Jays signing Chad Green.

[Terminator]

So 3/27 is a mutual option? How can it be a Jay option if he can decline lol. If he’s healthy he’ll definitely decline you’d think and it’ll be the 2/21. Nice signing. I wouldn’t call him one of the best RP is baseball but he’s someone you can trust

 

It says "Jays option." He can't decline a team option. The "if decline" means if the Jays decline it.

[max silver]

So 3/27 is a mutual option? How can it be a Jay option if he can decline lol. If he’s healthy he’ll definitely decline you’d think and it’ll be the 2/21. Nice signing. I wouldn’t call him one of the best RP is baseball but he’s someone you can trust

 

The way I read the contract is that the 3 year/27 million dollar option is a club option. If the team declines then it moves onto the next step. Green gets a nice bit of security here, he can blow out his elbow again and have the team decline the 3 year option, and Green can trigger the 2 year contract option and still get paid for 2024 while he rehabs.

[connorp]

This is kind of hard to wrap your head around but if everything is declined it won't be the full 8.5M. Seems like that's the number if he exercises his club option next year.

 

But we will have the opportunity to exercise a 3 year option prior to him deciding on his option. But having the two year option as the fallback could force his hand on the 1 year option. But it's hard to say without knowing all the exact numbers.

 

Regardless, Fangraphs had him ranked as the #42 overall FA this offseason, even with his injury. Ahead of pitchers like Kenley Jansen, Zach Eflin, Kimbrel, etc. So this is a pretty significant signing.

 

I think the one year is for his security in case he gets/stays injured. If he’s looking good, Jays get him at 2/21. And the middle is 3/27

[Terminator]

This is a crazy deal lol

[connorp]

The way I read the contract is that the 3 year/27 million dollar option is a club option. If the team declines then it moves onto the next step. Green gets a nice bit of security here, he can blow out his elbow again and have the team decline the 3 year option, and Green can trigger the 2 year contract option and still get paid for 2024 while he rehabs.

 

I mean that’s what it says. But I still think my way of reading makes more sense. Idk

 

Edit: ok I’m coming around to the other view

[glory]

I've read that three times and still don't quite grasp it

 

I guess it plays out like this:

 

2023: Green gets $2.25m guaranteed.

 

After the season ends, the Jays get a team option for 3/27 that covers 2024-26.

 

If they decline that, then Green has a player option for 2024 at $6.25m.

 

If that's also declined, then the Jays get a 2/21 team option that covers 2024-25.

 

Pretty convoluted. I'd say the most likely scenario is the Jays turning down the 3/27 option and Green exercising the 2024 player option, but a lot will depend on how Green does in 2023, if he pitches at all. I would think a reliever would be more likely to contribute coming off TJS than a SP like Ryu, so it wouldn't shock me if he shows up in Aug/Sept.

[z3r0s]

this seems like a steal, but will depend on if the arm bounces back of course.

[Terminator]

I mean that’s what it says. But I still think my way of reading makes more sense. Idk

 

No I think the way it's written makes more sense than your interpretation where you turn the first team option into a mutual option for some unknown reason lol

[The Cats Ass]

I mean that’s what it says. But I still think my way of reading makes more sense. Idk

 

Edit: ok I’m coming around to the other view

 

I'm glad to see you're learning to read. We're all so proud of you.

[Jays24]

Because elite relievers who are healthy cost $$$$.

 

We are top 5 in payroll so money clearly isn't an issue for us. It's just that our front office doesn't believe in spending much on that area.

[connorp]

I'm glad to see you're learning to read. We're all so proud of you.

 

It’s ambiguous and if you’re a frequent reader, as I am since I don’t watch tv, you’d know online stuff is always filled with typos and things that don’t compute. So many times you have to bridge a gap. Sometimes you jump the gun

[The Cats Ass]

I can't really see a scenario where the Jays pick up the 2 year option instead of the 3 year option.

[Brownie19]

Dude, I love the signing. I was just mentioning how we only sign relievers who are either coming off major injury or have sucked badly the season before.

 

You mean like Yimi Garcia? Shut'er down.

