[Spanky99]

I think it's too much for anyone to even discuss. If so I feel bad for Bo. But I don't think it's something people with no real idea should be discussing.

 

It's in the media man?

[wilko]

A few people on this roster could use a Dante smack. Get him in the dugout!

[Omar]

It the allegations against Dante are remotely true it's completely indefensible. Bo has literally nothing to gain by speaking up about this, and if he comes to the defense of a guy who is most likely a serial domestic abuser he's going to be absolutely roasted in the public sphere.

 

But if untrue?

[max silver]

But if untrue?

 

What are the chances of that? 5%? 10%? There's enough smoke here that it seems almost certain that Dante Bichette is an abusive piece of garbage.

[The_DH]

It's in the media man?

 

So's a lot of s***. Doesn't mean we need to buy into the discussion.

[Omar]

What are the chances of that? 5%? 10%? There's enough smoke here that it seems almost certain that Dante Bichette is an abusive piece of garbage.

 

Hence my point about Bo's silence.

[ColdPint]

We’re going to hover around .500 and within striking distance of a WC spot and the Jays will end up doing a bit of tinkering on the fringes of the roster instead of doing what needs to be done.

 

We are very clearly not a contender and not having the organizational courage to see that and act upon it will prolong the Jays return to being legit contenders.

[Spanky99]

What are the chances of that? 5%? 10%? There's enough smoke here that it seems almost certain that Dante Bichette is an abusive piece of garbage.

 

Agreed, fam just doesn't go through that without recourse, I hope it happens. Wifey was and is obviously a victim.

[Eat My Shatkins]

Bo career OPS .806 / this season .633

Kirk career OPS .738 / this season .594

Springer career OPS .823 / this season .582

Turner career OPS .823 / this season .673

KK career OPS .713 / this season .565

Vogelbach career OPS .745 / this season .578

 

 

wRC+

 

Bo career 122 / season 83

Kirk career 111 / season 80

Springer career 128 / season 76

Turner career 126 / season 98

KK career 97 / season 62

Vogelbach career 108 / season 70

 

 

Something is just rotten to the core here.

 

Springer must be just cooked I guess, but JT still had an .800 OPS and 114 wRC+ last year.

 

Vladdy, IKF, Varsho and Jansen all hanging in around career averages.

[G-Snarls]

Too many key hitters having career-worst years all at once