General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2024)

[wamco]

You could speculate all you want that Chapman wouldn't tell the Jays that because he would lose leverage and all that - but you can't exclude the possibility that someone acted as a respectable human - instead of trying to squeeze every dollar possible out of the system.

 

- sounds like a boras repped player to me..

[Dick_Pole]

Zach Pop is 6'4" 220 lbs.

 

Sounds lanky to me.

 

Not that bad.

[Jays24]

Sounds lanky to me.

 

You need to go see what a 6'4 220 pounder looks like then lol

[Stangstag]

I know it is only spring training. But please rock that little s*** Stroman today and every-time we face him subsequently.

 

Danny burgers gonna hit one over 420ft to start a race war

[ilovejohnschneider]

 

no way !! nostalgia !!

[hanton]

that's the big off season splash we were looking for

[Terminator]

 

no way !! nostalgia !!

 

[bones10]

 

no way !! nostalgia !!

 

Pretty cool.

[John_Havok]

I mean.. Olney so... grain of salt, but it's probably true since Shulman just mentioned it on the broadcast.

 

Its a classy gesture to see if there's anything left in the tank, but there's also those Jersey sales i'm sure they're hoping for.

[wilko]

Well I’m 5’11” 240lbs with an 800lb squat. I’m not worried about Zach Pop.

 

You plan on facing him in an mlb game and charging the mound?

[John_Havok]

You plan on facing him in an mlb game and charging the mound?

 

I'm 6'6" and split squat 7000 pounds... as a warmup. So .... the e-warrior up there doesn't scare anyone.

[Jays24]

Well I’m 5’11” 240lbs with an 800lb squat. I’m not worried about Zach Pop.

 

That makes you a massive guy then. It doesn't take anything away from Pop being a solid build.

[Terminator]

Well I’m 5’11” 240lbs with an 800lb squat. I’m not worried about Zach Pop.

 

Gotta love these internet tough guys. Professional athlete Zach Pop would throw a 90 mph haymaker at your round fat head and would damn near knock it off what I can only assume is a set of shoulders (I'm assuming you have no neck).

[John_Havok]

Gotta love these internet tough guys. Professional athlete Zach Pop would throw a 90 mph haymaker at your round fat head and would damn near knock it off what I can only assume is a set of shoulders (I'm assuming you have no neck).

 

Not if i was in the box, I'd catch the ball in my teeth since my jaw is so strong and manly, spit the ball back at him and tell him to throw it again.

[wilko]

Not if i was in the box, I'd catch the ball in my teeth since my jaw is so strong and manly, spit the ball back at him and tell him to throw it again.

 

[Laika]

[Terminator]

 

So he's like Tony Gwynn only he can play SS?

[BTS]

I don't see why media folks are acting like Clement might not make the team.

 

Espinal optioned. Schneider 2B most days. Bench of:

 

Jansen/Kirk

Clement

Biggio

Vogelbach/Votto

 

Seems very obviously to be the proper roster construction

[John_Havok]

I don't see why media folks are acting like Clement might not make the team.

 

Espinal optioned. Schneider 2B most days. Bench of:

 

Jansen/Kirk

Clement

Biggio

Vogelbach/Votto

 

Seems very obviously to be the proper roster construction

 

Yeah. I like Clement as a bench guy, i think the only way he doesn't make the team is if some other team comes knocking and offers a deal that cant be turned down. No idea what that deal would be... but if he gets DFA he's definitely getting claimed and traded either way.

 

As for the bat, he's basically Bichette with far less power threat. Like Bichette-lite-lite. He'll ride the babip roller coaster

[Laika]

Clement might have an underrated crack at being the primary 3B, if IKF falters.

 

ZiPS:

 

Clement, 1.4 WAR in 361 PA

IKF, 0.7 WAR in 480 PA (probably has his defense underrated)

Espinal, 1.3 WAR in 357 PA

 

Steamer600

 

Espinal, 1.9 war

IKF, 1.6 war

Clement, 1.5 war

 

He truly has as good a shot as anyone. And he is the only one of the three with a legit up arrow, by that I mean he looked better recently and there may be reason to believe he made positive changes to his game in 2023 that will help him overperform projections.

