General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Frenchsoup]

Pricey guy making league minimum pretty much. Lefty power bats who can play LF ok are hard to find. Look how many good opportunitys Joey Gallo got.

[Frenchsoup]

I'd give up Manoah and Nate for him. LF solved. sign Ryu.

[Frenchsoup]

Still have Tidemann

[Frenchsoup]

Sign Ryu to a Maeda type contract

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/tigers-to-sign-kenta-maeda.html

[burlingtonbandit]

I think the only real argument against going for Ohtani is roster construction due to the luxury tax punishments. Teams with real money don't worry about the draft too much because they tend to be good teams and select lower down the draft. Moreover, the draft is a crapshoot and rarely do teams get big stars lower down the list.

 

So a big-budget team doesn't care about losing the 2nd and 5th-round pick for signing free agents. The Jays have one of the deepest-pocketed organizations in baseball. But they are run by suits - in the case of signing someone like Ohtani - it usually requires a Steve Cohen - A billionaire who is willing to way overspend because he wants what he wants. In order to land Ohtani - he has to turn down more money from the Mets or Dodgers I suspect to play in Toronto.

 

That's possible IF he simply likes Canada more than the USA. I certainly do but then it's different when you're a hundred millionaire. Canada has nice safety nets for the middle class - but the uber-wealthy don't need social safety nets like free medical. He can live in a massive mansion in Hollywood with big-boobed models on the beaches of California. Plus he already knows California. So, my question is - how do you sell him on the Blue Jays? The Mets are willing to have a $ 350 million payroll -- the Dodgers too probably. The Jays? We know they have the money - technically they CAN run that payroll but I doubt the suits would allow it. They have their "process" and rational reasoned calculations. Cohen doesn't - the beancounters might tell him player X is worth $20m and no more but he is willing to spend $40m to get him. A board of directors style management won't do that.

 

So that means Ohtani would have to take less to go to Toronto knowing the team won't likely continue spending to surround him with elite talent. Cohen can easily sign Ohtani AND Yamamoto AND Snell AND Bellinger AND trade for Trout AND sign HADER AND trade for SOTO. Wouldn't even be a blip on his bank balance. Sure the Mets stunk last year but you know as a player that the ownership is willing to spend idiotic money.

 

I think its far overblown the impact a city has on a players preference. More so its a thing a player's family would care about more than the player as they are the one that spends the time in the city. Outside of the 10 or so off-days a player has in the home city they wake up at like 10am, walk to the ballpark and then leave at 11-midnight barely even noticing what city they are in.

[Daniel Labude]

McNeil is signed to a very team friendly contract through 2026 with an AAV of $12.5M. Even after a down season, he still posted a 2.6 WAR. He's just one year removed from a 5.7 WAR season and he posted 4.9 WAR back in 2019. Only downside with McNeil is his age and he doesn't hit for much power. He kind of reminds me a bit of Justin Turner. Late bloomer and who could hit for a very high BA with 15-20 HR's in any given season offensively. He also fills the 2B void for the next three or four seasons as well.

 

Alonso is a proven power hitter and you know he's good for 3-4 WAR at least with 40 HR's. He's in a contract year as well, so he's definitely going to be motivated. Would be nice if the Jays could extend Alonso. Vlad on the other hand offers more upside and two years of control vs. one. However, Vladdy also could be a pumpkin again, and only produce 1.0 WAR. Plus he's going to get paid $18-20M each season through arbitration likely.

 

Manoah depends a lot on the relationship with the club and FO now. We really don't know how things are. If things are sour, Atkins isn't going to come out publicly and say it since that will impact the leverage the Jays have in trade. If Manoah and the Jays worked things out and he agrees to come into ST next year in better shape, a bounce back is definitely possible.

 

Overall, it's a tough call but I'm definitely leaning towards that offer if the Jays feel like Vladdy can't be fixed over the next year or two and if the relationship with Manoah has completely soured. Jays have a shorter window now, so you have to really emphasize the importance of the 2024 and 2025 seasons when you have guys like Bo still under club control and guys like Gausman still pitching in top form. Also, have to remember the Jays like will add around this trade as well, so this lineup could end up looking really good with other additions through FA and trade.

 

Can you imagine trading Vlad for a hitter who can barely hit .200 lmao

[max silver]

Can you imagine trading Vlad for a hitter who can barely hit .200 lmao

 

Imagine using only batting average as a means to evaluate overall player performance.

[Krylian]

Imagine using only batting average as a means to evaluate overall player performance.

 

Imagine all the people, Livin life in peace...