[jerb]

[G-Snarls]

So 3/27 is a mutual option? How can it be a Jay option if he can decline lol. If he’s healthy he’ll definitely decline you’d think and it’ll be the 2/21. Nice signing. I wouldn’t call him one of the best RP is baseball but he’s someone you can trust

 

Chad Greene amongst all relief pitchers in baseball 2019-2021

 

25th in K rate

27th in xFIP

53rd in ERA-

9th in fWAR

[Laika]

So 3/27 is a mutual option? How can it be a Jay option if he can decline lol. If he’s healthy he’ll definitely decline you’d think and it’ll be the 2/21. Nice signing. I wouldn’t call him one of the best RP is baseball but he’s someone you can trust

 

Good lord you are simple

[The Cats Ass]

It’s ambiguous and if you’re a frequent reader, as I am since I don’t watch tv, you’d know online stuff is always filled with typos and things that don’t compute. So many times you have to bridge a gap. Sometimes you jump the gun

 

Since when is "Jays option on 24-27" ambiguous...

 

 

if you’re a frequent reader, as I am since I don’t watch tv, you’d know online stuff is always filled with typos and things that don’t compute.

 

I read this part and immediately pictured someone with a fedora and neck beard saying this.

[Brownie19]

It's about time the FO listened to my suggestions on this board. Fantastic signing. One of my favourite relivers in all of baseball.

[Captain_Obvious]

Since when is "Jays option on 24-27" ambiguous...

 

I saw this in multiple places now. Why 24-27 instead of 24-26?

[Krylian]

We are top 5 in payroll so money clearly isn't an issue for us. It's just that our front office doesn't believe in spending much on that area.

 

It's not payroll per se. It's that spending big $$$$ on relievers has never been proven to be a smart route to take.

[Jonn]

Chad Green has career 11.6 K/9 nearing 400 innings.

 

Fap worthy. And so foreign to most Blue Jays relievers. Swing and miss is King.

[Terminator]

I guess it plays out like this:

 

2023: Green gets $2.25m guaranteed.

 

After the season ends, the Jays get a team option for 3/27 that covers 2024-26.

 

If they decline that, then Green has a player option for 2024 at $6.25m.

 

If that's also declined, then the Jays get a 2/21 team option that covers 2024-25.

 

Pretty convoluted. I'd say the most likely scenario is the Jays turning down the 3/27 option and Green exercising the 2024 player option, but a lot will depend on how Green does in 2023, if he pitches at all. I would think a reliever would be more likely to contribute coming off TJS than a SP like Ryu, so it wouldn't shock me if he shows up in Aug/Sept.

 

If he comes back healthy, there's a lot of cat and mouse on these options and the Jays come out pretty well in all of them. 3/27M, 1/6.25M or 2/21M are all good terms for the Jays if he's healthy.

 

But I don't think he accepts the 1 for 6.25M unless he's hurt. That would be a steal for the Jays and perhaps their preferred outcome. If he declines he gets either 2 for 21M or he's a FA, both of which are better than 1 for 6.25M IMO.

[jerb]

 

Mark Feinsand

@Feinsand

 

Green has already passed his physical, per source.

[connorp]

Good lord you are simple

 

Listen I can appreciate you get nervous when I’m around because you’re used to being the smartest guy in the room, but no need for name calling

[The Cats Ass]

I saw this in multiple places now. Why 24-27 instead of 24-26?

 

I think that might be an error. They were probably thinking 3 years; 24 + 3 = 27. Should be 24-26.

[Jonn]

 

Mark Feinsand

@Feinsand

 

Green has already passed his physical, per source.

 

Interesting how a player passes a physical while injured lol.

[InsideThePark]

I can't really see a scenario where the Jays pick up the 2 year option instead of the 3 year option.

 

This. The ordering is quite strange. 27/3 is better for the Jays than 21/2 for a 32 year old reliever(his age when the option decisions happen). The only reason you'd accept 21/2 is if he's good and healthy. If he's good and healthy wouldn't you accept the 27/3 so it never gets to the 3rd option?

[connorp]

Interesting how a player passes a physical while injured lol.

 

Yeah, I’d imagine they wanted to make sure his elbow was at X place in the rehab process.. and anything else they may see that would cause red flag

[max silver]

We are top 5 in payroll so money clearly isn't an issue for us. It's just that our front office doesn't believe in spending much on that area.

 

If Green comes back in 2023 and immediately returns to full effectiveness the club will more than likely exercise the 3 year/$27 million option. Green will be paid more like an elite reliever in that scenario.

[Laika]

Interesting how a player passes a physical while injured lol.

 

Technically it just means Toronto waived the condition in the contract that lets them review medicals and spike the deal if they don't like them.

It doesn't mean he passed some health benchmark.