GDT: Toronto Blow Jays @ Tampa Bay Unbeatables

[Terminator]

Literally nobody in the minors right now that could help us.

 

Bowden Francis just got back from injury. He probably needs another week at least but I think he's probably next up.

[Spanky99]

Some s***** defense has made Manoah look worse than he is today.

 

And again, Chappy has to catch that. Woof!

[Spanky99]

Bowden Francis just got back from injury. He probably needs another week at least but I think he's probably next up.

 

Term is right.

[Laika]

just f***ing demote him

 

call up Kloffenstein

[John_Havok]

Manoah has to go down. They have to pull the plug at this point. They just cannot keep him up when he's pitching like this.

[TorontonianJD]

And again, Chappy has to catch that. Woof!

 

I don’t know. The throw by Kirk was a bit offline.

[Spanky99]

5 runs on 3 hits, they're just pressuring the D and running all over Manoah. Welp...

[John_Havok]

Tampa is the luckiest team on earth too... IF is in and he hits hit so s*****...it's just weak enough to have no play at the plate.

 

Someone in Tampa sold their soul.

[Spanky99]

I don’t know. The throw by Kirk was a bit offline.

 

Still has to be caught. Kirk has no chance, Manoah can't hold them on.

[Orgfiller]

5 runs on 3 hits, they're just pressuring the D and running all over Manoah. Welp...

 

The 5 walks don't help also, lol.

[Spanky99]

The 5 walks don't help also, lol.

 

No doubt, he's been terrible. We have no chance with this type of pitching.

[Blue Jays Lurker 2023]

Hello.

 

My first post .

 

This has been a frustrating and disappointing season for our beloved Blue Jays.

 

My two cents:

1. The trade for Varsho in exchange for Gurriel who was one of our best clutch player plus a very young Moreno was a significant blunder move by Atkins. The intention was good to acquire a left handed batter but someone whose career batting average is .220-.230 is difficult to accept especially giving up two positional players with better upsides.

 

2. Atkins did not address the bullpen this offseason after what took place in the playoffs against Seattle. Yimi Garcia is a weak set up man. Cimber has a very weak arm. Romano is not a closer.

 

3. It maybe minor but Having to still carry an ineffective Biggio who totally underwhelms at both ends of the field is another reason why this team is struggling. Worse thing is Schneider continue to use him boggles my mind.

 

4. Another reason why our pitchers are getting picked off especially Manoah is because Kirk continue to tip pitches. He just don’t know how to adjust and help the PITCHERS. Behind the plate, he is just horrendous. He has not shown a competitive nature (example of a good catcher is Adler Rutschman). He has not established chemistry with the pitchers, zero leadership skills. A very bland player. He is slow because of his weight. They should have traded him last season when his value was at its highest.

 

5. The hitting coach disappoints.

 

6. Chapman had a good April but from that point, it has gone downhill. They should stop being too over reliant with technology. Watching him after every bat, countless checking of the IPad screws up his rhythm. Gone were the days when batters just have the confidence with their feel of the game. Delgado, Fernandez, Batista, Encarnacion relied on their natural talents.

 

6. For a team with aspirations to compete for a championship. Schneider should not be the manager.

 

7. They have not filled the farm.

 

But the icing on the cake is Ross Atkins. He has completely failed this franchise.

[Terminator]

This is hard to watch.

 

-Fat Manoah deliberately letting the the clock dwindle down to 1 to try and labor through innings.

-He's not even trying to watch the baserunners who are getting massive jumps.

-His stuff is completely gone so even after he gets 0-2 counts he's struggling to put hitters away.

-5 Ks but only bc the stuff is so bad he's barely in the zone and has also issued 5 walks.

-God awful defense behind him.

[Spanky99]

Hello.

 

My first post .

 

This has been a frustrating and disappointing season for our beloved Blue Jays.

