General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)

[Laika]

If Kyle Gibson dominates Toronto tonight and/or Bassitt sucks, I will be very upset for one whole day

[Stangstag]

I love how people are assuming the other player is Vlad because LTBF posted it, haha (even though Vlad hasn’t done much of anything since the middle of April)

 

Lol yup im surprised it isn’t. Still doesn’t make sense trying to downplay Bo though

[Stangstag]

If Kyle Gibson dominates Toronto tonight and/or Bassitt sucks, I will be very upset for one whole day

 

Its ok just Ryu pitching tomorrow

[Brownie19]

It's kind of sad how Miggy just fell off a cliff at age 34. He's been useless for 7+ years now.

[bluejaysinternNo5]

It's kind of sad how Miggy just fell off a cliff at age 34. He's been useless for 7+ years now.

 

A glimpse into Vlad’s future, perhaps?

[Laika]

A glimpse into Vlad’s future, perhaps?

 

what do you mean, future?

 

vlad fell off a cliff at 24!

[tossingthiscoin]

Vladdy is slowly approaching 0.0 FWAR.

[Daniel Labude]

Position matters dumbass.

 

Also the season isn’t 2 months long, and Bo’s numbers absolutely blow Vlad’s out of the water for April/May.

 

And nobody said anything about 400million for Bo.

 

Get your head out of your ass

 

Its funny if you think about it. Take out the first 2 months this year and the last 2 months of 2022...Bo is a replacement hitter and a terrible SS over 6 months of games (full season, 105 wRC+ last season 4 months and 108 wRC+ last 2 months this season). Could replace him with Orelvis or Barger easily lmao

 

But nobody says a word though...interesting

[bluejaysinternNo5]

Its funny if you think about it. Take out the first 2 months this year and the last 2 months of 2022...Bo is a replacement hitter and a terrible SS over 6 months of games (full season, 105 wRC+ last season 4 months and 108 wRC+ last 2 months this season). Could replace him with Orelvis or Barger easily lmao

 

But nobody says a word though...interesting

 

I really don't think you can count on Orelvis of Barger producing 15 WAR in 2200 PA lol

[The Cats Ass]

Its funny if you think about it. Take out the first 2 months this year and the last 2 months of 2022...Bo is a replacement hitter and a terrible SS over 6 months of games (full season, 105 wRC+ last season 4 months and 108 wRC+ last 2 months this season). Could replace him with Orelvis or Barger easily lmao

 

But nobody says a word though...interesting

 

131 wRC+ for July.

 

133 wRC+ for the season. Which leads all SS.

 

Since 1st of May 2022, Bichette is tied for 3rd in WAR for SS and 2nd in wRC+. If Orelvis and Barger can replace that easily we'll have one hell of an infield next year.

Edited July 31, 2023 by The Cats Ass

[Daniel Labude]

131 wRC+ for July.

 

133 wRC+ for the season. Which leads all SS.

 

Since 1st of May 2022, Bichette is tied for 3rd in WAR for SS and 2nd in wRC+. If Orelvis and Barger can replace that easily we'll have one hell of an infield next year.

 

Before the last 6 games it was 91...so lmao. Still not a peep...shocking

[Brownie19]

I'm on mobile 99.8% of the time where thanks aren't a thing. I don't think I have ever even opened this website on my home computer lol. Maybe my work one.

 

I can thank posts off my phone. I just log in through Chrome though, which probably isn't ideal/typical.

[The Cats Ass]

Before the last 6 games it was 91...so lmao. Still not a peep...shocking

 

And before the 5 games before that it was 142?

[metafour]

Its funny if you think about it. Take out the first 2 months this year and the last 2 months of 2022...Bo is a replacement hitter and a terrible SS over 6 months of games (full season, 105 wRC+ last season 4 months and 108 wRC+ last 2 months this season). Could replace him with Orelvis or Barger easily lmao

 

But nobody says a word though...interesting

 

This has to be an all-time worst take.

 

Bo Bichette is a career 128 wRC+ hitter over 498 games played. Are you seriously trying to pick through selective sample sizes to find what you want to see?

 

He is a Top 5 hitter at his position since 2019. That's a pretty long-ass sample size.

[The Cats Ass]

This has to be an all-time worst take.

 

Bo Bichette is a career 128 wRC+ hitter over 498 games played. Are you seriously trying to pick through selective sample sizes to find what you want to see?

 

He is a Top 5 hitter at his position since 2019. That's a pretty long-ass sample size.

 

Who cares about those 498 games though. He went 0 for 18 at one point this past month, we should probably move him as a salary dump.

[Daniel Labude]

This has to be an all-time worst take.

 

Bo Bichette is a career 128 wRC+ hitter over 498 games played. Are you seriously trying to pick through selective sample sizes to find what you want to see?

 

He is a Top 5 hitter at his position since 2019. That's a pretty long-ass sample size.

