Red Sox @ Red Jays GDT (3/3) GIGA CHAD GAUSMAN

[Carlos Danger]

Moreno sucks?

 

He's literally a kid who is already a top three defender at his position. Sure he hits for no power, but has more than decent bat to ball skills and should hover consistently in the .270 /. 330 range while not being a plug on the bases. If I had to choose between Varsho and Moreno straight up, I'm keeping Moreno and would have traded Kirk.

 

They would have traded Kirk if they could have. They were not getting s*** for him or Jansen. Having slappy behind the plate would not make a difference in where the TEAM is at right now.

[Terminator]

I wonder how unlucky he is getting, his xWOBA is in line with 2021, and top 3% in the league. His other stats are also in line with his 2021 season, or slightly better in some cases we desperately need these results to develop in the second half.

 

A lot of it is luck as his underlying numbers are great.

 

But his problem is that he has a career low pull rate, as well as a career low oppo rate. This has lead to his Straight % being a career high BY FAR. 43.9% of his batted balls are going to the middle of the field and it's zapping his power. In 2021 his Straight% was just 35.9%.

 

This seems to match the eye test too. In Game 1 of this series he hit a 405 ball to dead center for a flyout. They play him so deep too. If you look at his hit chart he has zero hits to deep center. They just play the wall so even when he's crushing balls 380+ they just die in centerfield for fly outs.

 

He needs to have two approaches. Try to pull the ball into the seats until he gets two strikes. Then he can open up and try to simply get some wood on the ball. Bo is the master at this. But with Vlad it's like he's taking a two strike approach into the beginning of the AB with him.

[Stangstag]

Moreno sucks?

 

He's literally a kid who is already a top three defender at his position. Sure he hits for no power, but has more than decent bat to ball skills and should hover consistently in the .270 /. 330 range while not being a plug on the bases. If I had to choose between Varsho and Moreno straight up, I'm keeping Moreno and would have traded Kirk.

 

Kirk is a far better hitter than Moreno, he’s shown that he’s a great hitter. He’s just not hitting much this year and neither is Varsho, which is why the trade looks bad. If Kirk and Varsho are both hitting like they did in 2022 then people wouldn’t be complaining.

[gruber92]

Yeah, I would say he sucks and would literally not help this team in anyway. Going forward could he be good? obviously possible hes still a premium prospect but if you're going to give him that luxury you have to give it to Varsho too.

 

At least you have a bit of a bigger sample in the Majors with Varsho. Having a premium defending athletic catcher valuable.

[bones10]

A lot of it is luck as his underlying numbers are great.

 

But his problem is that he has a career low pull rate, as well as a career low oppo rate. This has lead to his Straight % being a career high BY FAR. 43.9% of his batted balls are going to the middle of the field and it's zapping his power. In 2021 his Straight% was just 35.9%.

 

This seems to match the eye test too. In Game 1 of this series he hit a 405 ball to dead center for a flyout. They play him so deep too. If you look at his hit chart he has zero hits to deep center. They just play the wall so even when he's crushing balls 380+ they just die in centerfield for fly outs.

 

He needs to have two approaches. Try to pull the ball into the seats until he gets two strikes. Then he can open up and try to simply get some wood on the ball. Bo is the master at this. But with Vlad it's like he's taking a two strike approach into the beginning of the AB with him.

 

where are you getting straight%? Im seeing 38.9 CENT% on fangraphs, which is 3% higher than 21'

[gruber92]

Kirk is a far better hitter than Moreno, he’s shown that he’s a great hitter. He’s just not hitting much this year and neither is Varsho, which is why the trade looks bad. If Kirk and Varsho are both hitting like they did in 2022 then people wouldn’t be complaining.

 

You can't count on Kirk long term with his body type. Yeah I'd say Kirk has shown to be the better hitter, but the difference is negligible to the point where you keep the more athletic better defender.

[Stangstag]

A lot of it is luck as his underlying numbers are great.

 

But his problem is that he has a career low pull rate, as well as a career low oppo rate. This has lead to his Straight % being a career high BY FAR. 43.9% of his batted balls are going to the middle of the field and it's zapping his power. In 2021 his Straight% was just 35.9%.

 

This seems to match the eye test too. In Game 1 of this series he hit a 405 ball to dead center for a flyout. They play him so deep too. If you look at his hit chart he has zero hits to deep center. They just play the wall so even when he's crushing balls 380+ they just die in centerfield for fly outs.

 

He needs to have two approaches. Try to pull the ball into the seats until he gets two strikes. Then he can open up and try to simply get some wood on the ball. Bo is the master at this. But with Vlad it's like he's taking a two strike approach into the beginning of the AB with him.

 

Yet Guillermo Martinez and others on the coaching staff will continue to tell him “hit the ball up the middle, good things will happen”

[Stangstag]

You can't count on Kirk long term with his body type. Yeah I'd say Kirk has shown to be the better hitter, but the difference is negligible to the point where you keep the more athletic better defender.

 

That’s fine, we don’t need to count on Kirk long term. Ride out his rookie contract and don’t extend him. But anyways he’s just not hitting like his previous years.

[gruber92]

They would have traded Kirk if they could have. They were not getting s*** for him or Jansen. Having slappy behind the plate would not make a difference in where the TEAM is at right now.

 

I understand that Arizona probably didn't want Kirk or Jansen opposed to Moreno. Can you blame them? Also, Ross could have explored other avenues which included Kirk in a trade for a left handed bat that played decent defence, or signed a LHH outfielder and trade Kirk for something else. Could have probably landed a quality late inning arm for him plus a spect. Management not taking Kirk’s body type into consideration is a big L.