 

IKF = the defensive specialist play

Clement = the offensive sleeper play

Espinal = the uhhhhhhh he was an all star two years ago play

[deanmike]

I don't see why media folks are acting like Clement might not make the team.

 

Espinal optioned. Schneider 2B most days. Bench of:

 

Jansen/Kirk

Clement

Biggio

Vogelbach/Votto

 

Seems very obviously to be the proper roster construction

Agreed that this is the proper roster construction.

 

My guess is the org views Espinal like a pseudo-vet even though he has options, as an arb player making 7 figures. Under Shatkins FO Jays have rarely optioned fringe guys like Espinal if they are arb players making a 7 figure salary. I guess since Pearson's arb salary is only 60k higher than league minimum it doesn't count?

[G-Snarls]

I don't see why media folks are acting like Clement might not make the team.

 

Espinal optioned. Schneider 2B most days. Bench of:

 

Jansen/Kirk

Clement

Biggio

Vogelbach/Votto

 

Seems very obviously to be the proper roster construction

 

Seems like best use of what we've not, yes

[wamco]

I’d prefer to swap out vogelbach for a bat first OF, preferably one that can maul LHP.

[wamco]

Votto is a long term play, ready to take over after vlad contract runs out

[Terminator]

I don't see why media folks are acting like Clement might not make the team.

 

Espinal optioned. Schneider 2B most days. Bench of:

 

Jansen/Kirk

Clement

Biggio

Vogelbach/Votto

 

Seems very obviously to be the proper roster construction

 

Then in AAA we have various 1.5 WAR options like Espinal, Horwitz, and Lukes.

 

To go with AAA prospects ranging from 50 FV (Orelvis) to 45 FV (Barger, Jimenez) to 40 FV (Horwitz, Roden, Parmesani). Pretty decent depth.

[deanmike]

Maybe the Espinal for Austin Slater trade base that's been rumoured all offseason still ends up happening, but the Jays and/or Giants are waiting until the end of ST to pull the trigger just in case injuries open up a need to keep the player around.

 

Getting Slater for Espinal would solve the Vogelbach/Clement/Espinal/Schneider bench crunch because Espinal being gone would free the Jays of having to give him pseudo-vet treatment because he's a 7 figure salary arb player, and then Schneider can start the season in Buffalo (not that I think he deserves to, just seems to be heading that way) while Slater is the lefty mashing 4th OF.

 

C Jansen/Kirk

1B Vlad

2B Biggio/Clement

3B IKF/Clement/Turner (1-2 days a week per the team)

SS Bichette

LF Varsho/Slater

CF Kiermaier/Varsho

RF Springer

DH Turner/Vogelbach

[Terminator]

Maybe the Espinal for Austin Slater trade base that's been rumoured all offseason still ends up happening, but the Jays and/or Giants are waiting until the end of ST to pull the trigger just in case injuries open up a need to keep the player around.

 

Getting Slater for Espinal would solve the Vogelbach/Clement/Espinal/Schneider bench crunch because Espinal being gone would free the Jays of having to give him pseudo-vet treatment because he's a 7 figure salary arb player, and then Schneider can start the season in Buffalo (not that I think he deserves to, just seems to be heading that way) while Slater is the lefty mashing 4th OF.

 

C Jansen/Kirk

1B Vlad

2B Biggio/Clement

3B IKF/Clement/Turner (1-2 days a week per the team)

SS Bichette

LF Varsho/Slater

CF Kiermaier/Varsho

RF Springer

DH Turner/Vogelbach

 

No Votto and no Schneider...that roster is going to get an F from me Dean

[John_Havok]

No Votto and no Schneider...that roster is going to get an F from me Dean

 

That and there's been 0 trade rumours involving Slater and Espinal other than random Jays bloggers making up trade targets

[Pendleton]

[deanmike]

No Votto and no Schneider...that roster is going to get an F from me Dean

 

Your critique is going to get an F from me as well Sherminator. If it were up to me, Schneider would obviously make the team.

 

And Votto fully said he's starting the season in Buffalo so not sure how Votto even factored into my grade when I posted a mock start-of-season roster.