 

So 2019 until now

 

Vlad 20th in baseball in wRC+ 5th at 1B

Bo 30th in baseball in wRC+ Top 5 SS (according to metafour)

 

Since Vlad moved to 1B (2020)

 

Vlad is 14th in baseball in wRC+ 3rd at 1B

Bo is 32nd in baseball in wRC+ 3rd at SS

 

Sample sizes matter you are 100%. I completely agree

But they make for a good troll and putting numbers into context. Thanks for partaking even if this wasn't my goal lol

 

(Just thought it was funny Bo was being crushed by Miggy over 2 months when Miggy is retiring and Bo can't do no wrong lol)

[Omar]

Its funny if you think about it. Take out the first 2 months this year and the last 2 months of 2022...Bo is a replacement hitter and a terrible SS over 6 months of games (full season, 105 wRC+ last season 4 months and 108 wRC+ last 2 months this season). Could replace him with Orelvis or Barger easily lmao

 

But nobody says a word though...interesting

 

I know you hate Bo but…please stop.

[JaysAllMighty]

We need someone to step up and make the GDT for tonight.

[Daniel Labude]

I know you hate Bo but…please stop.

 

[Omar]

We need someone to step up and make the GDT for tonight.

 

I’m working late so I’m out. Also I don’t want to be blamed if the O’s rake tonight.

 

I nominate Gsnarls…the hero we need right now.

[Spanky99]

And what has player A, Bichette, done the rest of the year? Oh, just be a 3+ win player with 60 games to go. I wonder why people think he's good.

 

lol... this dude is cray-cray.

[Spanky99]

131 wRC+ for July.

 

133 wRC+ for the season. Which leads all SS.

 

Since 1st of May 2022, Bichette is tied for 3rd in WAR for SS and 2nd in wRC+. If Orelvis and Barger can replace that easily we'll have one hell of an infield next year.

 

lmfao... dude's crazy, man and trolling.

[Jonn]

I can thank posts off my phone. I just log in through Chrome though, which probably isn't ideal/typical.

 

I log in through Safari but theirs a default mobile mode. I can switch it regular but it looks f***ing weird. I haven’t seen any thanks button on mobile. I didn’t even know it existed for years lol.

[Spanky99]

I log in through Safari but theirs a default mobile mode. I can switch it regular but it looks f***ing weird. I haven’t seen any thanks button on mobile. I didn’t even know it existed for years lol.

 

https://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com/threads/10602-General-Blue-Jays-Discussion-Thread-(2023)?p=1723956&viewfull=1#post1723956

[Terminator]

 

Not much to glean from that but it does sound a little ominious.

[bones10]

Vlad and springer get hot and carry the team for 2 months please

[JFD]

Captain Kirk hot streak is the only thing that can save this team

[G-Snarls]

Vlad and springer get hot and carry the team for 2 months please

 

That's exactly what they need

[Olerud363]

I know you hate Bo butÂ…please stop.

 

He doesn't hate Bo, he is just irrationally attached to Vlad and is sad that Vlad is a replacement player now so is cherry picking worse than Grant.

 

Basically according to fangraphs Vlad is a 131 wRC+ and Bo 129 wRC+ career. Vlad is slightly better as a hitter but not much.

 

However Bo is better at everything else. Bo is a slightly positive defender (not a great short stop) but Vlad is (according to fangraphs) one of the worst defensive players in the game.

 

He's sad that there is a realistic path to Vlad getting released (if Vlad played as he is now for 8 more months he would be released winter 2025 because his 25 million dollar plus salary is too much for a replacement player).

 

Instead of just saying 'Vlad will not continue to be a replacement player rest of 2023 and 2024', which is a fair prediction, he's perversely cherry picking the past and trying to show he isn't a replacement player 2023 (which is unfair, he is worse than Noda and Tristan Casas).

 

So you can't just throw Barger or Martinez in for Bo... Bo is a 5 WAR guy, and they might be 1 WAR right now. You could throw Tristan Casas or Ryan Noda in for 2023 Vlad (they are 1 WAR guys while Vlad is 0.4 WAR).

[Daniel Labude]

Who cares about those 498 games though. He went 0 for 18 at one point this past month, we should probably move him as a salary dump.

 

He doesn't hate Bo, he is just irrationally attached to Vlad and is sad that Vlad is a replacement player now so is cherry picking worse than Grant.

 

Basically according to fangraphs Vlad is a 131 wRC+ and Bo 129 wRC+ career. Vlad is slightly better as a hitter but not much.

 

However Bo is better at everything else. Bo is a slightly positive defender (not a great short stop) but Vlad is (according to fangraphs) one of the worst defensive players in the game.

 

He's sad that there is a realistic path to Vlad getting released (if Vlad played as he is now for 8 more months he would be released winter 2025 because his 25 million dollar plus salary is too much for a replacement player).

 

Instead of just saying 'Vlad will not continue to be a replacement player rest of 2023 and 2024', which is a fair prediction, he's perversely cherry picking the past and trying to show he isn't a replacement player 2023 (which is unfair, he is worse than Noda and Tristan Casas).

 

So you can't just throw Barger or Martinez in for Bo... Bo is a 5 WAR guy, and they might be 1 WAR right now. You could throw Tristan Casas or Ryan Noda in for 2023 Vlad (they are 1 WAR guys while Vlad is 0.4 WAR).