[Stangstag]

I understand that Arizona probably didn't want Kirk or Jansen opposed to Moreno. Can you blame them? Also, Ross could have explored other avenues which included Kirk in a trade for a left handed bat that played decent defence, or signed a LHH outfielder and trade Kirk for something else. Could have probably landed a quality late inning arm for him plus a spect. Management not taking Kirk’s body type into consideration is a big L.

 

Why are you assuming they didn’t??? Varsho isn’t exactly the “sexy” LHB option everyone was hoping for, he was probably the best they could get.

 

I believe they were going hard after Nimmo. If they signed him then the Moreno trade likely never happens

[Spanky99]

A lot of it is luck as his underlying numbers are great.

 

But his problem is that he has a career low pull rate, as well as a career low oppo rate. This has lead to his Straight % being a career high BY FAR. 43.9% of his batted balls are going to the middle of the field and it's zapping his power. In 2021 his Straight% was just 35.9%.

 

This seems to match the eye test too. In Game 1 of this series he hit a 405 ball to dead center for a flyout. They play him so deep too. If you look at his hit chart he has zero hits to deep center. They just play the wall so even when he's crushing balls 380+ they just die in centerfield for fly outs.

 

He needs to have two approaches. Try to pull the ball into the seats until he gets two strikes. Then he can open up and try to simply get some wood on the ball. Bo is the master at this. But with Vlad it's like he's taking a two strike approach into the beginning of the AB with him.

 

I don't think it's zapping power as he hits the ball hard AF. I see a big 2nd half.

[Spanky99]

You can't count on Kirk long term with his body type. Yeah I'd say Kirk has shown to be the better hitter, but the difference is negligible to the point where you keep the more athletic better defender.

 

And move Kirk for who? You think they didn't explore all 3 guys and not extrapolate value on the offers?

[Spanky99]

I understand that Arizona probably didn't want Kirk or Jansen opposed to Moreno. Can you blame them? Also, Ross could have explored other avenues which included Kirk in a trade for a left handed bat that played decent defence, or signed a LHH outfielder and trade Kirk for something else. Could have probably landed a quality late inning arm for him plus a spect. Management not taking Kirk’s body type into consideration is a big L.

 

lol... oh man... lmfao

 

You're high on the Turkish hash, man. lol

[Terminator]

where are you getting straight%? Im seeing 38.9 CENT% on fangraphs, which is 3% higher than 21'

 

Statcast

[DigitalRock]

Gruber is one of those guys who think the gm doesn’t look at any options except one. Gruber is dum

[Stangstag]

Gruber is one of those guys who think the gm doesn’t look at any options except one. Gruber is dum

 

Obviously Atkins called the Dbacks first, asked who they wanted to trade and who they wanted in return, and accepted on the spot

[BlueBaller]

If we stay patient and hold out long enough, Vlad will eventually be more than an .800 ops that he's show over 1500 abs.

[glory]

If Vlad is a 2 WAR player instead of a 5-6 WAR player, then I’m not sure the ceiling for this team is that high.

[Spanky99]

If Vlad is a 2 WAR player instead of a 5-6 WAR player, then I’m not sure the ceiling for this team is that high.

 

Tips.

[connorp]

Tips.

 

We know you’re the Yoda of all things baseball and Dylan Mulvaney.

No need to be condescending about it. The guy was just making a point. Vlad or bust

[Spanky99]

We know you’re the Yoda of all things baseball and Dylan Mulvaney.

No need to be condescending about it. The guy was just making a point. Vlad or bust

 

Go parade somewhere else meat, unless there's a month for Bald 3 foot invalids.

Edited July 3, 2023 by Spanky99

[BlueBaller]

We know you’re the Yoda of all things baseball and Dylan Mulvaney.

No need to be condescending about it. The guy was just making a point. Vlad or bust

 

Biggest dickhead on this board. He pays the host, so he doesn't get banned for running away all the newbies.

[Stangstag]

Biggest dickhead on this board. He pays the host, so he doesn't get banned for running away all the newbies.

 

Shots fired

[Stottlemyres_Bloody_Chin]

lol... oh man... lmfao

 

You're high on the Turkish hash, man. lol

 

Spanky reported for homerism and stupidity

[Spanky99]

Shots fired

 

lol... iggy.

[Spanky99]

We know you’re the Yoda of all things baseball and Dylan Mulvaney.

No need to be condescending about it. The guy was just making a point. Vlad or bust

 

Wow!!!

[Spanky99]

SB_Tampon quoting me, cute, another iggy.

[Carlos Danger]

I understand that Arizona probably didn't want Kirk or Jansen opposed to Moreno. Can you blame them? Also, Ross could have explored other avenues which included Kirk in a trade for a left handed bat that played decent defence, or signed a LHH outfielder and trade Kirk for something else. Could have probably landed a quality late inning arm for him plus a spect. Management not taking Kirk’s body type into consideration is a big L.

 

Dude, I was worried, am worried about Kirk’s body type for over two years now. You don’t think the other GMs who are much more savvy then some Dude on a message board were also worried about the 5 pin bowling ball turning into a 10 pin and that effecting Kirk’s trade value..???

Edited July 3, 2023 by Carlos Danger

[gruber92]

Ross had a window of opportunity to trade Kirk when his value was high after making the ASG.

 

Spanky is now officially in full blown clown mode.

[Spanky99]

Ross had a window of opportunity to trade Kirk when his value was high after making the ASG.

 

Spanky is now officially in full blown clown mode.

 

Look in a mirror douche, you're as dumb as a f***ing stump, Kelly.