General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Terminator]

DeMarlo Hale is back with the Jays as a bench coach.

 

No word on if he was at the dinner with Ohtani and Kikuchi in Toronto.

 

I love how our manager sucks so bad that he needs multiple veteran bench coaches aka babysitters in order to do the job

[Jonn]

Goold from STL Today that brought up the Carlson/Manoah speculated trade, actually came from BNS... here's what he mentions in his article...

 

 

 

BNS article... https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/mapping-out-the-off-season-10-hypothetical-paths-ahead-for-the-blue-jays/

 

Nootbar or no trade. Carlson f***ing sucks.

[Ehjays]

Goold from STL Today that brought up the Carlson/Manoah speculated trade, actually came from BNS... here's what he mentions in his article...

 

 

 

BNS article... https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/mapping-out-the-off-season-10-hypothetical-paths-ahead-for-the-blue-jays/

 

I dont know, Im not too high on what Cards are willing to move. If you are dealing Manoah, Id sooner look towards the Reds and their abundance of infield options. They badly need pitching as well. I think we line up nicely with them.

[Spanky__99]

I dont know, Im not too high on what Cards are willing to move. If you are dealing Manoah, Id sooner look towards the Reds and their abundance of infield options. They badly need pitching as well. I think we line up nicely with them.

 

India?

[John_Havok]

I dont know, Im not too high on what Cards are willing to move. If you are dealing Manoah, Id sooner look towards the Reds and their abundance of infield options. They badly need pitching as well. I think we line up nicely with them.

 

This is true, but I really dislike the idea of trading Manoah right now unless it's a clear win in return. The rotation depth of the Jays right now is pretty thin. Sure they can roll out 1-4 with the best of the teams in baseball but past that it's Manoah, Tiedemann and Francis in house, and Van Eyk if you really squint and get desperate. Trading away from that already thin depth wouldn't be wise imo.

[Spanky__99]

Nootbar or no trade. Carlson f***ing sucks.

 

lol... Nootbar ain't happening, we went over this.

[Brownie19]

This is true, but I really dislike the idea of trading Manoah right now unless it's a clear win in return. The rotation depth of the Jays right now is pretty thin. Sure they can roll out 1-4 with the best of the teams in baseball but past that it's Manoah, Tiedemann and Francis in house, and Van Eyk if you really squint and get desperate. Trading away from that already thin depth wouldn't be wise imo.

 

I agree. The issue is we don't really have any other assets to trade unless it's our top prospects...

[Terminator]

Nootbar or no trade. Carlson f***ing sucks.

 

We won't get Nutrigrainbar but I agree that Carlson sucks. We could go sign someone for 8 mil that's just as good as him and then keep Manoah and we'd be far better off.

 

I'd be interested in other guys they have though, including Oneil and Edman/Donavan. I think there is something that could be worked out here.

[Spanky__99]

I agree. The issue is we don't really have any other assets to trade unless it's our top prospects...

 

We can also sign someone, for cheap on a 1 year deal. There's a ton of arm's available.

[Spanky__99]

We won't get Nutrigrainbar but I agree that Carlson sucks. We could go sign someone for 8 mil that's just as good as him and then keep Manoah and we'd be far better off.

 

I'd be interested in other guys they have though, including Oneil and Edman/Donavan. I think there is something that could be worked out here.

 

You could get back a spect along with Carlson, like Saggese or something. Donovan has 5 years of control, it'd take Manoah + to get him alone.

[connorp]

We can also sign someone, for cheap on a 1 year deal. There's a ton of arm's available.

 

Jays should just do like your Fantrax teams and list like 35 players nobody wants and hope someone is dumb enough to bite

[John_Havok]

I agree. The issue is we don't really have any other assets to trade unless it's our top prospects...

 

That is a problem yes. That's why I envision a very quiet offseason on the trade front.

 

They'll be a few FA signings but nothing exceptional and maybe a few stop gaps picked up.

 

Unless there's a blockbuster trade that nobody sees coming...

[Spanky__99]

Jays should just do like your Fantrax teams and list like 35 players nobody wants and hope someone is dumb enough to bite

 

Was looking at you through my rearview mirror in every league last season.

[glory]

That is a problem yes. That's why I envision a very quiet offseason on the trade front.

 

They'll be a few FA signings but nothing exceptional and maybe a few stop gaps picked up.

 

Unless there's a blockbuster trade that nobody sees coming...

 

Teams that are shedding payroll due the RSN issues might open up the trade market a bit (MIN, MIL, etc) but yeah the Jays really can't afford to trade top prospects unless they don't care about 2026-beyond and just go all in for the next two seasons, which doesn't jive with what Shapiro would typically do. I think there will be at least one trade since the free agent pool is so bad that they can't possibly get all their needs met through there (ex. left field, third base), but otherwise it will probably be more of the same as last winter where they went for the 1 year deals for players coming off down years (KK, Belt).

[Brownie19]

That is a problem yes. That's why I envision a very quiet offseason on the trade front.

 

They'll be a few FA signings but nothing exceptional and maybe a few stop gaps picked up.

 

Unless there's a blockbuster trade that nobody sees coming...

 

I mean - the other reason to move Manoah is that he's a f***ing loser and you can't let the lazy fat ass run the asylum. I do think there's a possibility they simply take what they can get for him this offseason because the relationship is broken (and/or because they think his value will only continue to plummet).

