Baserunning 2023

[G-Snarls]

Stealing bases could be big this year

 

1B and 2B closer together because the bags are bigger

Pitcher limited on throws to first

 

We have the potential to up the running game significantly

 

Springer

Bichette

Varsho

Merrifield (SB leader in the recent past)

Keirmeier

 

All legit SB threats

 

Do we think Schneider will be big on amping up the running game?

[John_Havok]

Stealing bases could be big this year

 

1B and 2B closer together because the bags are bigger

Pitcher limited on throws to first

 

We have the potential to up the running game significantly

 

Springer

Bichette

Varsho

Merrifield (SB leader in the recent past)

Keirmeier

 

All legit SB threats

 

Do we think Schneider will be big on amping up the running game?

 

I think he will be more aggressive in spring training for sure to get a feel for how the brains his players work with the new rules and info and overall we'll probably see the attempts go up, but I dont think it will be like a track meet or anything out there.

[Ehjays]

Good point, Im sure that was part of the idea when they obtained Merrifield. But where do our catchers figure in on throwing out runners.

[John_Havok]

Good point, Im sure that was part of the idea when they obtained Merrifield. But where do our catchers figure in on throwing out runners.

 

That's more the part I'm worried about. The Jays pitchers aren't exactly known for being quick to the plate.

[wilko]

They will probably be feeling it out during spring training like most teams I would assume. Having some extra speed in the lineup doesn't hurt though. Merrifield only stole 1 base with the Jays last year... kinda strange considering he has some wheels.

[TheHurl]

The new rules will likely hurt when Gausman and Mitch White. I think they have the worst CS percentage among Jays starters.

[connorp]

What’s the rule anyway? How many throws to 1st? And after the last one, the runner gets to lead X amount I guess?

[G-Snarls]

What’s the rule anyway? How many throws to 1st? And after the last one, the run

ner gets to lead X amount I guess?

 

ESPN

 

The new rule: Pickoffs are now considered one version of "disengagements," which consist of any time that the pitcher makes a pickoff attempt, fakes a pickoff, or steps off the rubber, as well as when the defense requests time. Pitchers are allowed two disengagements per plate appearance without penalty.

 

How it will be enforced: After a third step-off, the pitcher will be charged with a balk, unless at least one offensive player advances a base

[John_Havok]

ESPN

 

The new rule: Pickoffs are now considered one version of "disengagements," which consist of any time that the pitcher makes a pickoff attempt, fakes a pickoff, or steps off the rubber, as well as when the defense requests time. Pitchers are allowed two disengagements per plate appearance without penalty.

 

How it will be enforced: After a third step-off, the pitcher will be charged with a balk, unless at least one offensive player advances a base

 

Slight addition to that, anytime a baserunner advances during a plate appearance, the # of disengagements resets. So, say the pitcher has already thrown to first once, and stepped off once, if the runner steals a base, the pitcher gets 2 more disengagements again.

[Brownie19]

ESPN

 

The new rule: Pickoffs are now considered one version of "disengagements," which consist of any time that the pitcher makes a pickoff attempt, fakes a pickoff, or steps off the rubber, as well as when the defense requests time. Pitchers are allowed two disengagements per plate appearance without penalty.

 

How it will be enforced: After a third step-off, the pitcher will be charged with a balk, unless at least one offensive player advances a base

 

Oh wow - I didn't know it was any 2 disengagements. f*** me. I had thought it was just 2 pick off moves max...I mean sometimes you come set and something doesn't feel right. You've got an itch or the grip doesn't feel good or you just have a negative thought about throwing that pitch (sometimes you see catchers call time for the same reason).

 

So after 2 disengagements - will the runner simply take a f***ing massive lead (or could just walk to 2nd base) because the pitcher can't do anything except throw a pitch? I think you could see base runners trying to force throws to 1st base to use up the disengagements to gain advantages.

[Spanky99]

Oh wow - I didn't know it was any 2 disengagements. f*** me. I had thought it was just 2 pick off moves max...I mean sometimes you come set and something doesn't feel right. You've got an itch or the grip doesn't feel good or you just have a negative thought about throwing that pitch (sometimes you see catchers call time for the same reason).

 

So after 2 disengagements - will the runner simply take a f***ing massive lead (or could just walk to 2nd base) because the pitcher can't do anything except throw a pitch? I think you could see base runners trying to force throws to 1st base to use up the disengagements to gain advantages.

 

We'll see in a couple weeks, those are legit questions.

[John_Havok]

Oh wow - I didn't know it was any 2 disengagements. f*** me. I had thought it was just 2 pick off moves max...I mean sometimes you come set and something doesn't feel right. You've got an itch or the grip doesn't feel good or you just have a negative thought about throwing that pitch (sometimes you see catchers call time for the same reason).

 

So after 2 disengagements - will the runner simply take a f***ing massive lead (or could just walk to 2nd base) because the pitcher can't do anything except throw a pitch? I think you could see base runners trying to force throws to 1st base to use up the disengagements to gain advantages.

 

It will be an interesting dynamic to say the least and watching how this evolves to impact the game will be interesting.

[Brownie19]

I mean after 2 disengagements - you're f***ed aren't you?

 

I guess what you'd do is get on the mound and throw a quick pitch as fast as you could to avoid the runner getting a big lead? The devices in the caps will become important as the pitcher can get the sign without being on the rubber (as once on the rubber, the runner can take a huge lead or just cruise on to the next base). But f*** that's no way to pitch. Pitchers will simply avoid 2 disengagements at all costs. After the 1st disengagement, the runner is going to be doing anything they can to force a 2nd one (which could get kind of crazy if you have runners on 1st and 3rd - both of them f***ing around with massive leads trying to draw a throw or a step off).