 

My two cents:

1. The trade for Varsho in exchange for Gurriel who was one of our best clutch player plus a very young Moreno was a significant blunder move by Atkins. The intention was good to acquire a left handed batter but someone whose career batting average is .220-.230 is difficult to accept especially giving up two positional players with better upsides.

 

2. Atkins did not address the bullpen this offseason after what took place in the playoffs against Seattle. Yimi Garcia is a weak set up man. Cimber has a very weak arm. Romano is not a closer.

 

3. It maybe minor but Having to still carry an ineffective Biggio who totally underwhelms at both ends of the field is another reason why this team is struggling. Worse thing is Schneider continue to use him boggles my mind.

 

4. Another reason why our pitchers are getting picked off especially Manoah is because Kirk continue to tip pitches. He just don’t know how to adjust and help the PITCHERS. Behind the plate, he is just horrendous. He has not shown a competitive nature (example of a good catcher is Adler Rutschman). He has not established chemistry with the pitchers, zero leadership skills. A very bland player. He is slow because of his weight. They should have traded him last season when his value was at its highest.

 

5. The hitting coach disappoints.

 

6. Chapman had a good April but from that point, it has gone downhill. They should stop being too over reliant with technology. Watching him after every bat, countless checking of the IPad screws up his rhythm. Gone were the days when batters just have the confidence with their feel of the game. Delgado, Fernandez, Batista, Encarnacion relied on their natural talents.

 

6. For a team with aspirations to compete for a championship. Schneider should not be the manager.

 

7. They have not filled the farm.

 

But the icing on the cake is Ross Atkins. He has completely failed this franchise.

 

This is hard to watch.

 

-Fat Manoah deliberately letting the the clock dwindle down to 1 to try and labor through innings.

-He's not even trying to watch the baserunners who are getting massive jumps.

-His stuff is completely gone so even after he gets 0-2 counts he's struggling to put hitters away.

-5 Ks but only bc the stuff is so bad he's barely in the zone and has also issued 5 walks.

-God awful defense behind him.

 

Lists... Everywhere!

[Jonn]

Yea its time to pull the plug on Manoah. You see if he can figure it out again in Buffalo. But he’s likely done.

[Laika]

Hello.

 

My first post .

 

This has been a frustrating and disappointing season for our beloved Blue Jays.

 

My two cents:

1. The trade for Varsho in exchange for Gurriel who was one of our best clutch player plus a very young Moreno was a significant blunder move by Atkins. The intention was good to acquire a left handed batter but someone whose career batting average is .220-.230 is difficult to accept especially giving up two positional players with better upsides.

 

2. Atkins did not address the bullpen this offseason after what took place in the playoffs against Seattle. Yimi Garcia is a weak set up man. Cimber has a very weak arm. Romano is not a closer.

 

3. It maybe minor but Having to still carry an ineffective Biggio who totally underwhelms at both ends of the field is another reason why this team is struggling. Worse thing is Schneider continue to use him boggles my mind.

 

4. Another reason why our pitchers are getting picked off especially Manoah is because Kirk continue to tip pitches. He just don’t know how to adjust and help the PITCHERS. Behind the plate, he is just horrendous. He has not shown a competitive nature (example of a good catcher is Adler Rutschman). He has not established chemistry with the pitchers, zero leadership skills. A very bland player. He is slow because of his weight. They should have traded him last season when his value was at its highest.

 

5. The hitting coach disappoints.

 

6. Chapman had a good April but from that point, it has gone downhill. They should stop being too over reliant with technology. Watching him after every bat, countless checking of the IPad screws up his rhythm. Gone were the days when batters just have the confidence with their feel of the game. Delgado, Fernandez, Batista, Encarnacion relied on their natural talents.

 

6. For a team with aspirations to compete for a championship. Schneider should not be the manager.

 

7. They have not filled the farm.

 

But the icing on the cake is Ross Atkins. He has completely failed this franchise.

 

Relax

[John_Havok]

team swinging at everyone nowhere near the zone isnt helping either.