[Key22]

This is true, but I really dislike the idea of trading Manoah right now unless it's a clear win in return. The rotation depth of the Jays right now is pretty thin. Sure they can roll out 1-4 with the best of the teams in baseball but past that it's Manoah, Tiedemann and Francis in house, and Van Eyk if you really squint and get desperate. Trading away from that already thin depth wouldn't be wise imo.

 

If you trade a pitcher for a bat you can backfill the pitcher via free agency. No bats on the free agent market but tons of pitchers. Manoah is attractive in the sense that he is cheap so teams who can't land a Blake Snell or Yamamoto because they cost too much might like Manoah or even Kikuchi at $10m for one year.

 

Sign pitchers - trade for bats.

 

Some teams also don't want a long pitching contract - If Snell is going to land a 5-6 year deal - maybe we sign him - trade Bassit with 2 years left for a couple of bats.

[Joltin Joe]

I mean - the other reason to move Manoah is that he's a f***ing loser and you can't let the lazy fat ass run the asylum. I do think there's a possibility they simply take what they can get for him this offseason because the relationship is broken (and/or because they think his value will only continue to plummet).

 

Hopefully this past season knocks some sense in Manoah.

[glory]

In Passan’s new article he mentions that the Jays want to do “something big”. It was in reference to Ohtani and his potential market in free agency. Ohtani seems like a pipe dream, and doing something big in free agency in this year’s market is probably better on the pitching side. Unless that something big is Bellinger, which I wouldn’t be thrilled with but does seem far more likely than Ohtani.

[John_Havok]

In Passan’s new article he mentions that the Jays want to do “something big”. It was in reference to Ohtani and his potential market in free agency. Ohtani seems like a pipe dream, and doing something big in free agency in this year’s market is probably better on the pitching side. Unless that something big is Bellinger, which I wouldn’t be thrilled with but does seem far more likely than Ohtani.

 

The thing is, Ohtani fits so perfectly with the Jays needs both this year and beyond that it makes a ton of sense for Rogers to back up a dump truck full of cash on Ohtani's doorstep and dare him to say no

[John_Havok]

If you trade a pitcher for a bat you can backfill the pitcher via free agency. No bats on the free agent market but tons of pitchers. Manoah is attractive in the sense that he is cheap so teams who can't land a Blake Snell or Yamamoto because they cost too much might like Manoah or even Kikuchi at $10m for one year.

 

Sign pitchers - trade for bats.

 

Some teams also don't want a long pitching contract - If Snell is going to land a 5-6 year deal - maybe we sign him - trade Bassit with 2 years left for a couple of bats.

 

Generally true but, the Jays only need 1 ML arm, the depth they are looking for right now are guys that would sign minor league deals and come to ST to compete for the 5 spot. Trading Manoah doesn't really change that since Manoah is far from guaranteed to have the 5 spot locked down. Trading Manoah just means now you're still looking for a 4-5 and then multiple minor league deals.

 

It would make more sense to trade Kikuchi for a bat and then fill his spot with the free agent market given what's out there

[Laika]

In Passan’s new article he mentions that the Jays want to do “something big”. It was in reference to Ohtani and his potential market in free agency. Ohtani seems like a pipe dream, and doing something big in free agency in this year’s market is probably better on the pitching side. Unless that something big is Bellinger, which I wouldn’t be thrilled with but does seem far more likely than Ohtani.

 

Interesting.

 

"doing something big" this offseason probably involves a big trade.

[BTS]

Aside from Soto, even the trade market is dominated by SPs: Glasnow, Burnes, Cease, Bieber

[Jonn]

Something “Big” is highly subjective. My interpretation of Big would be signing Ohtani or trading for Soto.

[Stangstag]

Something “Big” is highly subjective. My interpretation of Big would be signing Ohtani or trading for Soto.

 

That’s pretty fair to say. Luis Robert fits the bill too. Or something like signing Yamamoto

[connorp]

Sox went on record as saying he’s totally off limits- Robert- everyone else in play

[connorp]

Of course if you blow a team away, they’d consider but seems that’s what it would take.

[connorp]

If Ohtani can’t get $500m, he could probably get 3/150 with player opt outs after each year. Word is he’s open to it

[Laika]

Would this count as a "big" set of moves?

 

1. Sign Shota Imanaga

1. Sign Jung Hoo Lee

2. Trade Manoah for Jonathan India+

[Stangstag]

Sox went on record as saying he’s totally off limits- Robert- everyone else in play

 

I don’t think that’s true? Last I had heard is they weren’t actively shopping him, but entertaining offers and it would have to be a big package.

[Dick_Pole]

People operating in here like the other 29 GMs aren't aware of the relative abundance of pitchers available to hitters right now. "Just trade a pitcher for a position player and backfill pitching through FA" isn't a strategy that's going to work. Except with a small handful of teams that badly need 3-4 pitchers (and it's debatable whether those teams will go the tank route instead) or some time right before spring training where most players are signed and it becomes more obvious that holes need to be filled through trades.

 

Just like the Stroman trade, just like Varsho trade, Atkins is running his beacon of intentions at full blast. Just waiting for the league to fleece him. This is the difference between a guy like him and AA. AA was always out there hustling and kicking the tires, so you never really knew what he was going to do or what his intentions are.