 

I honestly think this might just remove pick offs altogether. I mean f*** it, they rarely work anyway.

 

I must say this seems pretty stupid unless I'm missing something - but I'm glad we have a number of good/fast baserunners this year.

[connorp]

I mean after 2 disengagements - you're f***ed aren't you?

 

I guess what you'd do is get on the mound and throw a quick pitch as fast as you could to avoid the runner getting a big lead? The devices in the caps will become important as the pitcher can get the sign without being on the rubber (as once on the rubber, the runner can take a huge lead or just cruise on to the next base). But f*** that's no way to pitch. Pitchers will simply avoid 2 disengagements at all costs. After the 1st disengagement, the runner is going to be doing anything they can to force a 2nd one (which could get kind of crazy if you have runners on 1st and 3rd - both of them f***ing around with massive leads trying to draw a throw or a step off).

 

I honestly think this might just remove pick offs altogether. I mean f*** it, they rarely work anyway.

 

I must say this seems pretty stupid unless I'm missing something - but I'm glad we have a number of good/fast baserunners this year.

 

The “missing something” is there’s no way they’re just going to let a runner jog to second base because there were two disengagements. I mean, as soon as the 1b throws it back to the pitcher, you’d go.

[connorp]

That would honestly negate the purpose as it would lead to more pitching changes late in the game especially,

[G-Snarls]

Oh wow - I didn't know it was any 2 disengagements. f*** me. I had thought it was just 2 pick off moves max...I mean sometimes you come set and something doesn't feel right. You've got an itch or the grip doesn't feel good or you just have a negative thought about throwing that pitch (sometimes you see catchers call time for the same reason).

 

So after 2 disengagements - will the runner simply take a f***ing massive lead (or could just walk to 2nd base) because the pitcher can't do anything except throw a pitch? I think you could see base runners trying to force throws to 1st base to use up the disengagements to gain advantages.

 

Plus only 15 seconds to throw a pitch

[Virgil_Hiltz]

Can't believe that about White, why steal on him when the odds are better with getting 3 hits in a row against him. 😉

[glory]

Excessive pick off attempts do slow the pace of the game down a lot, so I'm glad that has been capped, but man it's going to be strange to see how it looks in reality. Between that and the pitch clock, some pitchers are in for a rude awakening this season.

[Brownie19]

The “missing something” is there’s no way they’re just going to let a runner jog to second base because there were two disengagements. I mean, as soon as the 1b throws it back to the pitcher, you’d go.

 

So after the 2nd disengagement....as soon as the pitcher steps back on the rubber.....what prevents the runner from just taking off to the next base? The only thing the pitcher can do is throw a pitch. If they disengage again, it's a balk anyway. I mean surely to god someone thought this through?

[Krylian]

Pitchers are gonna get f***ed this season

[Laika]

So after the 2nd disengagement....as soon as the pitcher steps back on the rubber.....what prevents the runner from just taking off to the next base? The only thing the pitcher can do is throw a pitch. If they disengage again, it's a balk anyway. I mean surely to god someone thought this through?

 

You could just read the rule

 

"If the pitcher steps off or throws to the bases a third time, the runner automatically advances if the pickoff attempt is unsuccessful."

[Brownie19]

You could just read the rule

 

"If the pitcher steps off or throws to the bases a third time, the runner automatically advances if the pickoff attempt is unsuccessful."

 

for f*** sake - I was going off of G-Snarls post "How it will be enforced: After a third step-off, the pitcher will be charged with a balk, unless at least one offensive player advances a base"

 

I guess that solves the problem. You can attempt another pickoff, but if it doesn't work, the player gets the base. Move along folks - nothing to see here except some incomplete rules being posted

[Jimcanuck]

Possible we see more pickoffs, not less. In addition to more SBs.

 

Will make things more interesting, that's for sure

[Krylian]

So basically, don't walk batters, play good D, and don't give up hits and it'll be fine.

[G-Snarls]

Pitchers are gonna get f***ed this season

 

Offense is going to be up

[connorp]

for f*** sake - I was going off of G-Snarls post "How it will be enforced: After a third step-off, the pitcher will be charged with a balk, unless at least one offensive player advances a base"

 

I guess that solves the problem. You can attempt another pickoff, but if it doesn't work, the player gets the base. Move along folks - nothing to see here except some incomplete rules being posted

 

Yeah, hearing it complete, it seems good for the game. Gets rid of throws over just for “You just got on base and I know you can steal, so I’ll toss it to 1st so you know I know”. Definitely should see some more action on the bases

[Spanky99]

Excessive pick off attempts do slow the pace of the game down a lot, so I'm glad that has been capped, but man it's going to be strange to see how it looks in reality. Between that and the pitch clock, some pitchers are in for a rude awakening this season.

 

This is not ideal.

[G-Snarls]

This is not ideal.

 

It *sounds* potentially problematic I agrree.

 

Though reporters who have watched the impact on minor league games where they've already implemented all of this overwhelmingly say it seems to work great.

[G-Snarls]

"here's what baseball with a pitch clock is really like"

 

Except it's 25 seconds not 15

 

[Terminator]

The new rules will likely hurt when Gausman and Mitch White. I think they have the worst CS percentage among Jays starters.

 

I'm not surprised with Gausman. Seems like he's always attacking down and his splitter is often in the dirt.