[Daniel Labude]

Imagine using only batting average as a means to evaluate overall player performance.

 

Shoot, I forgot you all can't read. Where do I say anything about overall player performance based on batting average?

[max silver]

Shoot, I forgot you all can't read. Where do I say anything about overall player performance based on batting average?

 

I can read just fine. It seems the issue may be that you have an incredibly short memory. You specifically complained about trading Vlad for a player who barely hit .200. There was literally no other substance in the post.

[Dick_Pole]

Max is the new Grant.

[max silver]

Max is the new Grant.

 

Dick is the new dick. Or the old dick. Or something.

 

Can't say I'm much like Grant though. For starters I don't have an unhealthy hatred of all things Boston so that immediately disqualifies me from that title.

[Olerud363]

Imagine using only batting average as a means to evaluate overall player performance.

 

The weird thing is as far as I can tell, other than the Guerrero thing LTBF is not Grant. Does not seem to be illogical in any other context.

 

Alonso can barely hit .200?

 

1. His worst batting average was .217, his life time batting average is .250

2. He is a slightly better lifetime hitter than Vlad, because he has way more power (.363 wOBA to .360 wOBA)

3. He is a better overall player than Vlad with 14 fWAR in 683 games compared to 10 fWAR in 660 games.

4. Next year they are projected to be about the same, Vlad maybe a bit better.

5. Vlad has 2 years left, Alonso 1.

 

Now they are about the same, 2 years is better than 1, so one for one, stupid trade obviously. Haven't really thought much about McNeil/Manoah, other than seems the board might think McNeil is too weak to do anything in his mid 30s (Jason Kenall for example).

 

But to say Alonso can barely hit .200 is really stupid. He hit 17 points above .200 with great power, at his absolute worst. He hit 50 points above .200 for 2500 at bats.

[JaysAllMighty]

Ohtani rumours deserves it own thread. Be Jays biggest acquisition since Roger Clemens

 

LOL, it's not happening Joe.

[Terminator]

[Ehjays]

[Eat My Shatkins]

 

Well, we have a huge gigantic hole at 3B and Alex Bregman might be available as a "rental".

[Jimcanuck]

Imagine all the people, Livin life in peace...

 

You watched the service for Rosalynn today?

[Terminator]

You watched the service for Rosalynn today?

 

Reported for politics

[Frenchsoup]

i'd love Bregman

[John_Havok]

Well, we have a huge gigantic hole at 3B and Alex Bregman might be available as a "rental".

 

The cost on Bregman would be significant for sure, but he would be an amazing get. I'd caution though that the rumours of his "availability" are probably way overblown. The rumours got started by some talking head saying that Houston is "listening on Bregman" simply because he's going into the last year of his current deal.

 

Not exactly a hot take, given that every team in baseball listens on virtually every player on their roster at some point between the end of a season and the start of the next one.

[connorp]

i'd love Bregman

 

Essentially the running theme is you have an affinity for guys that were good before you went to the clink. I used to have this issue in fantasy bb, holding on to guys too long

[Maine Jays]

Defensively, could Tatis handle third base? I know the Padres moved him to the outfield because of Xander, but if they're seriously looking to move $ off the books, he'd look real nice in a Jays uniform.

[Spanky99]

Essentially the running theme is you have an affinity for guys that were good before you went to the clink. I used to have this issue in fantasy bb, holding on to guys too long

 

3rd in the MLB at 3B, 33rd in the league, yeah he suxxxx, idiot.

[max silver]

Defensively, could Tatis handle third base? I know the Padres moved him to the outfield because of Xander, but if they're seriously looking to move $ off the books, he'd look real nice in a Jays uniform.

 

I don't think the Blue Jays would have the necessary trade assets available to acquire Tatis to start with.

[connorp]

3rd in the MLB at 3B, 33rd in the league, yeah he suxxxx, idiot.

 

What happened to the league where .260 avg, .800 OPS, and terrible base-running can still be so valuable at 3b.

[Spanky99]

What happened to the league where .260 avg, .800 OPS, and terrible base-running can still be so valuable at 3b.

 

What League, there's only one MLB? Idjiit!

[connorp]

What League, there's only one MLB? Idjiit!

 

Umm.. yeah?

[connorp]

Spanky, can you post that Forest Gump GIF “are you stupid or something” for me. I’d appreciate it

[Spanky99]

Spanky, can you post that Forest Gump GIF “are you stupid or something” for me. I’d appreciate it

 

I should post it for you, 33rd in the MLB, 3rd at his position.

 

Remember saying Altuve was garb a few years ago...