General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Terminator]

Really no interest at all in Belt again

 

Don't need a guy who strains his back 4x per year then takes a week every time to find his swing and is just a coinflip to be healthy and helpful come crunch time.

 

Yeah he's running on fumes. That was a nifty signing but I wouldn't roll the dice on him.

[Orgfiller]

I feel like the most likely of the FAs to come back (of the ones anyone actually cares about anyway) might actually be Chapman? He was dogshit with the bat from April onwards, but on the whole his numbers over the season are basically identical to last year's. Everyone keeps saying "he's not the defender he was once", which is probably true, but by every metric available he was actually a better defender this season than the last. His avg EV was excellent (98th percentile), barrel rate and hard hit rate were elite (98th and 100th!! percentile respectively), he didn't chase much, and both his sprint speed and baserunning value were once again good.

 

Maybe you hope he takes the QO, or try to offer him a 1/20-22 pillow deal, where he'll spend all offseason getting rid of the ******** opposite field approach and come into Spring launching bombs to the pull side, with some regression happening during the season, to once again put up yet another 3-4 win season. There's basically no reason to believe Chapman will be a < 3 win player in 2024, his mean is exactly that of 2022-2023, which were practically the exact same season on the aggregate.

[Terminator]

I'd love to have Chapman back. I suppose there is a chance.

 

I think KK has a chance to come back because he'll likely be cheap again. I'm going to get attacked by many posters for even suggesting it because everybody has us signing solely offensive position players this offseason but I could see it happening.

[BatFlip]

I feel like the most likely of the FAs to come back (of the ones anyone actually cares about anyway) might actually be Chapman? He was dogshit with the bat from April onwards, but on the whole his numbers over the season are basically identical to last year's. Everyone keeps saying "he's not the defender he was once", which is probably true, but by every metric available he was actually a better defender this season than the last. His avg EV was excellent (98th percentile), barrel rate and hard hit rate were elite (98th and 100th!! percentile respectively), he didn't chase much, and both his sprint speed and baserunning value were once again good.

 

Maybe you hope he takes the QO, or try to offer him a 1/20-22 pillow deal, where he'll spend all offseason getting rid of the ******** opposite field approach and come into Spring launching bombs to the pull side, with some regression happening during the season, to once again put up yet another 3-4 win season. There's basically no reason to believe Chapman will be a < 3 win player in 2024, his mean is exactly that of 2022-2023, which were practically the exact same season on the aggregate.

 

 

Interesting - I do wonder if there is a chance he takes the QO. What does he get on a one year pillow deal in the current market given the compensatory draft pick? Maybe around or just over the QO?

 

If he wants to bet on himself, accepting the QO may simply depend upon whether he's happy in Toronto.

[L54]

Chapman accepting the QO would be a great

[Omar]

Interesting - I do wonder if there is a chance he takes the QO. What does he get on a one year pillow deal in the current market given the compensatory draft pick? Maybe around or just over the QO?

 

If he wants to bet on himself, accepting the QO may simply depend upon whether he's happy in Toronto.

 

Boras doesn't let his guys go the QO way.

[Laika]

Boras doesn't let his guys go the QO way.

 

If his market doesn't develop it might be his only decent option.

[Omar]

If his market doesn't develop it might be his only decent option.

 

The Yankees are licking their chops at the thought of Chapman playing third base and giving them .600 ops. for 4/$85M

[Laika]

I feel like the most likely of the FAs to come back (of the ones anyone actually cares about anyway) might actually be Chapman? He was dogshit with the bat from April onwards, but on the whole his numbers over the season are basically identical to last year's. Everyone keeps saying "he's not the defender he was once", which is probably true, but by every metric available he was actually a better defender this season than the last. His avg EV was excellent (98th percentile), barrel rate and hard hit rate were elite (98th and 100th!! percentile respectively), he didn't chase much, and both his sprint speed and baserunning value were once again good.

 

Maybe you hope he takes the QO, or try to offer him a 1/20-22 pillow deal, where he'll spend all offseason getting rid of the ******** opposite field approach and come into Spring launching bombs to the pull side, with some regression happening during the season, to once again put up yet another 3-4 win season. There's basically no reason to believe Chapman will be a < 3 win player in 2024, his mean is exactly that of 2022-2023, which were practically the exact same season on the aggregate.

 

I am so f***ing mad at the world reading these stats.