[Orgfiller]

f***ing hell, not a single f***ing line drive that can find a hole.

[Spanky99]

team swinging at everyone nowhere near the zone isnt helping either.

 

Yeah, Eflin doesn't look sharp, but we've had zero luck thus far on contact.

[TorontonianJD]

Hello.

 

My first post .

 

This has been a frustrating and disappointing season for our beloved Blue Jays.

 

My two cents:

1. The trade for Varsho in exchange for Gurriel who was one of our best clutch player plus a very young Moreno was a significant blunder move by Atkins. The intention was good to acquire a left handed batter but someone whose career batting average is .220-.230 is difficult to accept especially giving up two positional players with better upsides.

 

2. Atkins did not address the bullpen this offseason after what took place in the playoffs against Seattle. Yimi Garcia is a weak set up man. Cimber has a very weak arm. Romano is not a closer.

 

3. It maybe minor but Having to still carry an ineffective Biggio who totally underwhelms at both ends of the field is another reason why this team is struggling. Worse thing is Schneider continue to use him boggles my mind.

 

4. Another reason why our pitchers are getting picked off especially Manoah is because Kirk continue to tip pitches. He just don’t know how to adjust and help the PITCHERS. Behind the plate, he is just horrendous. He has not shown a competitive nature (example of a good catcher is Adler Rutschman). He has not established chemistry with the pitchers, zero leadership skills. A very bland player. He is slow because of his weight. They should have traded him last season when his value was at its highest.

 

5. The hitting coach disappoints.

 

6. Chapman had a good April but from that point, it has gone downhill. They should stop being too over reliant with technology. Watching him after every bat, countless checking of the IPad screws up his rhythm. Gone were the days when batters just have the confidence with their feel of the game. Delgado, Fernandez, Batista, Encarnacion relied on their natural talents.

 

6. For a team with aspirations to compete for a championship. Schneider should not be the manager.

 

7. They have not filled the farm.

 

But the icing on the cake is Ross Atkins. He has completely failed this franchise.

 

Re 1. Just how bad was Gueriel in LF? Seems to me like the FO was intent on upgrading the defence but the cost has been huge. Too huge clearly.

 

Re 2. I think Atkins’s thinks he upgraded the bullpen by trading for Swanson. Not a great trade IMO.

 

Re Manoah…what are the chances he was using the sticky stuff the last couple seasons?

[Spanky99]

Yea its time to pull the plug on Manoah. You see if he can figure it out again in Buffalo. But he’s likely done.

 

Easy, lol... done? Is quite the statement.

[TorontonianJD]

One thing I’ve been wondering about these days is how guys like Bassitt and Gausman feel about what’s transpiring here. They signed thinking they were coming to a contender. It’s been a total disaster this season.

 

Atkins MUST go.

[jerb]

 

Ethan Diamandas

@EthanDiamandas

 

After five more walks today, #BlueJays starter Alek Manoah leads all qualified starters with 6.4 BB/9.

 

Brad Keller was in first place (8.3 BB/9) but recently went on the IL.

[Spanky99]

Hello.

 

My first post .

 

This has been a frustrating and disappointing season for our beloved Blue Jays.

 

My two cents:

1. The trade for Varsho in exchange for Gurriel who was one of our best clutch player plus a very young Moreno was a significant blunder move by Atkins. The intention was good to acquire a left handed batter but someone whose career batting average is .220-.230 is difficult to accept especially giving up two positional players with better upsides.

 

2. Atkins did not address the bullpen this offseason after what took place in the playoffs against Seattle. Yimi Garcia is a weak set up man. Cimber has a very weak arm. Romano is not a closer.

 

3. It maybe minor but Having to still carry an ineffective Biggio who totally underwhelms at both ends of the field is another reason why this team is struggling. Worse thing is Schneider continue to use him boggles my mind.