 

Matt Chapman had like 10 HR stolen from him this year due to some combination of bad luck and an approach that doesn't maximize home runs. Maybe more than 10 HR. His spray chart on statcast has multiple blue "double" dots that are well over the average MLB of fence, lmao.

 

100th percentile hard hit rate with 98th percentile barrel rate and 98th percentile MaxEv equaling 17 HR in 581 PA is nothing but a constant bicycle kick in the nuts

 

Can they uhhhhhhh lower the outfield walls a bit? They turned RC into Kauffman Stadium

[Spanky99]

I'd love to have Chapman back. I suppose there is a chance.

 

I think KK has a chance to come back because he'll likely be cheap again. I'm going to get attacked by many posters for even suggesting it because everybody has us signing solely offensive position players this offseason but I could see it happening.

 

lol...

[John_Havok]

If his market doesn't develop it might be his only decent option.

 

His market won't develop near fast enough for him to truly weigh them against a QO. QO decisions come really early in the offseason

[hanton]

from Votto's mouth....

 

if the Reds do not exercise his option he will test the market. SIGN HIM

[Stangstag]

I'd love to have Chapman back. I suppose there is a chance.

 

I think KK has a chance to come back because he'll likely be cheap again. I'm going to get attacked by many posters for even suggesting it because everybody has us signing solely offensive position players this offseason but I could see it happening.

 

0 chance KK comes back

[Spanky99]

His market won't develop near fast enough for him to truly weigh them against a QO. QO decisions come really early in the offseason

 

They have to be, 10 days.

[Spanky99]

from Votto's mouth....

 

if the Reds do not exercise his option he will test the market. SIGN HIM

 

OBP. Beastly power, sign me up.

[Laika]

God no. I'd rather bring Belt back.

[hanton]

God no. I'd rather bring Belt back.

 

Votto would have to show he's fully healthy

[Jays24]

40 year old Votto isn't the solution to anything

[Laika]

Votto would have to show he's fully healthy

 

He's 40. He will never be fully healthy again

[hanton]

He's 40. He will never be fully healthy again

 

Could be right but options are limited, if they can get him on the cheap, mentor Vlady, low risk signing

[Daniel Labude]

from Votto's mouth....

 

if the Reds do not exercise his option he will test the market. SIGN HIM

 

We could always use another ball boy, so that works

[Laika]

Could be right but options are limited, if they can get him on the cheap, mentor Vlady, low risk signing

 

Mentor Vlad, lol. They would probably never talk.

 

That's like asking KD Lang to mentor Lizzo

[Jonn]

I would be fine with Votto being a pinch hitter off the bench and starting occasionally but he would not be a big part of the plan.

 

He looks like he can be serviceable for cheap.

 

Not a bad veteran hitter to have on your bench. Plus he's one of the best Canadian Baseball players to ever play so it would be cool to see him finish his career here. It's a logical fit.

[hanton]

Mentor Vlad, lol. They would probably never talk.

 

That's like asking KD Lang to mentor Lizzo

 

KD Lang? that's your analogy lmfao

[Ehjays]

Vladdy pick off was through Pitch com

 

[hanton]

Vladdy pick off was through Pitch com

 

 

Yes. He had no chance

[Omar]

He's 40. He will never be fully healthy again

 

It will also turn the season into the Canadian homecoming sideshow. I can see the saccharine Sportsnet videos of him and Hazel now: "So, since you from East York, do you like Tim Hortons?"

 

f*** off with that side show s***.

[hanton]

It will also turn the season into the Canadian homecoming sideshow. I can see the saccharine Sportsnet videos of him and Hazel now: "So, since you from East York, do you like Tim Hortons?"

 

f*** off with that side show s***.

 

Maybe they come up with a new jingle and slogan around his return wouldn't that be fun

 

The sideshow part of it will wear off after the first few weeks anyway. Options are limited, it's basically a few impact FA's - Soler, JDM, Belli, Teo, LGJ and a few others and then it's the trade route and relying on unproven Barger/Martinez/Horwitz. Luckily the pitching staff is set.

[Spanky99]

Vladdy pick off was through Pitch com

 

 

Baseball minds.

[John_Havok]

Yes. He had no chance

 

To relay it to the bench, and have the bench relay to the catcher then to the pitcher through pitch comm in well under 20 seconds is pretty cool