 

4. Another reason why our pitchers are getting picked off especially Manoah is because Kirk continue to tip pitches. He just don’t know how to adjust and help the PITCHERS. Behind the plate, he is just horrendous. He has not shown a competitive nature (example of a good catcher is Adler Rutschman). He has not established chemistry with the pitchers, zero leadership skills. A very bland player. He is slow because of his weight. They should have traded him last season when his value was at its highest.

 

5. The hitting coach disappoints.

 

6. Chapman had a good April but from that point, it has gone downhill. They should stop being too over reliant with technology. Watching him after every bat, countless checking of the IPad screws up his rhythm. Gone were the days when batters just have the confidence with their feel of the game. Delgado, Fernandez, Batista, Encarnacion relied on their natural talents.

 

6. For a team with aspirations to compete for a championship. Schneider should not be the manager.

 

7. They have not filled the farm.

 

But the icing on the cake is Ross Atkins. He has completely failed this franchise.

 

Re 1. Just how bad was Gueriel in LF? Seems to me like the FO was intent on upgrading the defence but the cost has been huge. Too huge clearly.

 

Re 2. I think Atkins’s thinks he upgraded the bullpen by trading for Swanson. Not a great trade IMO.

 

Re Manoah…what are the chances he was using the sticky stuff the last couple seasons?

 

Please stop, my eyes are bleeding.

[John_Havok]

Re 1. Just how bad was Gueriel in LF? Seems to me like the FO was intent on upgrading the defence but the cost has been huge. Too huge clearly.

 

Re 2. I think Atkins’s thinks he upgraded the bullpen by trading for Swanson. Not a great trade IMO.

 

Re Manoah…what are the chances he was using the sticky stuff the last couple seasons?

 

Gurriel was terrible in the OF. Legit awful. Good arm, terrible jumps, terrible routes.

 

Bullpen is decidedly better in all aspects than last season, theyre just getting run into the ground from pitching way too much.

 

Manoah's spin rates are actually about the same or higher than last year. Sticky stuff is not a question

[jerb]

 

Blake Murphy

@BlakeMurphyODC

 

Manoah threw 44 strikes to 43 balls.

 

Only 6 pitchers have had that poor a strike rate with 85+ pitches this year.

 

Manoah (twice)

Bumgarner (DFA)

Keller (IL)

Butto (AAA)

Cabrera

Snell

[Terminator]

just f***ing demote him

 

call up Kloffenstein

 

Yeah Kloff would be an aggressive callup but should be considered.

 

I think they should demote Manoah after the game no matter who they call up. For starters, his performance warrants it and whatever AAA slop that replaces him won't be any worse. They can call up Kloff or just use some slop like Zach Thompson until Francis is ready.

 

Second, this play is just completely unacceptable and some changes need to be made. Sloppy base running, lethargic defense, garbage ABs, etc. The division has basically slipped away and it's going to be a dogfight to make the WC now in what looks like a pretty competitive year for it with the AL West being more competitive.

 

So we need to make some changes. Manoah should be demoted, the hitting coach should get canned (it's not his fault but heads should roll), and they should also consider doing something like demoting Biggio and calling up Horwitz (no idea where he plays).

[Blue Jays Lurker 2023]

Re 1. Just how bad was Gueriel in LF? Seems to me like the FO was intent on upgrading the defence but the cost has been huge. Too huge clearly.

 

Re 2. I think Atkins’s thinks he upgraded the bullpen by trading for Swanson. Not a great trade IMO.

 

Re Manoah…what are the chances he was using the sticky stuff the last couple seasons?

 

If Atkins intention was to improve the outfield defense and to get a left handed batter, giving up Gurriel but most especially a very young Moreno was not the best way to go. They could have done better than a career .220 batter in Varsho.

[Orgfiller]

Brooks Raley is the Ron Washington first base meme personified. "It's incredibly hard". He looks hopeless out there.

[John_Havok]

Again.... just no luck. Both grounders bobbled by the 1b... just not enough to get on base. This is comedy